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He's there! I never knew and thank god he's coming home!!
Be Safe Karim & family & I wuv YA!
everything will be just fine! xx
Geez... I can't believe this thread has veered way of course. I totally thought Dima was being sarcastic with his crazy statement. You can't come to that conclusion, including selective quotes and articles from here and there. That's as stupid as just because Howard Stern is and calls himself "The King of all Media", you can't take that and conclude that Jews control the media. It's just as rediculous. I don't care to read any more examples, we're in a new century now.
The UN is keeping its distance for many reasons. They are a united front. The countries the UN represents have mixed feelings in this situation. Many arab states for the first time are siding with Israel (by not siding with with Hezbollah, or if you just prefer, not siding with Hezbollah).
It is very lucid worldwide, that Hezbollah started this war, and started with very obvious intention to escalate this to where it is now. The world has seen what happened when Hamas was behind the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit, for the purpose of extorting Israel for the return of thousands of prisoners. Hezbollah saw this as their opportunity. So they did the same, and there you have it. They did this upon themselves, fully intentionally. Unfortunately their plan is backfiring, and are not getting the sympathy nor support of the world they were hoping for. I've been to southern Lebanon, and saw the control they have over its people. The Lebanese army has virtually no presence in southern Lebanon, it's all Hezbollah, and they pledge for the total destruction of Israel. It's a religious army, "Army of God" is what Hezbollah means, and Jews are their enemy no matter what.
The Lebanese army are not helping Hezbollah at all. They don't like them either.
No peaceful army or militia that is part of a country's government, goes into another country, kidnaps and holds him/her prisoner for extortion (soldiers or not).
I feel for for all my Lebanese friends and family in the middle east. My heart goes to all of them, and hope this confrontation ends soon, for all of mankind's sake.
^ great post 
BTW...awesome shirt lol...
I think the intention of this thread was for us to gain perspective on how the people from Lebanon as well as Karim are feeling at this moment (i.e. the evacuation, the fighting, etc.).
I am aware that people are untitled to their opinions and views about the situation going on over there. But after reading most of the posts in this thread, I (and the other TAs who may have the same sentiment) think that all this verbal sparring about politics/war should be posted on another thread.
We should if anything use this thread to let Karim, and the many innocent people in Lebanon know that our thoughts and prayers are with them. My heart does go to all those living in fear and suffering in Lebanon.
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Wow to this thread...just WOW. I'm not even going to comment on most of what's been said. Those of you who know me well already know what I'm thinking.
In regards to Karim...thanks for the update Lars. I'm glad to hear that him and his father got out of there safely. I bet Katy was extremely worried.
Glad they are safe and sound..
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I cry...esp. for the children...
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since this the Karim thread, I'll throw in that of all the characters on TA Karim always struck me as the most witty...i looked forward to his post party vids, his comments...and he was strangely appraochable (due to his height) very nice guy...he was a great addition to TA and a sudden loss.
All the best dude, stay safe in a crazy place.
Holy fuck!
Get back safe Karim!!!
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer oh fuck off.Stop kissing Israels ass for once and look at what they are doing to these people. |
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ok, so Karim is back in Toronto and safe and sound?
this is Great!
thank god!
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Hezbollah are to blame for the condition of the Lebanese people. They are responsible for launching a military offensive against the Israeli people by the kidnapping of the Jewish soldiers and later by the rocket attacks on Haifa. Ultimately, they are fighting a proxy war against the Jewish state on behalf of the more nefarious powers in the Middle East, specifically Iran and Syria. Unfortunately while these two countries sit back and arm groups like Hezbollah on their state sponsored terrorism budget, it is the Lebanese people who have to pay the real costs of War. At some point you have to wonder why it is that the Lebanese people continue to support these terrorists when all get in return is bloodshed and the destruction of their homeland.
Yet Hezbollah are seen as the hero's, and this conflict serves as a recruiting campaign for their fruitless cause. When will the stupid people who support this group learn that violence will not achieve sustainable peace? How many years will it take before it dawns on them at the Jewish state will never capitulate, that those people will never back down to aggression ? Furthermore, when will innocent people finally question the methods of these 'resistance fighters' before they come out into the streets and say, enough! � �There must be another way. We�ve tried fighting for 20 years, all we�ve got in return is despair�it�s time to renounce violence starting with the widespread support of groups like Hezbollah, and seek another solution. If we�re going to keep dying like we have, let�s go out onto the street, and stand before the world without any weapons and see if Israel has the stomach to bomb a �truly� passive enemy, and if the world will continue to watch as we are slaughtered. �
Passive resistance has lead to the emancipation of states much larger then Lebanon and Palestine, but in order for it to work; you need leaders who desire peace�not the blood of the enemy.
It's sad to watch tensions escalate again in the Middle East. It seems the cyclical pattern of conflict is never ending in that region. While the blame can not be one sided, the approach of reacting to oppression by violence and aggression seems to be a standard of extremists. I don't want to point to the religion as the chief cause, but when you have certain fanatical states like Iran denying the existence of Israel, and organizations like Hezbollah who have made it a mandate to exterminate Zionist presence in the region then you have to wonder whether religion is being perverted to serve a military objective.
The Israeli�s have pinned themselves into a no win situation. If they stop the offensive, they will be perceived as weak. It will undoubtedly bolster the resolve of extremists groups in the region and there will be a new wave of attacks on the state. Continuing to wage a military campaign against a city where Hezbollah is entrenched deeply on the other hand results in civilian collateral damage, and reduces their support within the International community. Israel are faced with a state within a state. Lebanon has an army, but within the country Hezbollah operates with impunity, and with widespread public and government support. Israel has called upon the Lebanese forces to form a buffer between their border to ensure no future reprisals and abductions of their soliders. The truth on the ground however is that the Lebanese army has been reluctant to act, and instead of a state presence, you have Hezbollah fighters launching shells against garrison towns in Israel. Instead of neutralizing the threat of war, Hezbollah has brought the war to their front doorstep. Instead of turning over the abducted soliders, Hezbollah has demanded a release of prisoners, a demand that NO government in the world would/should accept.
Israel have made their own share of mistakes...instead of a proportionate reponse they have targetted civilian infrastructure. I can't imagine that Israel wasn't aware that bombing civilian targets wouldn't result in the loss of innocent lives, but given the political implications of a weak response within a newly formed government, I guess the Israeli feel justified because the see it as a counter offensive launched against the rocket attacks by Hezbollah. Personally, I think Israel have to scale back their destruction of Bierut via airstrikes, but given the other option is a land incursion, it seems both sides have reached a stalemate with neither looking towards declaring a cease fire. Israels objective is clear: the complete disarmament of Hezbollah. That can now only be achieved via land based missions, which seem imminent.
As the world questions the proportionaily of Israels response, it is the suffering people of Lebanon who have the power to call upon Hezbollah to lay down their arms and declare a truce to avoid a full scale war. Their voices will better reach the ears of their own fighters...their voice is louder then the collective plee of a million man peace march held in Toronto, because theirs is the voice of anguish and suffering. They are feeling the tanglible losses of war...we (the rest of the world) are only watching and hearing about it on the news.
With their promise to keep fighting though, it seems Hezbollah would not be willing to hear them, even if such a call to disarm was made. Afterall, whether they win or lose the fight, extremist groups like Hezbollah continue to gain support by putting their civilian population at risk, and turning Beirut into a battlefield. More men sign up for the 'cause', and the next wave of martyrs prepares to fight to same, pointless fight. So, as the region enters a truly desperate period in which military commanders have put their own objectives above the growing humanitarian crisis, perhaps it is the power of the ordinary defenseless citizens caught in the crossfire, and his/her voice which will prevail over the thunder of the rockets and bombs, in finally bringing an end to the destruction.
I sincerely hope that the innocents on both sides escape with what�s left of their shattered lives and find the strength to question why, the more extreme elements amongst their own people constantly look towards a path of violence�
When history has proved time and again, that violence only begets violence.
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