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Originally posted by pvdAngel OK then. I want to know why neither the Earth nor the stars are shown in the background of any of the shots.

In the first place, Earth need not be in the picture at all. It is out there. It just did not get captured in this shot. The sun's out there right ? Do you see it in the picuture ? So does that mean it's not there ??

The reason you don't see any stars:

All pictures taken by the astronauts on the moon were shot during the daytime, in glaring sunlight. Because there is no atmosphere on the moon, sunlight is reflected here more intensely than on earth. Therefore, the astronaut's cameras had to be adjusted so that the objects photographed would not be totally over-exposed. The aperture was at a minimum, the exposure time extremely short. There was not enough time for the dim light of the stars to leave a trace on the film. Should anybody take a photo on earth in the black of night using the same camera settings as the astronauts, the results would be equal: no stars.

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Originally posted by pvdAngel OK then. I want to know why neither the Earth nor the stars are shown in the background of any of the shots. A 'rocket' landing in this moon is more believable.

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Originally posted by Omega_M In the first place, Earth need not be in the picture at all. It is out there. It just did not get captured in this shot. The sun's out there right ? Do you see it in the picuture ? So does that mean it's not there ?? The reason you don't see any stars: All pictures taken by the astronauts on the moon were shot during the daytime, in glaring sunlight. Because there is no atmosphere on the moon, sunlight is reflected here more intensely than on earth. Therefore, the astronaut's cameras had to be adjusted so that the objects photographed would not be totally over-exposed. The aperture was at a minimum, the exposure time extremely short. There was not enough time for the dim light of the stars to leave a trace on the film. Should anybody take a photo on earth in the black of night using the same camera settings as the astronauts, the results would be equal: no stars.

owned.

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Originally posted by Lira A few (if not all) individuals need irrational beliefs (to some degree), in order to satisfy some fear and or finitude of existence: superstition, religion, conspiracy theory... it's all the same.

nah, i dont buy that. and Enlightenment thinkers would be turning over in their grave to hear you utter such words
its simply easier to read a few lines on a nutcase website than it is to do your own thinking and research on the subject. belief is there to fill the void created by ignorance.

for instance:

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Originally posted by pvdAngel OK then. I want to know why neither the Earth nor the stars are shown in the background of any of the shots.

see, it sounds like a legitimate question, doesnt it? but Omega_M's reply merely highlights the fact that pvdAngel doesnt know what the fuck theyre talking about. as if nobody would notice the lack of stars but this hotshot detective finally worked it out 40 years later.

it just gets tired watching these spotty-faced highschool students parading their stupidity for all to see, just coz they found some weird website that they dont have the knowledge to critique in the first place. (not directed at anyone in particular before any of you babies start crying).

rule #1- if youre gonna fly in the face of accepted history and science, have a fucking clue what youre on about. indeed, be a fucking expert on the subject. the amount of work and effort put into landing on the moon would have been ridiculous, yet these armchair QBs sit there and have it all debunked after 5 minutes on www.ihavenofuckingidea.com

if these clowns were people of note during the Enlightenment we'd all still be ruled by monarchs and superstition.

dude like...rockets still blow up and yet almost 40 years ago they flew the first perfect mission?

Im not yet sure what I believe on this toipic but I do find it curious that American mission to the moon stopped soon after the Soviets acquired the abaility to view the moon's surface telescopically

(simply repeating so if im wrong, give me a rational cockslapping to make yourself feel better!)

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Originally posted by Orbax dude like...rockets still blow up and yet almost 40 years ago they flew the first perfect mission?

cars still crash yet 40 years ago there was someone who was never in a automobile accident. your point?

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Originally posted by Orbax dude like...rockets still blow up and yet almost 40 years ago they flew the first perfect mission?

a perfect example of a non-expert providing no coherent analysis whatsoever, devoid of meaning or substance. thanks for proving my point.

so like, what exactly was sent into space and tracked by the world's satellite dishes?

oh, and it wasnt the first mission either. there were several rockets sent up by the USSR & US before the actual moon landing.

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Originally posted by Orbax dude like...rockets still blow up and yet almost 40 years ago they flew the first perfect mission?

I wonder what the stats are on failed rocket launchs ..... I bet they are fairly slim!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN nah, i dont buy that. and Enlightenment thinkers would be turning over in their grave to hear you utter such words its simply easier to read a few lines on a nutcase website than it is to do your own thinking and research on the subject. belief is there to fill the void created by ignorance.

Exactly, and this is what I'm saying and, as a matter of fact, I'm not the only one saying this.

Edgar Morin once said that "The ideas we have are capable of having us", and this is sadly true. This is where extremism comes from. In fact, this so-called belief can easily be combined with most (if not all) other -isms: that's the birth of blind Vegetarianism, Christianism, Atheism, Marxism, Racism, Existentialism and so on. Unfortunately, you can't help having people crave for an ideology/belief. I find Camus' ideas on philosophical suicide quite interesting, and it concerns this issue.

It's a philosophical suicide really, and that's why you sometimes witness irrational acceptance or refusal of a proposition. Emotions play an important role in our life. If we're physically threatened, we feel fear (and find ourselves in a fight or flight situation, be it physically or mentally). Now, if you have an emotional need for a belief - if finding out the truth is painful to you for some reason, and this belief is threatened, you feel a similar fear.

There was this bus driver I knew that could accept the fact that the men landed on the moon because that would go against God's will, according to him. He needed that protection... "God" knows why

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN see, it sounds like a legitimate question, doesnt it? but Omega_M's reply merely highlights the fact that pvdAngel doesnt know what the fuck theyre talking about. as if nobody would notice the lack of stars but this hotshot detective finally worked it out 40 years later. it just gets tired watching these spotty-faced highschool students parading their stupidity for all to see, just coz they found some weird website that they dont have the knowledge to critique in the first place. (not directed at anyone in particular before any of you babies start crying).

I, once again, agree with you.

That's why I'd like to have the right not to vote (here in Brazil voting is compulsory). I've never meet the governor, I don't know anything about politics in general - unless you're a political scientist, deeply involved in the process, or someone who actually does as much research as possible by yourself, how the hell do you think you're competent to talk about politics? That's the most dangerous thing about doxa/"opinion" I can see.

People sometimes think they should have an opinion a priori, which often leads to pure non-sense, as you've explained here:

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN rule #1- if youre gonna fly in the face of accepted history and science, have a fucking clue what youre on about. indeed, be a fucking expert on the subject. the amount of work and effort put into landing on the moon would have been ridiculous, yet these armchair QBs sit there and have it all debunked after 5 minutes on www.ihavenofuckingidea.com

There are countless other examples we can find. I know that, being into linguistics, I've heard several absurd theories and prejudices.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN if these clowns were people of note during the Enlightenment we'd all still be ruled by monarchs and superstition.

I wouldn't be this optimistic about having defeated "monarchs" and "superstition" as rulers.

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Originally posted by tribu give me a rational cockslapping to make yourself feel better!)

ok so its cool to post bullshit but "cockslapping" to give rational answers.

wow.

lira, you sound just like me except that youre much more understanding, tolerant, and shall we say...nice?

just a couple of points.

firstly, you DO have the right not to vote. there is nothing stopping you from entering a blank form on polling day. i wouldnt want to live in a country whose voting systems favoured the conservative platforms (which is what voluntary voting tends to do).

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Originally posted by Lira I wouldn't be this optimistic about having defeated \"monarchs\" and \"superstition\" as rulers.

hehe, touche! but id say the almighty $$ has replaced both in the advanced liberal democracies

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lira, you sound just like me except that youre much more understanding, tolerant, and shall we say...nice? just a couple of points. firstly, you DO have the right not to vote. there is nothing stopping you from entering a blank form on polling day. i wouldnt want to live in a country whose voting systems favoured the conservative platforms (which is what voluntary voting tends to do).

I know, but waking up just to enter a blank vote sounds a bit reduntant. If I just stayed home, would my message get across?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN hehe, touche! but id say the almighty $$ has replaced both in the advanced liberal democracies

Yeah, it does have a similar power nowadays, doesn't it? hmm...

lol

america is far too everything to not have done everything and then some.

America also had slavery

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Originally posted by Omega_M ok so its cool to post bullshit but "cockslapping" to give rational answers. wow.

Hmmm

I know this is a serious topic, but Im simply joking around to say that it doesnt really matter to me if we went to the moon or not. If we did, great, but if its released tomorrow we never made it, I would hardly be surprised.

However, alot of people seem to get their jollies from proving others wrong, so i provided that oppurtunity in order to facilitate the discussion.

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Originally posted by Orbax dude like...rockets still blow up and yet almost 40 years ago they flew the first perfect mission?

people thought you were serious lol

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Originally posted by Masonious people thought you were serious lol

Dude think about it. Its *SPACE* that means NOTHING. How can you go through *NOTHING*

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Originally posted by Orbax Dude think about it. Its *SPACE* that means NOTHING. How can you go through *NOTHING*

holy shit! yeah, i mean, rockets are propulsored with fire amirght? and fire needs a little thing (no pun intended lolol) called oxygen. hmm? is nothing oxygen? no it isn't so it's impossible for rockets to even BE in space. the government sure did a good job pulling the blinders over everyone though, simpletons

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Originally posted by Orbax Dude think about it. Its *SPACE* that means NOTHING. How can you go through *NOTHING*

Here is definition of Space by Merriam-Webster
a period of time; also : its duration
2 a : a limited extent in one, two, or three dimensions

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Originally posted by BiG-_BoSS Here is definition of Space by Merriam-Webster a period of time; also : its duration 2 a : a limited extent in one, two, or three dimensions

he hoo thinks he nows everything nows nothing

Yeah a limited extent in 3d space. Id say nothing is pretty fucking limited

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Originally posted by BiG-_BoSS Here is definition of Space by Merriam-Webster a period of time; also : its duration 2 a : a limited extent in one, two, or three dimensions

also, Merriam died in the 19th century and Webster died in 1954, did we go into space in the 19th century? did we go to the MOON before 1954? what the fuck would they know about space lol, shit Sputnik wasn't launched until 1957. and even then it was fake since space literally means nothing in latin.

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Originally posted by Lira It's a philosophical suicide really, and that's why you sometimes witness irrational acceptance or refusal of a proposition. Emotions play an important role in our life. If we're physically threatened, we feel fear (and find ourselves in a fight or flight situation, be it physically or mentally). Now, if you have an emotional need for a belief - if finding out the truth is painful to you for some reason, and this belief is threatened, you feel a similar fear.

In my opinion belief is a natural instict embedded in the basic structure of human being just as rational thinking is. How can you say having belief is unfortunate ? time comes when in the face of uncertainity, everone puts "faith" into their respective belief. That means they are mixing positive emotions with beliefs to create "hope" for something favorable to happen.

You need to put faith in your belief that you will succeed in your endeavor because you don't know a priori whether you are going to succeed or not.

I would say belief is that which drives everything. People create good and bad things because they place faith in their personal belief and strive to achieve whatever they want. That creates all -isms and all problems and also creates solutions to the problems. Now what causes you to believe in something is an entirely different matter.

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Originally posted by Omega_M In my opinion belief is a natural instict embedded in the basic structure of human being just as rational thinking is. How can you say having belief is unfortunate ? time comes when in the face of uncertainity, everone puts \"faith\" into their respective belief. That means they are mixing positive emotions with beliefs to create \"hope\" for something favorable to happen. You need to put faith in your belief that you will succeed in your endeavor because you don't know a priori whether you are going to succeed or not. I would say belief is that which drives everything. People create good and bad things because they place faith in their personal belief and strive to achieve whatever they want. That creates all -isms and all problems and also creates solutions to the problems. Now what causes you to believe in something is an entirely different matter.

i think some ambiguity of terms of reference when using words like faith or belief can cause some issues.

for instance i use 'faith' as a polar opposite from 'rational belief'. but sometimes i would use faith in a less academic way, such as 'i have faith that liverpool can win this year's EPL'.

as far as im concerned faith is an unrealistic feeling people use as a substitute for rational enquiry. it doesnt mean you cant have 'faith' in yourself to achieve something, but it IS a negative means to justify, say, belief in something that cannot be proven. yes, people might put 'faith' into their respective belief systems, however if that faith is contrary to empirical or rational evidence, it becomes bollocks.

the problem with most 'faiths' is that people hold them too dearly, as they have an irrational attachment to an idea. logical or rational belief systems are (hopefully) in a state of flux, where if new evidence or logic is brought to bear, a new synthesis is formed from the previous ideas. faith in this way is infallible as it is irrational, and cannot be broken. which is just silly. you only have to look at the scientific faith of alchemy to see what a faithfully pointless exercise it was.

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