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Originally posted by sticky_shoes MDMA = methylenedioxymethamphetamine, a type of methamphetamine

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! "a type"...

Most of your posts in this thread have been just as.... amusing (I think one would call it that).

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Unfortunately there is no such thing (safe use). When one takes drugs - one is running the risk of harm.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Unfortunately there is no such thing (safe use). When one takes drugs - one is running the risk of harm.

Yes, quite true; however, things can be mitigated and controlled to as reasonable extends as possible.

To simply throw all caution to the wind is not a good policy simply bc one cannot be guaranteed of 100% safe usage.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Ohhhhhh look at the pretty dolphin, I want to eat it!!

bitch, please. I thought you were a fashion guru... it's all about them LV's!

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Originally posted by chinamon one thing that this article failed to mention was that the girl was found collapsed and in a coma at Zellers. she took E to go shopping...

I drop at least three pills every time I go to the mall...all the music coming from each store...it is a dancer's paradise.

This article is soo lame. First off its full of b/s. I my self have done a lot of research on E (I even started that thread). Anywho saying "Yes, pure Ecstasy is dangerous, plus, plus," is ignorant because anything is bad for you if you take it in excess amounts, and pure e or mdma is not bad at all for you if you take it in reasonable amounts. It obvious if you pop 6 pills in one night shit will get out of hand, but would drink you drink four bottles of Vodka or smoke 4 packs in a night, most likely not and if you would I think you need help. I'll put my money on it that cigarettes and alcohol kill 100000 times more people each year then e does, yet e is one of the most or the most popular drugs amongst teenagers. I mean 13 deaths in 2 years ? Please how about they provide facts as to how many people die from other drugs and they you will see how minimal these figures are (not saying 13 deaths is nothing but read on). Now people always forget that the people that die from E are always fucked on other drugs, and I am not saying just alcohol or weed, I am talking about heroin or coke (hard drugs), so who is to blame ? the drug or the moron who takes the drug without knowing anything about it. I my self got educated on the drug, I am not saying I know it inside out but I know enough to know whats safe or not, and if that be the case between me living or dieing well then doing a couple hours of research was totally worth it. Yes E is dangerous if you get it from someone you don't know because god knows whats in it, and that probably the biggest drawback of the drug, but chances are we all know a drug dealer or two that can get you some good stuff. I mean think about, for example the Guverment in Toronto, i mean so many people are fucked on E there, have there been any deaths there due to E ? I highly doubt it because everyone (or most people there) know what they are doing (drinkin water etc.) and if they don't someone will tell them.

Knowledge is power bitches ! Aiiiiiiiiiight.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Unfortunately there is no such thing (safe use). When one takes drugs - one is running the risk of harm.

I would disagree with that. Taking a pill, drinking alcohol instead of water and not sitting down to take breaks would be what I define as "unsafe use".

Making sure you're well hydrated and taking breaks is what I would define as "safe use".

The FDA approved MDMA for use in treatment to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and the research is bien done by MAPS, so they cant say that its a dangarous killer drug when there is actual medical potenial for it

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Originally posted by The Highroller I would disagree with that. Taking a pill, drinking alcohol instead of water and not sitting down to take breaks would be what I define as "unsafe use". Making sure you're well hydrated and taking breaks is what I would define as "safe use".

Not 'safe use' Graham, I would call that 'smart / educated use'

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Originally posted by The Highroller I would disagree with that. Taking a pill, drinking alcohol instead of water and not sitting down to take breaks would be what I define as "unsafe use". Making sure you're well hydrated and taking breaks is what I would define as "safe use".

True...trying to take precautions (i.e. being hydrated, not taking other drugs, etc.) will prevent you from being a statistic...

But unless you know exactly what's in the pill you're taking...you're never safe...there's a whole lot of crap other than E in that pill that can do serious damage...

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Originally posted by mizza318 13 deaths in 2 years...

Yeah...stats piss me off if they don't give more information about it(i.e. age, how they died, etc.)

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Originally posted by mizza318 Yes E is dangerous if you get it from someone you don't know because god knows whats in it, and that probably the biggest drawback of the drug, but chances are we all know a drug dealer or two that can get you some good stuff.

Well...I hope the chances are good...b/c I seriously wouldn't want to die b/c something else other than E killed me...haha...

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Originally posted by mizza318 I mean think about, for example the Guverment in Toronto, i mean so many people are fucked on E there, have there been any deaths there due to E ? I highly doubt it because everyone (or most people there) know what they are doing (drinkin water etc.) and if they don't someone will tell them.

True...but it's possible that these deaths go unreported

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Originally posted by mizza318 Knowledge is power bitches ! Aiiiiiiiiiight.

+1

how about analog.

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Originally posted by 4-play Not 'safe use' Graham, I would call that 'smart / educated use'

OK - I agree with this distinction now that it's pointed out.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I drop at least three pills every time I go to the mall...all the music coming from each store...it is a dancer's paradise.

omg HAHAHAHHAHA!!!!

I'm trying to EAT here!

blah blah blah...how many times do we need to rehash this idiotic debate

how many thousands (tens of thousands?) of pills are consumed every saturday night in Toronto alone...nevermind the country...nevermind the world.

just because ONE KID dies from what THEY THINK is e...that hardly qualifies it as a dangerous substance.

more people die in alcohol related incidents in ONE LONG WEEKEND than people do from e in a year.

it's bullshit scare tactics like that that directly contribute to kids ignoring virtually all 'just say no' campaigns...because they know authorities are FLAT OUT LYING to them about the drug and it's dangers (or lack thereof).

honest education > feeding kids bullshit

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Originally posted by The Highroller I would disagree with that. Taking a pill, drinking alcohol instead of water and not sitting down to take breaks would be what I define as "unsafe use". Making sure you're well hydrated and taking breaks is what I would define as "safe use".

sorry have to disagree with you, you may be as safe as possible, one wrong reaction in your brain you're life's gone

I heard about this - it's terrible. there was a bust at coxwell and gerrard too!!!! lots and lots of pills seized and crack, and cocaine! 2 guns and 16 people inside - on (guess what) CRACK all were arrested. i think they should collect all their cell phones and get other peoples numbers and do an investigation!*~*

let's just hope our #'s are NOT in their cell phones! j/k

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Originally posted by djeso sorry have to disagree with you, you may be as safe as possible, one wrong reaction in your brain you're life's gone

I couldn't agree more!

and before I even buy their stats on the deaths between 1998-2000, I want to know details.

where did they get the pills...did they have pre-existing conditions...what exactly was in the pills...what else they were taking, etc. etc. etc.

that stat alone is debatable (at best) without further information.

From all the research that i have done most ecstasy deaths are young females who take mdma while premenstral. Thier body holds alot of water before thier period and combined with the extra water that they drink because of the scare of dyhidration ... u know wat happens.

In this case she wasnt even dancing SHE WENT TO ZELLERS so she didnt even need to drink much at all.

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Originally posted by sticky_shoes And MDMA is the most common form of E produced I believe...hence I would suspect that was the type of meth made by those two men...

E was never and will never be pure mdma. o and for the record, just because a chemical has the word amphetamine in its name doesnt mean its produced inteh same way as meth.... cooking speed causes explosions, not mdma

E is usually a combination of (traditionaly speaking) caffeine and mdma or speed and mdma....

more often than not you will not find much if any mdma in pills. they use substitute chemcicals since mdma is harder to produce becuase of gov't bans on the chemicals used to produce it. so you find a lot of MDA, MDEA, 2CT-7, PMA and a whole host of other adulterants. im sick of the media calling anyting in pill form e. a girl died outside of montreal this year and the media called it an E overdose, when the coroners report was finally released, it was found that what they htought was E was acutally speed.

either way, you cant look at a pill and even guess its composition, you need a test kit or in sticky's case a spectrophotographic analyzer... that may be a bit overboard however.

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Originally posted by djeso one wrong reaction in your brain you're life's gone

This is why I will never touch the stuff.

BE CAREFUL!

Here's a video of someone G'ing out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeXd6UrpDvI

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Be careful folks.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Here's a video of someone G'ing out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeXd6UrpDvI --------- Be careful folks.

GHB is a dirty dirty drug. One of the ones i am absolutely petrified of considering how easy it is to overdose on it.

That is one scary video... i don't understand why this guy's friends are laughing. I'd be carting him over to the ER in a hurry!

I don't think they're his friends

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp E was never and will never be pure mdma. E is usually a combination of (traditionaly speaking) caffeine and mdma or speed and mdma....

I agree. I hope you weren't thinking that I thought that exctasy = pure MDMA...b/c I am aware it isn't...

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp o and for the record, just because a chemical has the word amphetamine in its name doesnt mean its produced inteh same way as meth....

Haha...obviously :P (I agree...)

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp Cooking speed causes explosions, not mdma

I agree that making speed (a.k.a. amphetamine) can cause explosions. However, there are certain methods in making MDMA which can also cause explosions...

You can do a literature search on it...and you will find that there are many synthetic methods of making MDMA in which the by-products are highly explosive if the procedure is not done correctly.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp more often than not you will not find much if any mdma in pills. they use substitute chemcicals since mdma is harder to produce becuase of gov't bans on the chemicals used to produce it.

Not necessarily, most chemical suppliers do in fact supply the chemicals which they are starting materials for making MDMA. But they supply these materials in small amounts (they are aware that people who order these materials may use it to make...illegal substances...haha). Therefore as a safeguard they supply the material in 1 mg amounts. And often they are crazy ass expensive...so its not even worth making it if you intend on making a lot of them and then selling it. Therefore, people who make the pills often use the other types of amphetamines which are cheaper and readily available, and add other shit (I believe you mentioned a couple earlier...) which can be dangerous (i.e. rat poison).

At one point, I was seriously thinking about making this stuff myself (in small quantites), but it's the expense...and I live with my 'rents...I don't think they'll like the idea

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp either way, you cant look at a pill and even guess its composition, you need a test kit or in sticky's case a spectrophotographic analyzer... that may be a bit overboard however.

Haha...I was joking...an IR spect usually sell @ around $300,000 CAD...

Hmmm...does anyone know if those test kits work? If so, how much do they cost? If I ever wanted to pop a pill I'd probably want to test it first...there are ways in which one can get rid of "other stuff"...I won't mention the exact methods b/c I might get into trouble here...

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Originally posted by sticky_shoes does anyone know if those test kits work?

Yes.

http://www.eztest.com

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