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is tiesto reading this thread ?

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Originally posted by Omega_M is tiesto reading this thread ?

Yes.

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Originally posted by Omega_M is tiesto reading this thread ?

Maybe...maybe not. It'll be great if he did. I really enjoy his music but I haven't heard any great set so far.

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Originally posted by RapidFire someone tell me this was recorded?? Id love to own a decent Tiesto set.

its all very well looking at a tracklist with tunes that seem popular among "certain" anoracks right now but it depends how the set was played.
just cos it looks good on paper doesnt mean a dj is on "form" or "good". its how the set was mixed. otherwise i could list 30 of the best tunes around and then start demanding that i become dj mags number 1 dj.
tiesto has a horrible tendency to trainwreck far too many times and the transition of the mix is usually rough and untidy and over the years he has not improved. track selection aside, the flow of the mix gets destroyed by a stampeed of cattle every 7-8 minutes.
after seeing oakenfold's god-awful set at global gathering last week (who was held in the same "god" status back in the day as tiesto is now), i can just feel tiesto going the same way as oakenfold.
im not bashing him at all, im just saying that throwing a list of tracks together is all very well but unless your mixing is spot on then its not right to say he should be amongst the top or that his sets are amazing. if that really was the case then alot of us on here would be challenging for number 1 this year and playing infront of 1000s of people every week.

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Originally posted by charlie lloyd its all very well looking at a tracklist with tunes that seem popular among "certain" anoracks right now but it depends how the set was played. just cos it looks good on paper doesnt mean a dj is on "form" or "good". its how the set was mixed. otherwise i could list 30 of the best tunes around and then start demanding that i become dj mags number 1 dj. tiesto has a horrible tendency to trainwreck far too many times and the transition of the mix is usually rough and untidy and over the years he has not improved. track selection aside, the flow of the mix gets destroyed by a stampeed of cattle every 7-8 minutes. after seeing oakenfold's god-awful set at global gathering last week (who was held in the same "god" status back in the day as tiesto is now), i can just feel tiesto going the same way as oakenfold. im not bashing him at all, im just saying that throwing a list of tracks together is all very well but unless your mixing is spot on then its not right to say he should be amongst the top or that his sets are amazing. if that really was the case then alot of us on here would be challenging for number 1 this year and playing infront of 1000s of people every week.

good point, too bad it has absolutely no meaning here, i was there, i can make the tracklist, i can also judge the mixing, he made 49 transitions, 1 maybe loose, and 1 strange one between evergreen and do't forget me. The rest were spot on.

So er,...yeah sorry. But nice try.

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Originally posted by charlie lloyd after seeing oakenfold's god-awful set at global gathering last week (who was held in the same "god" status back in the day as tiesto is now), i can just feel tiesto going the same way as oakenfold.

tiesto's mixing isn't half as bad as that was

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! good point, too bad it has absolutely no meaning here, i was there, i can make the tracklist, i can also judge the mixing, he made 49 transitions, 1 maybe loose, and 1 strange one between evergreen and do't forget me. The rest were spot on. So er,...yeah sorry. But nice try.

i think you didnt get my point after all. i didnt say it was a bad mix at all. i was trying to point out that judging a set by the tracklist is a bit silly because it depends how those tracks were put together.
anyway it doesnt matter cos i know ill just get lynched by the rest of the tiesto fans like yourself on here.
having seen and heard several tiesto sets this year, he is far from consistant at mixing fluently and im sure hardly anyone with an unbiased opinion can disagree.

ps, why do you have to be so anal with the "so, er, nice try"?, not every dj in the world is without fault or free from critisim no matter how much you like them. i like pvd and have done since 1998 but even i think he has been well below par over the last few years (with last year being an exception)and i wouldnt start flaming anyone who started saying anything critical towards him.

however back to my point, i still stand behind what i said about how easy it is to get carried away by a tracklist without actually hearing it( and i accept though you claim to have done as one of your 98 times since 2000, others have not but still say its a good set, hence my original post) and although "isoterra" was right about my link to oakenfold being a bit too far fetched, what i actually mean is that tiesto and the way his career is going is starting to echo how oakenfold has progressed over the last 7 years where now he feels he only has to turn up with minimal effort to do the job and everyone will be fine.

Tracklist just gives a mix potential is all. I haven't heard a Tiesto set for the past two-three years, so if I'm going to listen to one, may as well be one with a tracklisting that appeals to me. And by all accounts the Vienna set is one where he laid back and got back into his old form where he played a nice tight set of tracks he loves instead of a commercial set of tracks he feels obligated to play.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Tracklist just gives a mix potential is all. I haven't heard a Tiesto set for the past two-three years, so if I'm going to listen to one, may as well be one with a tracklisting that appeals to me. And by all accounts the Vienna set is one where he laid back and got back into his old form where he played a nice tight set of tracks he loves instead of a commercial set of tracks he feels obligated to play.

thats cool but personally i prefer to listen to a set first without a tracklist because you dont go to a club or get a flyer before you go in with a tracklist on the back with what tracks the djs going to play (altough it has both pro's and con's) else clubs would be half empty because not every tracklist is completely to everyones tastes and even if they are they tend to be few and far between due to the diverse genres of EDM these days.

in regards to the vienna set, im sure someone who has been named number 1 dj in the world 3 times out of the last 4 years could play a "nice tight set of tracks he loves instead of a commercial set of tracks he feels obligated to play" whenever he wanted although several of the tracks in that list he plays every week as normal and are played by the same djs everyone loves to hate right now ie: pvd and armin.
what im saying is that if tiesto (as you say) feels he has to play comercial but rarely gets to play the music "he wants" then why does he not feel like he has enough weight behind him as being a former number 1 djs to play whatever he wants anyway or is it that he only feels that he can stay near the top of the "popularity contest" of the top 100 dj's by playing the crowd pleasing and comercial tunes?

im not entirely fussed either way, just interested to see why two guys like tiesto and oakenfold with mild if not limited technical djing ability can be held by so many people around the world at almost god-like status.
there are many djs around the world who play almost the same sets of tracks as tiesto, armin, pvd do but have much more technical ability and attitude behind the decks and skill at working the crowd yet are kept on the fringes. how can the younger more advanced generation break through if in 10 years time we're still going to clubs/festivals headlined by 50 year old djs living on past reputations like oakenfold and his (so called) "legendary" goa mix and tiesto with his "mix" of adagio.

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what i actually mean is that tiesto and the way his career is going is starting to echo how oakenfold has progressed over the last 7 years where now he feels he only has to turn up with minimal effort to do the job and everyone will be fine.

Not at all... perfecto was dying, BlackHole is blooming. Oakie got completely lazy, used too much drugs and hadn't got any fans left to back him up...

Ti�sto isn't even near this. Your point is wrong. Funny how you think that people who might like ti�sto now and then their opinions are automatically biased.

I didn't get anything from your last post here. Learn to structure it and then come back again. Thanks.

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Originally posted by isoterra tiesto's mixing isn't half as bad as that was

could it be that tiesto and oakenfold trainwreck coz they are deaf?

i'm not kidding here.

i get the impression that some djs care about there ears and others don't,

these two clearly don't

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Originally posted by Push2005 Not at all... perfecto was dying, BlackHole is blooming. Oakie got completely lazy, used too much drugs and hadn't got any fans left to back him up... Ti�sto isn't even near this. Your point is wrong. Funny how you think that people who might like ti�sto now and then their opinions are automatically biased. I didn't get anything from your last post here. Learn to structure it and then come back again. Thanks.

yet another anal/over the top post. seems like people on here react so badly and leap to the defence of their "heroes".

you read too much into my comparison with tiesto and oakenfold because what i was linking was their on-deck skill and abilities not drug taking or how their record labels are/were going because their labels are not entirely run by oakenfold or tiesto alone and as for drug taking, thats another matter. i didnt say tiesto had got like oakenfold. i meant that he was in danger of heading the same way but many people on here hit the panic button as soon as their favourite djs are mentioned in a "bad light"

as for the "I didn't get anything from your last post here. Learn to structure it and then come back again. Thanks", it seems pretty childish to have that kind of attitude and try to take some moral high ground about how to write a post on an internet forum when you dont agree with someone. i suppose you would "get it" if i was praising tiesto maybe?. either how, i wasnt on here to start a fight and none of what i put was agressive. i was just putting my own opinions on the thread name and obviously some people cant accept other peoples opinions when they dont match thier own (probably why we have so much war in the world right now.

just read a thread on a irish dance site..tiesto playing over here in ireland last nite at HI-FI..


heard he played goog to very good from peoples replys..it also said the bounces had to stop letting people into the tent in which he was playing in.it was that packed with clubbers.

saw him friday night at Slinky and altho the set started off well it didnt really go anywhere. Nothing like the t/l from the Vienna set which was a bit of a shame, didnt hear hardly any of his own productions. Very few trainwrecks tho.

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Originally posted by slinkyhead saw him friday night at Slinky and altho the set started off well it didnt really go anywhere. Nothing like the t/l from the Vienna set which was a bit of a shame, didnt hear hardly any of his own productions. Very few trainwrecks tho.

It seems he's making an effort to shape up technically.

And I think DJ's do feel obligated to play certain tracks. It seems that if a DJ doesn't play predominately new and 'popular' tracks during a liveset or radio broadcast, they are considered to be behind the times. And if they cane the same tracks over and over for a few months they're considered to be jumping a bandwagon by only playing tracks popular at the specific moment.

It has to be a very hard line to tread, keeping everyone happy, and I don't envy doing it.

And furthermore, just because the Vienna tracklist includes a few new tracks doesn't mean that it's somehow inferior to a pure classics set. The purpose of the set wasn't as a classics tribute, so I think it's kind of silly to expect that it should have been either all new or all classic. If I go out to the club, I love hearing a few classics thrown in with the newer material. There's nothing like hearing the melody of an old favorite slowly coming in.

EDIT: Also, DJ's focus on newer tracks because everyone in the scene knows them. Since EDM is still (relatively) new and growing, a great number of people at a club probably won't even recognize many of the tracks some TA's consider standards. For instance, when Tiesto dropped Mercury & Solace, I'm willing to bet 1/2 the crowd went... "Weird song, never heard it before. PLAY WITHOUT YOU NEAR!!!"

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Originally posted by pvdclubber could it be that tiesto and oakenfold trainwreck coz they are deaf? i'm not kidding here. i get the impression that some djs care about there ears and others don't, these two clearly don't

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they clearly didnt... cos it is true Tijs doesn't exactly have accurate hearing anymore.

He's never going to be the best technically, and making a very rapid switch from vinyl to compltely CDR did little to improve that.

He's finally getting to grips with how to mix properly on the CDR and i think thats showing. He no longer making a lot of wrecks in the sets thats for sure. What some people deem a wreckage, might actually just be Tijs trying to move from 1 genre to another, which would actually ruin/destroy some of the flow that is deemed the 'norm'.

Charlie Lloyd, why are you even in this thread? If you didn't have anything constructive to say? The one point brought to the table (Tijs mirroring Oakey)... has been evident since about 2002... never mind is in danger of happening now

I countered your point about vienna, simply because you'd condemned our reviews of the event as we were 'just' studying a tracklist. I replied because I was there. I heard the mixing, and i can judge it to your pre-requisites and it was STILL top notch. Even flow & build was superior to any tiesto event i've been to, in about 3 years.

btw - it was no.100, so my experience of '98' parties as you refer to, is not uptodate perhaps i have a bias view, i requested a few of the tracks, and tiesto obliged. It made it a special show, and certainly means my opinion shouldn't be taken for granted.

Check out some other forums like www.tiesto.hu and the actual response from austrians/hungarians/slovaks who were in attendance - i think they agree with me (without being too anal about what was played either).

i'd be the first to admit Tiesto is not a great mixer. I'd also admit that in some sets this year - particular the surprisingly poor 03-06-06 HMH gig, Tijs has been far from spectacular. But to completely judge him based on these disasters is equally transparent & false as if i were to completely champion him as the best DJ on the planet because of 1 gig last week.

ps. i hope that wasn't to anal for you

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! He's never going to be the best technically, and making a very rapid switch from vinyl to compltely CDR did little to improve that. He's finally getting to grips with how to mix properly on the CDR and i think thats showing. He no longer making a lot of wrecks in the sets thats for sure. What some people deem a wreckage, might actually just be Tijs trying to move from 1 genre to another, which would actually ruin/destroy some of the flow that is deemed the 'norm'. Charlie Lloyd, why are you even in this thread? If you didn't have anything constructive to say? The one point brought to the table (Tijs mirroring Oakey)... has been evident since about 2002... never mind is in danger of happening now I countered your point about vienna, simply because you'd condemned our reviews of the event as we were 'just' studying a tracklist. I replied because I was there. I heard the mixing, and i can judge it to your pre-requisites and it was STILL top notch. Even flow & build was superior to any tiesto event i've been to, in about 3 years. btw - it was no.100, so my experience of '98' parties as you refer to, is not uptodate perhaps i have a bias view, i requested a few of the tracks, and tiesto obliged. It made it a special show, and certainly means my opinion shouldn't be taken for granted. Check out some other forums like www.tiesto.hu and the actual response from austrians/hungarians/slovaks who were in attendance - i think they agree with me (without being too anal about what was played either). i'd be the first to admit Tiesto is not a great mixer. I'd also admit that in some sets this year - particular the surprisingly poor 03-06-06 HMH gig, Tijs has been far from spectacular. But to completely judge him based on these disasters is equally transparent & false as if i were to completely champion him as the best DJ on the planet because of 1 gig last week. ps. i hope that wasn't to anal for you

anal? this last post of yours borders on the obsessive haha.
i was "in the thread" because believe it or not, its an open forum and people are allowed to give their opinions, both pro and against. obviously you've took the whole thing a little too far my friend.

as for being constructive, well in my opinion i was being (if you read my posts without your tiesto tinted glasses on) and since free speach and all that, i was doing just that. maybe the whole thing about being allowed free speach and people having different views to you is hard to understand for someone from a country still getting used to it maybe? but we wont get into that.
as for countering points etc? maybe you spend too long on forums and have got too over the whole thing.
i think you need to learn that not everyone agrees with you and maybe you just need to accept it and not get all agressive and childish in future.

anyway ive made my point on the original thread title, its a shame some people on here get so over excited when they dont agree with someone with different opinions. probably why ive hardly ever posted on here since joining.

MichaelBoogerd knock yourself out slagging me off, im not going to lose any sleep over it mate, especially since its over tiesto

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Originally posted by Omega_M is tiesto reading this thread ?

well he knew that alot of TAs preffered Sasha over him so im sure he davedresden's the place from time to time.

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Originally posted by charlie lloyd slagging me off

There are way too many TA's using this term, so it's about time I find out what it actually means. A lil' help?

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Originally posted by Ian 01. Members of Mayday - 10 in 01 (Paul van Dyk Remix) 0.00 02. Utah Saints - Lost Vagueness 6.45 03. Airwave - Save Me 13.04 04. Green Martian - Industry 19.55 05. Faithless - We Come 1 (Rollo & Sister Bliss Mix) 23.26 06. Ralphy B - Massive 29.25 07. Jan Johnston - Flesh (DJ Tiesto Remix) 37.12 08. Altitude - Nightstalker (Original Mix) 43.46 09. Coast 2 Coast - Home (Original Mix) 47.55 10. Delerium - Innocente (DJ Tiesto Remix) 53.04 11. Fred Numf Vs. 5 point 0 - Globalisation 57.09 12. Minimalistix - Twin Peaks Theme (Original) 62.00 13. DJ Tiesto - Urban Train 67.37 14. Rank 1 - Such Is Life (Rank 1's Deep Dub Mix) 72.50 15. DJ Tiesto - Flight 643 78.00 16. Katana - Fancy Fair 83.49 17. Emmanuel Top - Tone 89.41 18. Mario Lopez - Sound Of Nature (Plug n Play Remix) 93.10 19. DJ Montana - The Bridge in The Park 96.40 club eau 2nd anniversary. My favourite tiesto set ever

I co-sign this.

Thijs has become really weak recently, think he feels that he has nothing left to prove. His sets circa 1999-2001 were astounding, but recently have been boring, at best. Think his BPM count is steadily journeying towards zero! Having said that his production is seemingly hot these days, his rereb of "He's A Pirate" is a belter!

Thijs has become really weak recently, think he feels that he has nothing left to prove. His sets circa 1999-2001 were astounding, but recently have been boring, at best. Think his BPM count is steadily journeying towards zero! Having said that his production is seemingly hot these days, his rereb of "He's A Pirate" is a belter!

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov There are way too many TA's using this term, so it's about time I find out what it actually means. A lil' help?

slagging someone off is basically not being nice bout them, ie being horrible, discriminatory, nasty. Often involves personal attacks.

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