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thats what im thinking, but i read on ign that nintendo is trying to start a new following and meaner style wiht this new SEGA project

FACK! I want to get a Wii now!

(I'd tap that).

No, but serioulsy, this new Wii console DOES look interesting, I'm gonna start reading up on it. I havent been interested in game consols since SNES. I may be time for my come back. I've ALWAYS been a Nintendo whore. Always.

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Originally posted by DanR I'm going to pick up a Wii... for the games like Mario and Zelda. At its price, its a steal, in my opinion.

Exactly and exactly! Mario PWNS me.

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Originally posted by arek you guys are making it way too complex... i'll take the blonde one.

hey, thats who i chose too. unbelievable!

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Originally posted by DJ Robben i remember dropping my n64 down a flight of concrete stairs, when i was renovating, slipped out of my hands, and FLEW into the wlal when it hit the bottom. Plugged it in, and was playing smash brothers 5 minutes later. Fucking quality stuff.

fucking uber mikey. built quality = GOOD

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH The PS3 as an 80's answering machine, complete with wood-panelling.

BWAHAHAHAHA

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August 15, 2006 - In a recent interview with USA Today, Nintendo of America president and chief operating officer Reggie Fils-Aime cast fresh light -- and plenty of confidence -- on Nintendo's plans for the Wii. When asked how the Nintendo Wii will compete with Sony's PlayStation 3 and Microsoft's Xbox 360, Reggie repeatedly emphasized that the Wii will appeal to a broader audience -- that Microsoft and Sony are "both going down the same path" while the Wii is paving an entirely new road. "We're trying to expand this business here in the U.S in a way that it really hasn't been expanded ... for the health of this industry," he said. By now most readers know Microsoft's magnanimous stance toward Nintendo, with executives in Redmond suggesting gamers buy both an Xbox 360 and a Wii -- for the price of one PlayStation 3. Reggie, known for his take-no-prisoners style, doesn't necessarily agree. "I'd much rather have the consumer buy a Wii, some accessories, and a ton of games, vs. buying any of my competitor's products." Unsurprisingly, Reggie would not divulge details of Wii's price or launch date, though the exec did suggest retailers are already receiving word -- or will soon. "We're well on our way to sharing all of that information with our retailers and our licensees," he said. "We'll be sharing that information publicly later on." The Wii isn't the only product which has Nintendo chuffed. The Nintendo DS, which, like the Wii, is designed to appeal to gamers and non-gamers alike, is a craze in all territories, and is beating Sony's PSP in worldwide sales. "Nintendo DS in Japan outsells all of our competitors by a factor of five to one," Reggie commented. "We are so far in advance of our handheld competitors that they're not even on the map. That's all based on a market expansion strategy. And that's what we're looking to do with home consoles." Overall, Reggie is confident that the Wii will succeed on its own terms, rather than by competing in the tech-specs arms race which has Microsoft and Sony locking horns. "Our visuals for Wii will look fantastic," Reggie said, "but in the end, prettier pictures will not bring new gamers and casual gamers into this industry. It has to be about the ability to pick up a controller, not be intimidated, and have fun immediately."

I've been a gamer since the early Atari days. Got into Nintendo shortly thereafter and have been a Nintendo fan since. They may have had a few stumbles here and there, as well as some complete failures (Virtual Boy), but they've never lost sight of their goal, and that's to lead. With the Wii, they're taking the video games industry to a whole new level, while MS and Sony can only sit by and watch.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I've been a gamer since the early Atari days. Got into Nintendo shortly thereafter and have been a Nintendo fan since. They may have had a few stumbles here and there, as well as some complete failures (Virtual Boy) but with the Wii they're taking the video games industry to a whole new level. MS and Sony can only sit by and watch.

that is if the wii actually works as promised... like that virtual boy

I just wanted to pop in here and give my 2 cents on this whole debate. Since I've been playing Videogames since I was 2 years old playing pacman at my grandma's house, Videogames have been my number one passion.

First off, the few people in this thread that have nothing better to rip on Nintendo for other than "They make all teh kiddie gamez!". I can't disagree. They're games are packaged in a family-friendly way. But since about 3 years ago, this complaint has been dead in the water since Nintendo has made an image comeback with the release of games like Resident Evil 4, and other adult-oriented games. One other point on the kiddie games argument. Maybe the games ARE packaged for kiddies, but there's no denying that every game that's released for Nintendo has a certain polish, a certain 'finished' quality, that X-Box and Playstation have never had. Nintendo makes quality games with tight controls, amazing gameplay, colourful graphics that work to their consoles strengths, rather than their weaknesses, and brand-recognition that can make the company a billion dollars with the release of a single Pokemon, Mario or Zelda game.

SO! Lets cut to the chase, Nintendo is going to destroy the competition in this round of the Console wars.

Nintendo has always been the most innovative of all the console companies. Nintendo has always truly had the better software, most fun games (actually, in this regard, N64 still takes the cake), and smartest business philosophy.

While Sony got greedy as soon as it's popularity picked up and pushed their developers to pump out games at 3 Final Fantasy's a year. Nintendo has always been more than happy to delay game releases such that the game they release is polished, plays well, and is user-friendly.

Nintendo lost a lot of ground when Sony released the PSX and Square jumped ship. Mostly because of Nintendo's decision to stick to cartridge-based gaming, and 3rd-party developers jumping ship for the Dreamcast and PSX because CD-based games are incredibly easier, and cheaper to make.

Suring the PSX/N64 era, Nintendo also had the problem of Playstation creating more adult content, while Nintendo was still very family oriented (and actually, continues to be still, although not as strict). And thus they lost even more ground after FF7 brought gaming to the masses.

With the release of PS2, Gamecube and Xbox. Nintendo made a big mistake in releasing the GC in PURPLE (BWAHAHAHAHA). They were already fighting an image backlash. But now at the end of the current era, most gamers with a love for GAMES (and not just pretty graphix) are realising Nintendo's biggest advantage. The one thing that's kept them in the business for 25 years (almost?). AMAZING first-party software.

Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, F Zero, Starfox. More obscure franchises (at least in NA) like Fire Emblem, And more recently... Animal Crossing and Pikmin. Are all extremely popular with all ages of gamers and are available for systems from ONE company. Nintendo. And all of these games can claim with almost EVERY release one thing that most companies can not. They all have tight controls, and gameplay that's very easy to learn, but also equally hard to master. (Anyone who thinks Smash Bros is easier than any game in, for example, the Street Fighter Series is fooling themselves, or blinded by the "NINTENDO IS FOR KIDDIES!" propeganda)

While Sony and Microsoft (and in earlier years, Sega) rely almost solely on 3rd-party support, Nintendo has always had their own games (and the portable market) to carry them through rough times. This is going to work to their advantage in the coming generation.

Just like back in the late 80's the video-game industry is becoming saturated with horrible 3rd-party games. For every Zelda: The Ocarina of Time that Nintendo releases, there are 20 E.T.s released by everyone else (And if you don't know about E.T., you really should just drop out of this debate RIGHT NOW).

The obvious reaction to this fact, is that videogaming is starting to enter into a recession. The most common complaint in video-game magazines these days is that every game released is just the same game that was released last year, but with pumped up graphix and 15 more button combinations to add "new" material.

This is where Microsoft and Sony are still headed. While Microsoft is basically following the hype and doing the only thing they know how (shamelessly rip-off from others, but spend their billions of dollars to make it prettier), Sony is becoming comfortable and losing their drive to innovate and impress the masses.

Lets not forget that neither Sony or Microsoft are actually gaming companies... Sony has a whole slew of problems going on right now (what with PSP floundering and their now HDVD and Blueray war, along with tons of bad publicity over things such as their CD spyware that messes with computer registries) and are trying to turn videogame consoles into Blackberries with "Teh pwn graffixxx!!1". Microsoft has tons of money and will probably take another console before they give up on the market, but they'll always be a copy-cat company, and when videogaming is no longer the cool thing to do (as is quickly becoming the case), they'll be totally lost with no idea what to do.

In the meantime, Nintendo is doing what they've always been amazing at, innovating and bringing new things to the market. When people grew frustrated with giant joysticks, they INVENTED the D-Pad (and actually, the controller for that matter). When people wanted more buttons, they added shoulder-buttons to the SNES (which have become an industry standard since). When people demanded a new type of control to explore the new 3D realm, they created the first controller with an analogue control stick (which Sony quickly copied). And now, although not much vocal rumblings have been happening of late in the controller realm, Nintendo is ONCE AGAIN inventing a new controller that ONCE AGAIN gives gamers a whole new feeling of freedom with their games.

PS2 is only the king on the hill right now because of momentum, and backwards compatability with the PS1 and N64's failure. Look at any gaming site or gaming magazine these days, and Wii has all the hype. Retro-gaming is making a comeback, which Nintendo is embracing, and their new controller offers more potential than anything that's been introduced to the market since 3D graphics.

I give it 3 years, tops, before people finally realise why Nintendo is the real King of gaming.

well for some:

hard drives are not the bottleneck

the user is

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It's the same premise. We will offer online-enabled games that the consumers will not have to pay a subscription fee for. They'll be able to enjoy that right out of the box.

Just another reason why the Wii is, well, good

Source

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Originally posted by Spam

Well said.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Well said.

Microsoft not a gaming company ?? hehe what the hell are you talking about? They were making the flight sims way back in the days.

Why have they put enormous amounts of monies and time into the development of DirectX? to make Word better? Not really.

Everyone knows that the whole revolution behind windows 95 was to make Windows a gaming plateform.

I love Nintendo's games, Zelda, Mario, Starfox, Mario Kart, ... but my best experiences are on a Microsoft Windows based machine.

And now with the xbox360, Microsoft wants to take out the hassle of keeping up to date with hardware, drivers, os updates, etc of your computer and package it in a neat format called the xbox (which is just an optimized windows machine).

Super Mario Galaxy

Go download the videos and be amazed. Just looks like soo much fun!

Here's another one that's rather interesting:

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Wii for $170? Financial report anticipates lower price point for upcoming system. by Anoop Gantayat August 15, 2006 - Nintendo's new Wii console could be yours later this year for less than expected. Tokyo-based Nikko Citigroup has issued a report on Nintendo's rising stock price, and between all the jargon is the financial institution's forecast that the Wii will carry a Japanese price point of 19,800 yen. Current exchange rates would put an equivalent US price at $170.00. However, console prices rarely convert according to exchange rates. At most, we can probable take this report to indicate an anticipated US price of under $200. Nikko Citigroup previously forecast a 25,000 yen price for the Wii. The firm arrived at the new, lower price point based on its expectation that Nintendo will be able to procure the Wii's CPU for less than expected. This report is just another prediction by a financial institution and shouldn't be taken as confirmation of the Wii's price. For now, the official Nintendo word is that the system will be sold for under 25,000 yen in Japan and $250 in America. Final details are expected in September.

Source: http://wii.ign.com/articles/725/725645p1.html

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Originally posted by malek Microsoft not a gaming company ?? hehe what the hell are you talking about? They were making the flight sims way back in the days. Why have they put enormous amounts of monies and time into the development of DirectX? to make Word better? Not really. Everyone knows that the whole revolution behind windows 95 was to make Windows a gaming plateform. I love Nintendo's games, Zelda, Mario, Starfox, Mario Kart, ... but my best experiences are on a Microsoft Windows based machine. And now with the xbox360, Microsoft wants to take out the hassle of keeping up to date with hardware, drivers, os updates, etc of your computer and package it in a neat format called the xbox (which is just an optimized windows machine).

Flight sims? Are those even games? I don't know anyone under the age of 30 that even attempted to play those things back in the day. And just because a company makes a game or two in between operating systems doesn't make then a videogame company. Sony is an electronics company, and Microsoft is a computer software giant. Of the 3 current-gen console gaming companies, Nintendo is the only 'pure' one that exists.

Why have they put enormous amounts of money and time into DirectX? Simply put, they have to, or it opens the door for another company to develop it and make money based on an incredibly popular money-making medium... computer games (which, by the way, are on a completely different universe than console games, because RTS and FPS games are teh win on computer, while other genres work much better on a console).

Windows 95 was developed for gaming so that Microsoft could keep up with the trend of computers being used for more than just office-work. It wasn't some brand new innovation that suddenly turned them into a gaming company. They haven't made a single good game other than their sub-par computer sim-games. Even Sony's made better games than Microsoft.

With the X-Box, Microsoft did what they do best. Jump on the bandwagon and try to compete in a growing market. The only reason they do well is because they have TONS and TONS of money to blow on hardware and advertising (and buying out the competition). Microsoft's entire goal is to make money. There's no attempt to remove the 'hassle of keeping up to date with hardware, drivers, os updates, etc of your computer". That's what consoles DO, that's what they've been doing for the last 30 years! Giving gamers a medium to play great games without that hassle.

I'm not denying that X-Box 360 is a powerful machine or anything like that. But as far as the actual games go (you know, the things that actually make money for the company), the X-Box is still just the Halo Box with good sports games.

Exactly. MS isn't a video games company like Nintendo or Ubi-Soft or EA or Sega. They're in the software business, which video games happen to fall under. I doubt they have their own in-house game development team though, unlike Ubi-Soft or Nintendo.

and btw, ultimately, the motive for MS to put so much effort in DirectX is to keep gamers using Windows and keep their primary source of income flowing: Windows and its applications. Not to be a gaming company, which they are not, at least not the same way Nintendo, Sega, Activision, EA, etc. are

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Originally posted by Spam

on most points agreed.

generally a company the size of microsoft has difficulties being as innovative as smaller and/or more targetted companies.

however looking across such a broad spectrum doesn't do MS justice.

in the great scheme of themes, they suck, yes.

however this is due to one of the basic principles of economics and evolution: competition.

you will find that microsoft is a very innovative company in markets where they do have fierce competition, and is a stagnant leviathan when in markets where it can afford to sit back and reap the profits.

examples.

windows/windows media player/IE and the office suite:

same old shit they've been releasing for years, revamped, rebadged and more expensive. also, typically has more problems.

XBOX

learned so much from the orig. (some lessons that sony has obv. forgotten). why was 360 the first new gen console out, because of the strategic value of first strike. the interface and the manner in which the console is set up is great for gamers. the live setup, the access to the live marketplace. and the achievements setup is absolute genius. (in order to increase your score and your rank you have to buy and play more titles)

all of that being said,

im really looking forward to the Wii.

im hoping for another FZero.

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Originally posted by lexclu im hoping for another FZero.

Motion sensetive steering would be so much fun!

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur *Patiently waits for the day Nintendo is going to go out of business.* I hope that wasn't a real commercial. Cause even PS2 is better than Wii. And did Nintendo just try to criticise Sony on their selection of games? AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. HEY NINTENDO, WHEN I FEEL LIKE PLAYING ANOTHER ADAPTATION OF MARIO BROS FOR THE GAJILLIONTH TIME, I'LL GIVE YOU A CALL! For now, sit down, stfu, and continue appealing to first-graders.

well put, well put. i just like the one gimic wii has to offer, that is the motion sensing controller thingy. thats it though

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Originally posted by lexclu

Agreed, It's nice to see SOME people in here who understand business and know their shit about videogames. I thought we were all drugged-up trance-ners!

Microsoft made a mistake when they did that crummy 3-controller setup for the 360. but otherwise they have indeed learned a lesson from the X-Box. You have to be first, or you have to be different.

Of course, SEGA already learned that lesson with the Dreamcast.

Sony on the other hand, has apparently gotten cocky in the VG market and thinks they can pull a rabbit outa their ass with the release of PS3, which will ultimately be overshadowed by the release of Wii. Since Wii isn't going for direct competition with X-Box OR PS3, people will want both types of systems, and this will work to Nintendo's advantage. I fully expect X-Box and PS3 to split sales while Nintendo's sales soar.

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Originally posted by Spam Agreed, It's nice to see SOME people in here who understand business and know their shit about videogames. I thought we were all drugged-up trance-ners!

i did write in the great scheme of themes,

so im not making such a good case for not being a drugged up trance-ner.

i was kinda disapointed when SEGA backed out of the console race, but they got thoroughly beaten by everyone else. and as much fun as you can make about the mario bros. franchise, the sonic franchise had even less ability to be upgraded and adapted. and i loved those games.

however, for whatever reason, SEGA and nintendo forged some affinity after years and years of direct and brutal competition, SEGA did mention when it had backed out that it would be focusing primarily on video game production, and im excited about what SEGA will be able to do with the motion sensitive technology.

Wii + SEGA games = hours of stoned entertainment.

Coffee, Tea, SEGA

what the fuck have I done with my day?

I too was a little saddened by the SEGA dropout, but it's understandable considering the big mistake they made in waiting so long before making the dreamcast. They released it at the end of an era, just before everyone was waiting for the next. That's never a good call

Mario is a franchise that can be updated greatly, the only problem is that the Gamecube is just an N64 with better graphics, that's the whole problem the current-gen systems have had all along. Better graphics are good and all, but you need something new to truly update a game. Mario made the jump from 2d to 3d with flying colours (as did Zelda). But without something new, it turned into Mario Sunshine on the gamecube (fun, but ick).

Sonic has always had the problem of being a step behind Mario. Sonic was great when it came out because of it's blazing speed, but even back then it was just Mario on crack. But by the time dreamcast was released, it was just a super-speed Mario, but with less imaginative worlds and less fun.

I'm actually not that excited about Sega making games... other than Sonic they've never really had much to bank on as far as quality gaming is concerned. They were always a console company that relied on 3rd-party software.

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Originally posted by Spam Microsoft made a mistake when they did that crummy 3-controller setup for the 360. but otherwise they have indeed learned a lesson from the X-Box. You have to be first, or you have to be different.

3 controller setup?

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Originally posted by Spam Agreed, It's nice to see SOME people in here who understand business and know their shit about videogames. I thought we were all drugged-up trance-ners!

haha, I've been following video games way before I even heard of "trance" music. Lately I don't even play video games that much, but instead I choose to follow all the industry drama. Anti-Nintendo have always baffled me though; what with their strong kiddie arguments...and uh...more kiddie arguments.

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Originally posted by beefy k well put, well put. i just like the one gimic wii has to offer, that is the motion sensing controller thingy. thats it though

lol..."gimmick"...dude, a gimmick is something that nobody really takes seriously and doesn't hold any practical use. This motion-sensing controller thingy is the next step in video games. You'll realize this once every other company jumps on the bandwagon, which is slowly happening. Sony already incorporated the tilt functionality into their "dual shock". Of course, it lacks the motion-sensing thingy, as well as the ability to use both hands seperately...but I'm sure Sony is looking at the Wii controller really hard right now, trying to figure out exactly how they could rip the technology from Nintendo once again.

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Originally posted by Spam I'm actually not that excited about Sega making games... other than Sonic they've never really had much to bank on as far as quality gaming is concerned. They were always a console company that relied on 3rd-party software.

showing my age here, but:

outrun
afterburner

and others

worms
virtua fighter
super monkey ball (stupid yet addictive)

these are just the ones that come to mind.

I hope Sega re-releases Panzer Dragoon Saga for the Wii. And Nights. Oh how I wish they would release Nights.

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