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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Spirit, you're being far too pretentious about epic trance and Harriz is a mysteriously unbanned would-be troll come techno snob.

But i'm not talking about epic trance, i'm talking about melodic trance or melodic and beautiful music period. I'm just using a few, more melodic trance tunes as references, but they are hardly the super-saw epic trance that many of us have gotten tired. And i'm not really being pretensious, merely stating that these melodic trance has a more emotional, spiritual feel to it than a lot of the techno out there.

I'm not going on and on about the spiritual qualities of it in a pretensious way, I'm merely explaining my point. I use "spiritual" as a way to describe music that is transcendent...euphoric or heavenly, which a lot of the music I've talked about and like is, whether it's trance, ambient, new age or classical or whatever it is. It's incomprehensible to me that someone would not consider the tunes I mentioned, and mention often, as not being so...whether they like them or not. And I don't know Harriz, first time i've come in contact with him on here.

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Originally posted by harriz Yes Boards of Canada and Ulrich Schnauss make great music. I dont think you can get away with the trance-classical comparison because trance is far to elementary to be compared to classical in my opinion.

Yes they do, but they have a slightly different sound. Ulrich's music is definitely more compositional and melodic, where Boards Of Canada is more experimental and subtle.

I'm not making the comparision as far as complexity of the music, but the way in which the music is experienced or felt from the listener. I would say though that trance has had over the years a more compositional structure to it, where as techno has been more free-form. Sure it's not as complex structurally as classical, but both definitely have this wonderful beauty about them conveyed through melodies or angelic voices. That's not to say techno can't be this way, but it hasn't done this to the same degree as trance.

I'm merely stating a point though, as I like both styles, but trance is where my passion has been. See i'm not here bashing techno, i'm just trying to make a personal observation, that doesn't mean I'm right and your wrong.

Different things in music appeals to different people. Some people like the idea of technology pushing the boundaries of music. I like this idea just as anyone else, but where some people might like it in an experimental way, others might want to use it as a way to enhance the feel of the music...creating lush soundscapes or feelings of euphoria. And music can be both...which is exactly what Ulrich Schnauss has been doing, and doing very well.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex Holy shit! A maze of ironies.

I haven't laughed that hard at so few words in quite a long time.

Re: Someone please define "techno" for me.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT People (DJ's, TA's, EDM whores in general) seem to describe "techno" music in drastically different terms. I don't get it. What is "techno?"

lol @ newblet

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Originally posted by harriz I don't plan on getting banned again so I wont answer MrMysterys posts and I will keep this argument, to the point and within reasonable length. In other words you can insult me all you want I am not going to answer back.

Don't blame me for your banning, you made it happen all by yourself with the exact attitude you're using in this very thread right now. It's only a matter of time before you go overboard again. It was a terrible decision to let you back in again, people don't just change in a week.

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Originally posted by Aquadyne lol @ newblet

RTFT

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Originally posted by Aquadyne lol @ newblet

Hey man, when you've got 80 different "Techno" DJ's all telling you that what they play is techno, and that what the other 79 DJ's are playing is everything from Hardstyle to Minimal, it can get damn confusing!

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Originally posted by harriz I don't plan on getting banned again so I wont answer MrMysterys posts and I will keep this argument, to the point and within reasonable length. In other words you can insult me all you want I am not going to answer back. I will however point some 'wrongs' out... When Tie$to$ fluff is 'idillic' and '$ophi$ticated' while Wink gets 2 stars and an off the mark analogy involving video games and implying file sharing you out of all people should not talk about pretense. The fact that you actually reviewed a great cd (guess which...) cannot make up for the fact that a Tie$to-brand product gets a better review from you than Josh Winks 20/20 artist album. Because of that YOU are now as pretentious as some wanna-be reviewer would be if he bashed a real band like Radiohead and favored some garbage like the Backstreet Boys. Way to go System.

20/20 is fucking dull acid house/techno that's been heard a million times before. You're only favouring it because of your snobbish pretences that techno = credibility. You slate trance for being all the same then try and hype the most fucking generic techno record I've heard in years?

Plus you're so fucking stupid you can't even quote in context. I was talking about the cover photography in the quotes you mentioned- even specifically saying "even aside from the music". Way to go, you're a fucking idiot.

Spirit: epic, melodic, it's all pretty simplistic stuff. Your fluffy ideas of spirituality sound horrifically trance-cracker in tone. Trance is not a shit genre by default but neither is it somehow spiritually more fulfilling than techno, and hyping up some melodic records just cripples your argument. The fact is trance and techno are side by side: both have good, bad and ugly in equal measures. To say otherwise is to talk biased shite. Ignore Harriz.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J 20/20 is fucking dull acid house/techno that's been heard a million times before. You're only favouring it because of your snobbish pretences that techno = credibility. You slate trance for being all the same then try and hype the most fucking generic techno record I've heard in years?

do you mind naming some similarly generic techno records then?

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Originally posted by Psy-T do you mind naming some similarly generic techno records then?

Why, exactly? I don't intend to turn this into a detailed discussion on the minor nuances of acid techno. That would be no different to Spirit arguing over particular melodic trance tracks as if they will change the general perception someone else has to the style.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Why, exactly? I don't intend to turn this into a detailed discussion on the minor nuances of acid techno. That would be no different to Spirit arguing over particular melodic trance tracks as if they will change the general perception someone else has to the style.

why? --for my benefit. it especially made me curious how you described it as generic techno.

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Originally posted by Psy-T why? --for my benefit. it especially made me curious how you described it as generic techno.

Er... actually I'm not sure why I did last night. In the review I refer to it almost entirely as acid house and the category we put it under was acid house too. I'd had a few to drink last night and a lot of the beats on it have always reminded me of techno tracks I know, so I suppose that's where I got the association from.

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Originally posted by basd Some people like to use multiple sources, and form their own opinion. If that's too much for you, then I'm sorry.

ermm, i havent read what you posted before this

but asking someone to define "techno" for them is not exactly forming an opinion

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J 20/20 is fucking dull acid house/techno that's been heard a million times before. You're only favouring it because of your snobbish pretences that techno = credibility. You slate trance for being all the same then try and hype the most fucking generic techno record I've heard in years? Plus you're so a fucking stupid you can't even quote in context. I was talking about the cover photography in the quotes you mentioned- even specifically saying "even aside from the music". Way to go, you're a fucking idiot.

Childish 'you're fucking idiot' insults and snobbish pretenses aside the fact is 20/20 is a project that compiles music produced by Josh Wink one of the best most influential acid house artists ever!
Far from being generic and raw like life itself, Josh Winks music is as original as music gets!
Unlike Tiesto who has no idea what his 'Tiesto-brand' cds will sound like 'till they are actually released, Josh Winks music is composed, arranged, mixed and he even mastered 100% by Josh Wink.
Now I know that as a trance consumer you are more likely to buy and appreciate 'idillic', 'sophisticated' and 'plea$ant'* 'Tie$to-brand' products, (after all tie$to-brand is such a stong brand name the trance market) but please get a clue about music in general before you talk about Phillys finest in one of your 'fifth grade essay' reviews.


* The key word here is... 'pleasant'

I couldn't give a shit if he mixed, mastered, produced and wrote it all, drew the artwork and delivered each copy to every record shop that sells it in his teeth while being chased by killer bees. If the end product coming out of the speakers does not sound good, then it isn't a good record. In that review (which you insist on quoting the part about the bloody cover) I don't praise Tiesto's talents or abilities. I don't judge it on how many points it earns me in snobbery debates. I don't judge it on genre or name or reputation. I judge it on the fucking music. Learn something from that.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I couldn't give a shit if he mixed, mastered, produced and wrote it all, drew the artwork and delivered each copy to every record shop that sells it in his teeth while being chased by killer bees. If the end product coming out of the speakers does not sound good, then it isn't a good record. In that review (which you insist on quoting the part about the bloody cover) I don't praise Tiesto's talents or abilities. I don't judge it on how many points it earns me in snobbery debates. I don't judge it on genre or name or reputation. I judge it on the fucking music. Learn something from that.

You talk about acid house and LA like it's something you don't know anything about!
And that is pretense. And it's spelled with an S not a C

So much for a writer who has mastered spelling and grammar...
You said it's generic and it's nothing but generic.
It is original. It sounds original. It sounds like 'Josh Wink'. It sounds like real music.
It sounds... good!

It does not sound like some engineer hired to patch together a bunch of Mc trance to create some mythical Los Angeles where everything shines, everyone smiles and the sun is constantly glowing...
Wait a minute... LA, a shinny glowing place?
What... are you f****n twelve?
The only place in LA where you find everything shining, everybody smiling and the sun constantly glowing is on television!

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Originally posted by harriz You talk about acid house and LA like it's something you don't know anything about! And that is pretense. And it's spelled with an S not a C

Actually, "pretence" is the British variant. I'm English. England is in Britain.

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So much for a writer who has mastered spelling and grammar... You said it's generic and it's nothing but generic. It is original. It sounds original. It sounds like 'Josh Wink'. It sounds like real music. It sounds... good!

Apart from some techno percussion it's pretty much acid house as acid house is and always has been.

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It does not sound like some engineer hired to patch together a bunch of Mc trance to create some mythical Los Angeles where everything shines, everyone smiles and the sun is constantly glowing... Wait a minute... LA, a shinny glowing place? What... are you f****n twelve? The only place in LA where you find everything shining, everybody smiling and the sun constantly glowing is on television!

Are you aware of what a myth is? It's a fictional tale. Hence why I called it a "mythical" Los Angeles and implied that Tiesto could work for the LA tourist board. If you actually read the sentence in context, I'm saying that the music and the artwork make LA seem like a shiny, happy place. Read the paragraph before. You know the one that describes LA as a sordid and corrupt place? Yeah, you got that in your sights? It fucks your argument up good.

Nice going. You accuse me of being a shit writer and you don't know that English and American English have differences, and you can't even put sentences in context or... hell, understand the meaning of "mythical"? Fifth grade writing essays? I'm studying English at fucking university mate.

Someone remind me why it was a good idea to let this clown back here again?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Actually, "pretence" is the British variant. I'm English. England is in Britain.

He is an example of that:

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Are you aware of what a myth is? It's a fictional tale. Hence why I called it a "mythical" Los Angeles and implied that Tiesto could work for the LA tourist board. If you actually read the sentence in context, I'm saying that the music and the artwork make LA seem like a shiny, happy place. Read the paragraph before. You know the one that describes LA as a sordid and corrupt place? Yeah, you got that in your sights? It fucks your argument up good.

I am out. This is over.

Run and hide you jackass.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Someone remind me why it was a good idea to let this clown back here again?

of late MD's been pretty quite. we need drama !!!! so they let him in

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Originally posted by movingincircles but asking someone to define "techno" for them is not exactly forming an opinion

Definitions used by others can be used to form and shape an opinion of your own, methinks.

Closed, as there is relatively little point in leaving this open any longer.

I got what I wanted out of it, and some hilariously terrible posts on top of that!

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