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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell a bag of vinyl, a bag with a laptop in it whats the difference?

I see what you're saying, but there is a difference if you're putting on a party in a field, or maybe playing at a house party where you're gonna be worried about security. Ive been using FS for 3-4 years now, as well as starting to get to grips with Ableton, but there are still some situations where taking a bag of vinyl is more practical than bringing out the laptop.

I think you're right, the average bod on the dancefloor doesnt give a monkeys what you use to play the music, which should mean that other DJs shouldnt criticise you for your choice. Im sure you've probably recieved a bit of (unjustified) stick from others for playing off a laptop, my point was that it shouldnt swing so far the other way so that people playing off vinyl get similar abuse.

It is rather simple for some of us... play the best music using whatever the hell you want, I don't care if you only have to press 2 buttons in order to achieve that goal, what matters is the music.

The dj's of the future will embrace this technology without knowing how to beatmatch, it's very likely indeed, but they will still need to know how to read the crowd, play the key tracks at the right time, spicing things up, with a nice flow during a set... so many ingredients involved that the hardware being used will be one of the last things on our mind at the dance floor

Blake Jarrell ftw

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Originally posted by djdk I see what you're saying, but there is a difference if you're putting on a party in a field, or maybe playing at a house party where you're gonna be worried about security. Ive been using FS for 3-4 years now, as well as starting to get to grips with Ableton, but there are still some situations where taking a bag of vinyl is more practical than bringing out the laptop. I think you're right, the average bod on the dancefloor doesnt give a monkeys what you use to play the music, which should mean that other DJs shouldnt criticise you for your choice. Im sure you've probably recieved a bit of (unjustified) stick from others for playing off a laptop, my point was that it shouldnt swing so far the other way so that people playing off vinyl get similar abuse.

i agree, swinging too far either way is just ignorant.

as for "beatport is the antichrist" i guess richie hawtin is the devil since he is one of the main investors and a huge supporter of it.

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell as for "beatport is the antichrist" i guess richie hawtin is the devil since he is one of the main investors and a huge supporter of it.

that's quite funny considering bobba lou is one of the biggest m_nus whores around

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Originally posted by UWM that's quite funny considering bobba lou is one of the biggest m_nus whores around

bobba is so minimal.. he shrunk

































oh man perhaps the worst joke i have ever told. evar.

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Originally posted by nchs09 the worst joke i have ever told. evar.

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Originally posted by UWM

rub it in :/

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell i think with laptops people are more excited again. i get asked almost everytime i play, "hey what is that that youre/hes doing?" "can you show me what you can do with that" "wait this song sounds different, what is he doing with it?" "wow im glad he cut out that 5 minute rediculous breakdown" etc etc

Same here. It seems like every knob I turn people get more and more mezmerized... especially since even an american 'tard who knows nothing about dance music can hear what I'm doing.


In my recent promo (posted here for people who are interested,) I:

1) Cut out a good minute and a half of one song, for sake of the lack of energy it would have

2) added samples that i created with a friend to a track, making it sound more full and increasing its vibe

3)Put an acappella over a track, filtered/redux'd/delayed the acappella..



The possibilities I get with Live just never get old to me. The sky is the limit.










Oh... and ftr, no... that's not all I did

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Originally posted by mrmonkey Nice, you got a tracklist for that? Couple of songs I cant get. Cheers

these are some of the tracks I heard.....


coldplay - talk (junkie xl mix)
cosmos - take me with you
bedrock - heaven scent
benny benassi - satisfaction
forgot the artist - girls & boys
stardust - music sounds better with you
faithless - insomnia
frankie goes to hollywood - two tribes
pet shop boys - miracles (eric prydz mix)
ridgewalkers - find
nalin & kane - beachball
that gay shane 54 mix of that trance song

although i've never used TT's in my life, i have however messed aroudnd with mixing/dj'ing programs. So to get in my two cents, i'll say that i still think TT's are the way to go, it seems kinda odd to use a laptop to dj. TT's and records have a cooler "feel" or "effect" or "vibe" or whatever word you wana use.

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Originally posted by UWM that's quite funny considering bobba lou is one of the biggest m_nus whores around

not really, m_nus is all about run stop restore and tractile.. can care less about the rest.

3 yrs since my last gig, about a year since i last laid hands on a pair of turntables / cdj's and i get booked for a pretty big gig.
i've spent all week at a friends place brushing up on cdj-ing when the promoter calls to say that i'm supposed to play a laptop set using ni traktor.

it so happens the night is supposed to showcase digital dj-ing with each dj playing a set on a different type of software.

as requested

Track listing for "Shane 54 - Mixed In Key demo":


01. Coldplay - Talk (Junkie Xl Remix) (EMI)
02. Ferry Corsten - Sublime (Thrillseekers remix) (Tsunami)
03. Cosmos - Take Me With You (vocal mix) (Polydor UK)
04. Blue Amazon - When The Rain Falls (Jackpot)
05. Dire Straits - Money For Nothing (Vertigo)
06. Bedrock - Heaven Scent (Bedrock)
07. Kraftwerk - Home Computer (EMI)
08. Benny Benassi - Satisfaction (Tony Murano Acapella) (Data)
09. Blur - Boys & Girls (EMI)
10. Viper - The Twister (Hooj)
11. Stardust - Music Sounds Better With You (Roule)
12. Faithless - Insomnia (Acapella) (EMI)
13. 3 Drives - Greece 2000 (Hooj)
14. Tom Dissevelt & Kid Baltan - Song Of The Second Moon (Label Unkown)
15. Shane 54 vs Dj Junior feat Michelle Wild - 69 (Acapella) (Boring Records)
16. Tiesto - Love Comes Again (Bass Loop) (Black Hole)
17. Shane 54 - Equinoxe 4 (Original mix) (DTF)
18. Jean Michel Jarre - Rendez-Vous 1 (Polydor)
19. Pet Shop Boys - Miracles (Eric Prydzz remix) (EMI)
20. Annie Lennox - 1000 Beautiful Things (Gabriel & Dresden Techfunk remix) (BMG)
21. Johan Gielen - Physical Overdrive (UNB mix) (Tunes For You)
22. Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Two Tribes (Rob Searle mix)
23. Nalin & Kane - Beachball (Gabriel & Dresden South Beach mix) (Ultra)
24. Shane 54 - Valahol (Airbase pres. Parc remix) (Laptop Dj)
25. Esturea - Flow (Black Hole)
26. Ridgewalkers feat el - Find (Andy Moor mix) (Baroque)
27. Yilmaz Althanan - Eighties (Original) (Anjunabeats)
28. Yellow Magic Orchestra - Rydeen (Original mix)
29. The Thrillseekers - By Your Side (Martin Roth mix) (Adjusted)
30. Tatana - I can (Shane 54 Laptop Dj Remix) (Sirup)
31. Roc Project feat Tina Arena - Never (Acapella) (Tommyboy)
32. Depeche Mode - Everything Counts (Reprise) (Mute)

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Originally posted by Zoso So, when a DJ uses two laptops, what kind of beat matching is involved? Is this handled entirely by the software of his/her choice? If so, this seems to take away at least one element/skill that a DJ should possess, right? Of course it would allow one to focus much more on programming, phrasing, track seletion, etc. All of which are clearly necessary skills. Just got me thinking, that's all.

When we use 2 laptops for the live show its for different reasons.
1 laptop holds all the sounds and running ableton. The other is used for mastering the sound so that its tight and sounds the very best we can get it. It just lightens the load on the first laptop to prevent any problems during the show. We may also run several effects on the 2nd laptop that the first one may not be able to handle.

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell a bag of vinyl, a bag with a laptop in it whats the difference?

well there is a difference if u go to a gig and some of ur vinyl goes missing u could replace them resonably easy. But if u lose or break ur laptop with all ur tracks on how pissed would u be? u will have just lost thousands of tracks

I'll gather from the comments posted here that using Abelton Live's "warp" function is not the same as simply clicking on the "beat lock" button on Virtual DJ, for example? So using Live involves more than simply clicking a beat match button? I am not sure I understand the "warp" function everyone is discussing. Forgive the noobish questions, please, but you don't learn if you don't ask.

On a completely different note, I finally found a copy The Quest - C Sharp in stock on an ITWT sampler at dance records! I am very, very pleased. This tune is definitely in my top 10 tracks of all time. I was so excited that I phoned my wife to tell her. I don't think she gives two shits, but she faked it for me.

This is a good thread.

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Originally posted by sleepydragon well there is a difference if u go to a gig and some of ur vinyl goes missing u could replace them resonably easy. But if u lose or break ur laptop with all ur tracks on how pissed would u be? u will have just lost thousands of tracks

any laptop dj who doesnt both

A) take out insurance on his/her laptop
and
B) back up all files on external HDs

quite frankly deserves to be pissed when something happens.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Blake Jarrell ftw

Agreed. Anyone who's had the opportunity to see Blake play live (And I've only seen him on the laptop) knows full well that he's no slouch.

Also, the only other thing I wanted to note in this thread is that my sincere hope is that while new innovations continue to arrise, there will still always be a place for the DJ who beatmatches/mixes by hand (whether vinyl or CD).

Unfortunately, I'm thinking this is probably a pipe dream... But who knows, with all the innovations coming to fruition over the course of the next few years, perhaps something new that I can't even imagine right now will come out and I'll adapt to that.

Ableton has been a struggle for me, but I'm starting to understand a little better.

I mix only because I love it. I'll never play out. I'll never make any money from it. I simply love the damn tunes and the process of making a seamless set. I enjoy the challenge of beat matching manually, though I am sure that using digital technology presents many unique challenges of its own. Whatever you choose to use, I am sure there are ways to stand out from the crowd and master your chosen medium. But god I love the feel of vinyl.

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Originally posted by Zoso But god I love the feel of vinyl.

That is all.

blake nice posts in this thread....


one thing i saw you say though...the whole track warping thing. do you really think it's a steeper learning curve? i mean i pretty much could warp a track no problem...i guess i have had a little experience with sound forge and similar programs, which i think helps, but really it's not that difficult. at the same time...my beatmatching is pretty crap since i've never really had time to practice it. i understand the theory of it and everything, but it's still i think harder to learn to beatmatch...then to warp a track in ableton i dunno...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller blake nice posts in this thread.... one thing i saw you say though...the whole track warping thing. do you really think it's a steeper learning curve? i mean i pretty much could warp a track no problem...i guess i have had a little experience with sound forge and similar programs, which i think helps, but really it's not that difficult. at the same time...my beatmatching is pretty crap since i've never really had time to practice it. i understand the theory of it and everything, but it's still i think harder to learn to beatmatch...then to warp a track in ableton i dunno...

I think you are right.

i meant more the initial learning curve, not the "oh i get it now" and everything there after. certainly vinyl or cd beatmatching has a longer tail of difficulty to some after learning the premise of it, but i dont think this holds true to most djs. but i would defintely say the initial premise of beginning an audio program and the nuances of its independant features and engines is much more daunting than listening to a record in headphones and pushing it along, wouldnt you agree?

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