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ok, ill let him know that d-res from the internet said so.

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Originally posted by starboy Man all these Armin haters are really getting old. On another note i just listened to some of those 8wonders productions and man are they relaxing, mint tracks.

The thing is, most of the 'haters' were some of Armin's biggest fans back when he was actually making a go at being a bit innovative.

And most of the lovers weren't even listening.

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Originally posted by starboy Man all these Armin haters are really getting old. On another note i just listened to some of those 8wonders productions and man are they relaxing, mint tracks.

Oh god, you're back. You're like the fanboy that never dies.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders Pull what off? You clearly dislike his work, as you can see in my original statement I said "like or dislike".

What do you mean pull what off? I didn't mean cooking or pottery, obviously.

His ideas recently are hardly worth celebrating, I say it'd actually be a good thing if he had someone else in the studio with him, maybe they would give back that spark to his tracks that they used to have a couple of years ago. I mean he's already remixing other people's work and taking all credit for it so it wouldn't really be a big step.

...and for someone who dislikes him I sure seem to have quite a few of his records...

I just think he is simply out of ideas. His latest tracks work in a club, sure... but he plays tracks in his sets that completely blow them away. His older stuff like Blue Fear and Sunburn are great though. I still think that he has and still does always make great remixes though.

i like Armin vs. M.I.K.E. - Intruder

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Originally posted by UWM The thing is, most of the 'haters' were some of Armin's biggest fans back when he was actually making a go at being a bit innovative. And most of the lovers weren't even listening.

very true. this works with almost any artist who has gone off the path of what their biggest fans thought was good music. same thing with airwave. some of the biggest haters of his new stuff used to be the biggest fans. i used to be big fans of both these guys, but now when something new comes out, i take a listen, hoping it will be good but usually i am disappointed

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery What do you mean pull what off? I didn't mean cooking or pottery, obviously. His ideas recently are hardly worth celebrating, I say it'd actually be a good thing if he had someone else in the studio with him, maybe they would give back that spark to his tracks that they used to have a couple of years ago. I mean he's already remixing other people's work and taking all credit for it so it wouldn't really be a big step. ...and for someone who dislikes him I sure seem to have quite a few of his records...

The obvious question is, you may disagree with his choice in ideas, or perhaps even I, but who is to say that the idea is less valid just becuase someone else doesn't agree with it? They are his tracks, he makes the music he likes.

I would hardly say he has to make tracks to 'fit into the trend', he doesn't need tracks for recognition any longer. He's a name in his own right. So while people are so quick to jump the gun and call him a 'trend follower', have these people considered the fact that maybe and just MAYBE he likes the work he makes? I mean does that count for anything? Or should he make tracks so he can please people such as yourself? Why should someone have to sacrifice his own artistic integrity just so he can please a crowd.

For you to say that maybe perhaps he should work with someone else so he can 'bring life' into his tracks again is simply ridiculous and totally undermines him as an artist.

I said it before, you may like or dislike his recent work but atleast he is 100% behind it.

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Originally posted by Airbase Why should anyone retire from making music?

maybe they should just 'leave the scene' instead...

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Originally posted by 8Wonders They are his tracks, he makes the music he sells.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders The obvious question is, you may disagree with his choice in ideas, or perhaps even I, but who is to say that the idea is less valid just becuase someone else doesn't agree with it? They are his tracks, he makes the music he likes. I would hardly say he has to make tracks to 'fit into the trend', he doesn't need tracks for recognition any longer. He's a name in his own right. So while people are so quick to jump the gun and call him a 'trend follower', have these people considered the fact that maybe and just MAYBE he likes the work he makes? I mean does that count for anything? Or should he make tracks so he can please people such as yourself? Why should someone have to sacrifice his own artistic integrity just so he can please a crowd.

Well if he likes making cookie cutter music, good for him. I don't see why I should respect him for that, though.

The thing is, now that he's established a name for himself he really doesn't even need to try anymore, and it really shows in his recent works. He can do pretty much whatever he wants and people will still buy it.

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For you to say that maybe perhaps he should work with someone else so he can 'bring life' into his tracks again is simply ridiculous and totally undermines him as an artist.

I don't know whether you've noticed it, but his best works have almost always been the tracks where he's worked in collaboration with someone else and/or remixed someone. That really tells a lot about his creative side.

And yes, this is only my opinion. No need to go there.

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I said it before, you may like or dislike his recent work but atleast he is 100% behind it.

So are tons and tons of other producers. It really isn't all that special.

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armin should fcuking retire from making music..

No. now please retire from TA.

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Originally posted by staticblue No. now please retire from TA.

+1

if you make a replica of the same track or anything remotley close to the new armin track, then you can talk shit

I think Armin and his ASOT show is what keept the scene alive...

Its not keeping it alive, its DIVIDING IT. Into two seperate camps. ASOT people and anti-ASOT people.

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Originally posted by Purple I think Armin and his ASOT show is what keept the scene alive...

He has done a lot for trance as a whole. People just don't want to fess up to that so in turn slate him for all of his hard work.

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Originally posted by Arsalan if you make a replica of the same track or anything remotley close to the new armin track, then you can talk shit

Please, spare the oldest "I really have nothing worthwile to argue with, so I'll just throw this in"-argument.

Anyone can talk shit... and right now you're the only person here I've seen talking shit.

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Originally posted by THE_Chris Its not keeping it alive, its DIVIDING IT. Into two seperate camps. ASOT people and anti-ASOT people.

The only reason there is a dividing line there is because you have people who are extremely against the show who split themselves from the scene. There is no such thing as ASOT trance, its simply a stupid name people give it just because they either dont like Armin or they don't like the tracks on the show. He is simlpy playing tunes he likes and tunes he doesn't necessarily like for his fans. And you can go anywhere in the world to listen to a trance dj's set and you will find "ASOT" tracks in those dj's sets.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT He has done a lot for trance as a whole.

No one is denying that he's done a lot for trance as a whole. They're just saying he's not doing anything good for it NOW.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy No one is denying that he's done a lot for trance as a whole. They're just saying he's not doing anything good for it NOW.

He's one man. You can't expect him to sweep the genre up from it's feet all by himself. But that's not saying he has and still isn't doing something for the scene in a huge way. For those who want to slate him, I say go to his live show and see how the crowd interacts with him and how he interacts back. That is a dj who is really in it for the love and passion of the music and his fans. And if he is really only doing it for the money and fame like some people here like to say, then I say good for him because maybe when his dj'ing career is over he can become a hollywood star.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Well if he likes making cookie cutter music, good for him. I don't see why I should respect him for that, though. The thing is, now that he's established a name for himself he really doesn't even need to try anymore, and it really shows in his recent works. He can do pretty much whatever he wants and people will still buy it. I don't know whether you've noticed it, but his best works have almost always been the tracks where he's worked in collaboration with someone else and/or remixed someone. That really tells a lot about his creative side. And yes, this is only my opinion. No need to go there. So are tons and tons of other producers. It really isn't all that special.

Notice in my original statement, towards the end, it said 'unlike other 'top' djs'. I wasn't comparing him to tons and tons of other producers, just the top guys that built their name from essentially exploiting others.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT For those who want to slate him, I say go to his live show and see how the crowd interacts with him and how he interacts back.

I'm sorry, but elicting a crowd reaction is not a reflection of talent. The crowd interacted well with the performer in the video below. Does that mean he's good, too?

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Originally posted by 8Wonders Notice in my original statement, towards the end, it said 'unlike other 'top' djs'. I wasn't comparing him to tons and tons of other producers, just the top guys that built their name from essentially exploiting others.

Noted.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy I'm sorry, but elicting a crowd reaction is not a reflection of talent. The crowd interacted well with the performer in the video below. Does that mean he's good, too?

Sorry, I can't watch that video while I am at work.

Anyway, when going to see a dj live have great crowd interaction is a part of the game. Especially with trance and its big break downs. So yeah, in that part of djing, he is great. And he is also a great mixer as well. Personally, I and a lot of others like his style, where it sounds like one track is fading in and out of another track so it blends beautifuly as one. Sure, for those who are there to criticize it gets a bit repetitive but for the 90% that are there to have fun and dance their asses off, it simply works.

I'm not going to sit here and say he is the best technical dj out there, because he is not. I have already witnessed local talent that no one has ever heard of that would make even John Digweeds eyes pop out of their sockets. But I'm also not going to be ignorant to the fact that the guy is a great thing for this scene as a whole. If those who want to play negative towards it want to do that, whatever but obviously their opinions aren't holding weight either. And I think there is a reason for that.

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