can u really tell the difference?? hardware/software.....

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Posted by DigiNut on Aug-28-2006 23:13:

You left out the "who really gives a flying f*ck as long as the tunes are good" option.

Posted by richg101 on Aug-28-2006 23:41:

Re: Re: Re: Re: can u really tell the difference?? hardware/software.....

quote:
Originally posted by >>FK
why did you give up?

because im happy with my sound even if armada/black hole/insert credible trance label are not interested. for some reason i got it in my head that i only want to be signed to my fave labels,,, so if i cant then i wont get signed to any. so ill make a label that releases trax i know i will buy. then i know at least one label will release music i truely enjoy. i guess i lost heart and now vinyl is so rair i just think id rather release my own trax on a own credible label(soon it will be credible - mark my words!) than some other label that only releases my tracks digitally..

diginut - damn - i tried to add that option just a minute ago but i wont let me - think the airbase one covers the comment a bit tho

Posted by LENG on Aug-29-2006 00:33:

quote:
Originally posted by thecYrus
B is very strange eqd. but when the filter is open it has the typical softsynth sound. (static and liveless)

A is probably a jp-80X0 but it has too much white noise on top that you can't hear the synth really well when the filter is full open. but as far as i can tell it's hardware but imho the jp-8080 is a very digital sounding synth and not really great for something else than supersaws.

btw. today you can use something like nexus or other romplers and i wouldn't call them pure softsynths. but they sound better than most "softsynths"

exemple

Hmm... talk about liveliness, yeah... i felt that too... anyway, the answer to the question is: both are also softsynths. the thrillseeker lead is from vanguard and the matt darey's strings are from reaktor. i think only a handful people can tell the difference, just like you daniel. and i suppose it's barely distinguishable... so, it doesn't matter if it's hardware or software... when the sound is mixed together with the rest in a track, you can hardly tell the difference.

Posted by clubkidnycnyc on Aug-29-2006 00:43:

Hardware may sound warm and fat but with if you dont want to sound so typical and want a more unique sound thats where soft synths will benefit you

if you want to sound like evryone else get hardware

Posted by Sinnica Hax on Aug-29-2006 00:52:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: can u really tell the difference?? hardware/software.....

quote:
Originally posted by richg101
because im happy with my sound even if armada/black hole/insert credible trance label are not interested. for some reason i got it in my head that i only want to be signed to my fave labels,,, so if i cant then i wont get signed to any. so ill make a label that releases trax i know i will buy. then i know at least one label will release music i truely enjoy. i guess i lost heart and now vinyl is so rair i just think id rather release my own trax on a own credible label(soon it will be credible - mark my words!) than some other label that only releases my tracks digitally..

Yeah, good point, those are exactly the lines I follow too, and wish that others did, many labels may require you to change your track in order to fit their guidelines better, I did not enjoy this hence just letting ppl download "fantasize" for example, for free off my site

Posted by clubkidnycnyc on Aug-29-2006 22:49:

i disagree software has so many possibilities

I would not buy hardware (when you can do everything hardware can with software) unless i was signed
and already had money coming in and was like a star like tiesto or paul oakenfold.

Even If i was signed to a label you still would not need hadware because ,your label your signed too will already have the latest
synths in there studio so you can just use there to make a remix work on your new stuff whatever?

I laugh when everyone says software sucks but everyones in love with Reason!

also a lot of people forget or overlook that a synthesizer is not an instrument(some people in the industry frown on people like us) if you want to get really technical a hard synth and a soft synth are really the same
thing. Hardware would be a piano ,a guitar,a drum set organ,a bass guitar,a bass player etc.

not a hard synth a sequencer and a drum machine.

think back to depche mode,and eurthmycs ,and devo ,tricky and moby, or fat boy slim

would you call them musicians?

If your just starting out i would not spend $3000 for a nord lead and $2000 for a virus $5000 for a moog

when you could get one soft synth for $200 to do everything like Absynth,Reaktor,Zeta ,Korg Legacy ,Zeta just to name a few.

a lot of people forget or loose focus is that you dont need a synth that was only made for trance music
there really is no such thing sure there are synths that can do wonders for trance like the virus,rolandjp the juno
and so forth but a synth is made for all genres of music.

you dont see every rock band playing the same guitar so why would you need one synth for trance.

take a piano for instance

you can make country
blues
bluegrass
dixie
r&b
doo wap
folk
country
dream house
trip hop

all with a piano!

so you could basially make trance with any synth is what im getting at! If you know hwat your doing of course, a lot of people dont know what they are doing so they get a trance synth so they can cheat and use the presets! Make your own stuff its fun!

and lastly when you produce your stuff
and if it is a hit no one wil lcare what you used as long as it sounds great so keep producing.

Posted by Enigmatic XTC on Aug-30-2006 05:29:

I think that, for synths, it doesn't really matter whether you use hardware or software. There are so many things you can run a synth through now to give it that warm anologue fee. When it comes to certain FX like EQs and Compressors, however, i do feel that hardware is better. The only reason i think that is because it feels like there is a lot more control on hardware for these FX where even minute changes can make a big difference. But thats just my opinion. (Plus its hard to accurately emulate a vintage tube compressor)

Posted by Airbase on Aug-30-2006 10:20:

Dont blame my weird mastering on software, I'm just a sucky audio engineer, I'd sound just as crap with hardware

// Jezper

Posted by richg101 on Aug-30-2006 10:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Airbase
Dont blame my weird mastering on software, I'm just a sucky audio engineer, I'd sound just as crap with hardware

// Jezper

i meant that you use only software and your tracks sound just as good (if not then better) than most of the 'hardware; producers. hehehe. you are like a walking advertisment on how good software is right now! lol

Posted by aquila on Aug-30-2006 10:57:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
You left out the "who really gives a flying f*ck as long as the tunes are good" option.

+1

Posted by thoughtlessjex on Aug-30-2006 12:53:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
You left out the "who really gives a flying f*ck as long as the tunes are good" option.

WHERE THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN!?

Posted by everyMan on Aug-30-2006 21:27:

quote:
Originally posted by LENG
Hmm... talk about liveliness, yeah... i felt that too... anyway, the answer to the question is: both are also softsynths. the thrillseeker lead is from vanguard and the matt darey's strings are from reaktor. i think only a handful people can tell the difference, just like you daniel. and i suppose it's barely distinguishable... so, it doesn't matter if it's hardware or software... when the sound is mixed together with the rest in a track, you can hardly tell the difference.

The first clip is very nice. Btw, even if you can easily recognise the vanguard's high frequencies, it was also noticed in the mp3 tags that B was vanguard...

Posted by DigiNut on Aug-30-2006 23:27:

quote:
Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
WHERE THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN!?

Out and about.

Among other things, trying to do some producing instead of post-whoring.

Posted by LENG on Aug-31-2006 02:05:

quote:
Originally posted by everyMan
The first clip is very nice. Btw, even if you can easily recognise the vanguard's high frequencies, it was also noticed in the mp3 tags that B was vanguard...

lol... i didn't even notice that *hahaha*
anyway, somehow i kinda like the sound, that cut-off sound of that vanguard it's erm... kinda addicting

Posted by everyMan on Aug-31-2006 21:01:

I think there will always be a difference between the two but you will notice it only if you compare them :

Here is a short test :
http://perso.orange.fr/TranceDevotion/AlbaRosa(2).mp3

The hardware one isn't really hard to find between the two, but if the software one was in a full track and you haven't the hardware version to compare to, would you really notice if it is hardware or software ?

Posted by paulc_dj on Aug-31-2006 23:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44
Hey Rich,

Good Poll,

I'm not sure anymore, I used to think so but there are so many other parts as you well know what make something sound pro or not. I even think Airbase uses Reason 2.5 but not 100% sure, but I know he has shared some refils here.

Airbase uses purely Ableton Live now, he released a statement on his website a while ago regarding this.

IMO the gap between the two is decreasing all the time, and it is only a matter of time now before the only reason we will need hardware is purely for the touchy-feely thing, that makes us feel somehow more comfortable.

PC

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