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Ok. Before i continue, whats your a/s/l.

Its funny how you have been unable to give an intelligent reponses, only bash my point of view.

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Originally posted by beefy k Ok. Before i continue, whats your a/s/l.

Who? Me?

Oh you think I'm sexie eh

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Originally posted by starsearcher Who? Me? Oh you think I'm sexie eh

HAHAHAHAA no i was referring to import but whatever.

i feel as though i've offended people in this thread or tried to flaunt my point of few.

i just wanted to get a better idea of some of your opinions and see where you think the music is going. ever since i really got into trance and house i can hardly listen to anything else in my liesure time. what can this be attributed to?

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Originally posted by beefy k HAHAHAHAA no i was referring to import but whatever. i feel as though i've offended people in this thread or tried to flaunt my point of few. i just wanted to get a better idea of some of your opinions and see where you think the music is going. ever since i really got into trance and house i can hardly listen to anything else in my liesure time. what can this be attributed to?

Oh i didnt think that was directed at me

Im 20/m/school in guelph, live in oakville.

Basically i dont see how you can generallise that a large majority of people dont love music as much as you? I mean EDM isnt a pinnacle in music for everyone, it is for me, it may be for you. But lets use a example right now. Whats to say that a guy who listens to punk all day, plays in a punk band, spends all week going to punk shows, dresses like a punk (even tho its looked down apon in alot of buisness enviroments and so bassically is putting his music ahead of career at points) and who has chosen punk as a lifestyle. How can you have a hunch that he does not get goosebumps when he hears a song he loves. Just cause its a different genre doesnt make it any different, im sure he doesnt like the punk he hears on the radio, or the posers coming into the scene, but im sure he accepts that it also brings alot of good people to the scene, and helps it grow.

And yeah i know its really poorly spelt and punctuated but im rushing this off and trying to make it look like im working!

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Originally posted by Import Oh i didnt think that was directed at me Im 20/m/school in guelph, live in oakville. Basically i dont see how you can generallise that a large majority of people dont love music as much as you? I mean EDM isnt a pinnacle in music for everyone, it is for me, it may be for you. But lets use a example right now. Whats to say that a guy who listens to punk all day, plays in a punk band, spends all week going to punk shows, dresses like a punk (even tho its looked down apon in alot of buisness enviroments and so bassically is putting his music ahead of career at points) and who has chosen punk as a lifestyle. How can you have a hunch that he does not get goosebumps when he hears a song he loves. Just cause its a different genre doesnt make it any different, im sure he doesnt like the punk he hears on the radio, or the posers coming into the scene, but im sure he accepts that it also brings alot of good people to the scene, and helps it grow.

Yea i guess my passion for EDM has kind of blinding me from appeciating other peoples taste, or at least taking them seriously.

Do you think EDM will be as wide spread here as it already is in other countries?

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Originally posted by beefy k Some people are better at interpreting music than others.

Yes, some people are more musically-inclined than others.

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Originally posted by beefy k There is such a thing as better music. Some music better matches the average human biogical structure than other music, getting a more tuned response from the body.

Umm... What? Better than what? Bad music?

"always"?

no.

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Originally posted by beefy k Yea i guess my passion for EDM has kind of blinding me from appeciating other peoples taste, or at least taking them seriously. Do you think EDM will be as wide spread here as it already is in other countries?

nope.....it will never be as wide spread or even as accepted here. The only music that has had any true staying power in North America has been rock music....everything else comes and goes in fads.

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Originally posted by beefy k Yea i guess my passion for EDM has kind of blinding me from appeciating other peoples taste, or at least taking them seriously.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Yes, some people are more musically-inclined than others. Umm... What? Better than what? Bad music?

Well, sorta. I mean, i'm kind of just coming up with this as i type so its going to be sketch, but lets break it down a little.

When you hear static, noise on the radio, its not pleasant. Obv. Sounds waves are on a continuous spectrum, it doesn't just make a discrete jump from noise to music. Right? So wouldn't it be logical to beleive that there IS 'better' music.

More refining. Humans are evolving, isn't it also logical to believe that the musical taste of humans is evolving too?

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Originally posted by starsearcher

i love lamp... i love lamp.

if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living statsearcher?

How exactly did you make the connection from random sounds to composed sounds? Noise is noise, music is music.

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Originally posted by beefy k Well, sorta. I mean, i'm kind of just coming up with this as i type so its going to be sketch, but lets break it down a little. When you hear static, noise on the radio, its not pleasant. Obv. Sounds waves are on a continuous spectrum, it doesn't just make a discrete jump from noise to music. Right? So wouldn't it be logical to beleive that there IS 'better' music. More refining. Humans are evolving, isn't it also logical to believe that the musical taste of humans is evolving too?

Each individual has his own taste in music, and anything else. I could very easily enjoy listening to static as a form of music. Who are you to tell me that it is not good?

Even if you argue from a mathematical stand point (composing music according to chords, etc.), music still boils down to individual perception. That has always been and that will always be.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur How exactly did you make the connection from random sounds to composed sounds? Noise is noise, music is music.

good question, the audio spectrum explains why we like certain pitches and tones better than others but not their relative spacing and timing in composed sounds.

do you agree with the evolution of music part?

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Originally posted by DanR Each individual has his own taste in music, and anything else. I could very easily enjoy listening to static as a form of music. Who are you to tell me that it is not good? Even if you argue from a mathematical stand point (composing music according to chords, etc.), music still boils down to individual perception. That has always been and that will always be.

In this discussion its important to generalize. I'm not saying that there are a (strange) few that like listening to static, all the power to them. Lets keep the sample space large.

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Originally posted by beefy k do you agree with the evolution of music part?

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, so I'm not sure. how do you define evolved music? Is classical music more evolved than 50's music?

Secondly, music enjoyment is a very very subconscious inherent human trait. The beats of the drums found in African tribesmen is essentially the foundation for a LOT of tracks today, particularly in the DNB, Hip-Hop, and Breaks genres. Your "evolved" music idea kinda falls apart because even the newest genres (those would be the evolved ones, right?) still use very basic traits found throught mankind's history.

Right now I'm enjoying this lovely TA discussion

I'm an international man of mystery

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Originally posted by beefy k do you agree with the evolution of music part?

Do you mean in the sense that music will become more complex?

Music is a form of art, i dont think art has neccesarily evolved to be "better" in a sense, it has however changed as we have, this doesnt however make modern art better or worse the classical.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, so I'm not sure. how do you define evolved music? Is classical music more evolved than 50's music? Secondly, music enjoyment is a very very subconscious inherent human trait. The beats of the drums found in African tribesmen is essentially the foundation for a LOT of tracks today, particularly in the DNB, Hip-Hop, and Breaks genres. Your "evolved" music idea kinda falls apart because even the newest genres (those would be the evolved ones, right?) still use very basic traits found throught mankind's history.

I don't think my point gets broken down but actually supported. Have humans COMPLETELY changed through time? As far as the physical aspect, not really (we've always had 4 limbs). The primitive african drums are the foundation of lots of genres but have been complemented by other sounds too.

This is quite an open ended discussion eh? No difinitive end. Music is FUCKED.

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Originally posted by beefy k OK this might piss you off but i'm going to throw it out there anyways (and i'm not speaking about myself here, its just a theory i beleive and explains why some music is more enjoyable than other music): Some people are better at interpreting music than others. There is such a thing as better music. Some music better matches the average human biogical structure than other music, getting a more tuned response from the body. Obviously, no 2 people are the same.

QFJJ

(quoted for jon jon)

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Originally posted by Floorwhore QFJJ (quoted for jon jon)

who's jon jon?

lol, you have much to learn

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Originally posted by beefy k who's jon jon?

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...info&userid=824

note to self- don't post while hungover and at work

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