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i agree.. and i my argeument was about the fact that people dont have respect for canadian culture. I have not shown any disrespect toward anyone. All i have done is point out an incident in history and conveyed my disgust at the ignorance displayed in that conversation that i had. And the whole "european" conversation has been had many times.

So I stand up for myself and you find it offensive. I find that laughable.

i bet if the tables were turned and someone said "italians" will never be canadian enough youd be standing up for yourself like i was. But of course, in your case it would be ok wouldnt it?

can i be italian if i eat pizza?

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Originally posted by arek can i be italian if i eat pizza?

but pizza was invented in new york! LOL

I see the point you're trying to make Jay, but that Byzantine reference was really not necessary.

Others, try not to get Jay get underneath your skins. He has tendency to say things in rather... inflammatory way.

hmmmm, pizzzza!

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Originally posted by EvilTree I see the point you're trying to make Jay, but that Byzantine reference was really not necessary.

why not? its the truth and i stand by it.

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Others, try not to get Jay get underneath your skins. He has tendency to say things in rather... NON SUGAR COATED, NON PC WAY.

fixed

LOL

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Originally posted by Jayx1 why not? its the truth and i stand by it.

I'm not disputing the fact that Byzantines did once conquered Italy for a while. I am disputing the necessity of it in this debate.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i agree.. and i my argeument was about the fact that people dont have respect for canadian culture. I have not shown any disrespect toward anyone. All i have done is point out an incident in history and conveyed my disgust at the ignorance displayed in that conversation that i had. And the whole "european" conversation has been had many times. So I stand up for myself and you find it offensive. I find that laughable. i bet if the tables were turned and someone said "italians" will never be canadian enough youd be standing up for yourself like i was. But of course, in your case it would be ok wouldnt it?

you are offensive because the way in which you make blanket statments on others' cultures is offensive. You could say that "all ________ people are ____________" and it would be the same nonsense that you said here that I found offensive. I never once disputed your statement about "the rape" of Italian people, but by saying that you imply far more, and you know that. Nevermind that is was simply uncessary. I could explain the crusades, the holocaust, slavery of african people...etc etc many ways, the point is WE DONT.

Why? because it is disrespectful and to do so would be offensive.

Stand up for yourself, as I am. And laugh, in each others faces.

as for your one last attempt to pull on another cultural chord, I would be just as offended with your example as I would be if someone said that "all __________ people are not Canadian enough". This not an Italian only issue, I am Canadian. I see from a Canadian perspective.

The term mangia-cake, is derogatory. Just like term W.O.P and all the uncessary terms given to show ignorance and disrespect related to culture.

It is never ok.

so its disrespectful to talk about history? i guess my history teachers never got that memo!

wow... thats a very sad statement to make.

Also ive never made a derogatory comment. All i did was state a historical fact. If this is offensive i feel sorry for you.

As for making a blanket statement. I said that many times i have had this conversation and that "most" people of italian decent in Canada (among other cultures) act this way. And there is no denying this no matter how much you want to whitewash the concept. Of course there are exceptions but give me a break!

Revisionism for the sake of political correctness is not a game i wish to play.

As fot he crusades and the holocaust and so forth, here is something to ponder:

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it!
- Socrates

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Originally posted by Jayx1 so its disrespectful to talk about history? i guess my history teachers never got that memo! wow... thats a very sad statement to make. Also ive never made a derogatory comment. All i did was state a historical fact. If this is offensive i feel sorry for you. As for making a blanket statement. I said that many times i have had this conversation and that "most" people of italian decent in Canada (among other cultures) act this way. And there is no denying this no matter how much you want to whitewash the concept. Of course there are exceptions but give me a break! Revisionism for the sake of political correctness is not a game i wish to play. As fot he crusades and the holocaust and so forth, here is something to ponder: Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it! - Socrates

"Most" people of Italian decent...bla bla - Blanket statement, a lie, and is ignorant

"Nothing is more terrible than to see ignorance in action." - Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

That is ignorance in action.

The "exceptions" are the people you are refering to, the majority are the people I am referring to.

Revisionism for the sake of political correctness - interesting, in the context of a girl who knows little about "her" culture, we now arrive at the history of the rape and pillagment of the Italian penninsula nevermind the distorted connections you are making, but the overal picture of individual ignorance of the subject (girl) and its relation to this blanket statement of ones' Italianess and ones Canadianess is absurd.

In this case it is revisionism for the sake of absurdity based on blanket statements which serve to support your distorted ideas of the exceptions found in all cultural groups.

oh and your quote, i fixed it.

Those who fail history class are doomed to distort it, and find minute examples to support that which they attempt to prove.

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Originally posted by Flec if you have had a jewish mother, you are jewish it doesnt matter where your from or how religious you are or even whether or not you are aware of your bloodline so, how does that fit into your argument jay?

I heard/read about that (Being pretty much the only russian speaking speaking catholic in the Bathurst Steeles neighbourhood you have no choice but to be surrounded by the jewish life).

It's one of the requirements you need to fill if you want to take advantage of Germany's or Israel's immigration for jews programs.

And here's a page I googled where a rabbi actually answers this question:

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Here�s what a Jew is: a Jew is a spiritual state of being. A Jew is any human being who has a Jewish soul, regardless of his or her race, lifestyle or professed religion. This soul is possessed by any man or woman who was born to a Jewish mother or has converted to Judaism according to the dictates of Jewish law. You can be as hip as Jerry Seinfeld, as religious as Moses, as left-wing as Barbra Streisand or as conservative as your uncle Irving�you�re still Jewish. You could be an environmentalist, an industrialist, a fundamentalist�you�re still Jewish. You could try as hard as you can to be just like your neighbors�you�re still Jewish. You could �convert� to Christianity, or run off to India to �become� Buddhist�you�re still Jewish.

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=192&o=80

Hahahaha hip as Jerry Seinfeld.

EDIT - religions are full of weird shit like this. For example, if you've been baptised as a catholic at any point in your life, and decide to go into another religion or become a non-believer, in the eyes of the Church you're still a catholic. The only way you'll stop being a catholic (in the Church's eyes) is if Vatican passes a decree that excommunicates you for apostasy (the sin of renouncing your faith).

Re: Re: Re: People who are ignorant of their "own" culture

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Originally posted by loca (And btw last i checked, being Jewish means you practice Judaism which is a religion. Completely different topic.)

based on Cal's very thorough handy work, when exactly was the last time you checked?

bathurst clark represetn!!! hehehe


thx for the support on that point too btw.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 "Most" people of Italian decent...bla bla - Blanket statement, a lie, and is ignorant

a lie is it? ok then... thats your opionion. And dont tell me that youve never made a general observation about a group of people in your life. Because then you would be lying.

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"Nothing is more terrible than to see ignorance in action." - Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

i agree... that was the point of the thread

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That is ignorance in action.

no but the responses have been interesting.

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The "exceptions" are the people you are refering to, the majority are the people I am referring to.

again, thats just your opinion.

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Revisionism for the sake of political correctness - interesting, in the context of a girl who knows little about "her" culture, we now arrive at the history of the rape and pillagment of the Italian penninsula nevermind the distorted connections you are making, but the overal picture of individual ignorance of the subject (girl) and its relation to this blanket statement of ones' Italianess and ones Canadianess is absurd.

its funny how you keep inplying that my byzantine statement was false when we both know its true. And what a hissy fit you are making out of it. Go back and reread the original part of the thread and the connection to the conversation was VERY relevant.

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In this case it is revisionism for the sake of absurdity based on blanket statements which serve to support your distorted ideas of the exceptions found in all cultural groups.

what revisionism? i have not said anything that wasnt true.

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oh and your quote, i fixed it. Those who fail history class are doomed to distort it, and find minute examples to support that which they attempt to prove.

funny.. i got an A

Obviously we cant document statistically how many canadians of italian decent use the caker/european argeument. But i think most people would agree with me here that the number is a very high one. and im not just picking on italians. The other "europeans" are just as guilty.

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