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Originally posted by davinox Ok...so what do you believe? you believe in a God that sends everyone to Heaven? Where did you get this belief? Hmm... oh yeah, you made it up. You invisioned it.

dont be a prick.....
...and STOP putting words into my mouth...

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Originally posted by davinox These are the people that believe there is Jesus Christ, but no Hell. These are the people that are Christians, but think they have SOULS. (the bible doesn't mention souls ONCE, when the apocolyspe happens, everyone is resurrected, then judged, and if their name is in the Book of Life, they go to Heaven. None of this soul bullshit.)

not that i beleive in souls...but for arguements sake..what then does go to "heaven"...your mind?...

i could care less if there is a higher being who judges me at my final hour...i lived my life MY WAY...i made all my decisions..i regret some and some i dont...either or the other peoples opinions that judge me that i would EVER value are my own, my future wifes, my future children, and my parents...noone else...i do not answer to anyone else...especially not someone i dont know ..

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Originally posted by davinox Either you are pure-religious, or your are not, or you are ignorant.

that was an ignorant statement in itself....so your saying that if you dont worship some God or say fuck it there is no God or religion then you are ignorant?...thats a joke....

i am ending my debate with you...ur only answer to someone who doesnt agree with you is that they are ignorant...so i am wasting my time....

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Originally posted by Devbert Good god. I can't even begin to comprehend what you just said there. Please space out your thoughts in different sentences rather then commas, and use bold type to signify a quote from someone else. Confusing. And kicking a dog/cat is something you should do? There are different states of mental illness, and I wouldn't put paranoia on the same level as outright insanity. Once again, it depends on the case. On the issue of Christianity, little quote goodness for you: I prayed to God for a new bike, then I realized he didn't work that way, so I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.

Hmm...is their such a thing as insanity? Or is it just a new term that a doctor made up? And now everyone and their sisters use it. I have done alot of research on Psychology, Before I wanted to goto med school. And the point to psychology is no point at all. If their is a point, Please tell me. People have lived fine beofre new age drugs such as Ritalin, Seroquel, Thorazine, Prozac all came out. God made you the way you are, Why play god by takeing something to alter the way you feel and\or think of things, Isnt that what makes life interesting? Is anyone not brainwashed by what schools teach you? And no kicking a dog and\or cat isnt something you should do. I was just saying that you can be from, Kicking a dog or cat, or on the level of killing people. And yes, You are right, Paranoia isnt the same as "Insanity" But what exactly is insanity? Insanity is just a term to people who want the easy way out... "You killed 5 people, How do you plead?" "Insanity." "Ok, You goto a jail\hospital for 40 years, See how your doing, ANd your free" . If I ever killed anyone, Excuse me, KILL 5 CHILDREN, I would hope to get the death penalty. But I wouldnt. Killing serves no point. Sorry for my comma's I know their annoying, It was just one run on sentence after another

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Originally posted by davinox and the first to jump at "infedels". and basically, she pissed on Christianity. She thought she was the Anti-Christ! She asked for George Bush to execute her himself, and reveal a 666 on her forhead. The reason she killed her kids was because she interpreted a Bible passage saying a bad mother should be punished by the death of her kids. of course, it is Christianity to "forgive her". still, she pissed on your religion, and she is not a "normal person"

Oh my my, Ok...Hmm..That is a good point. But how was she a bad mother? WHta did she do that was so wrong? Except kill her kids. She was a normal person. She just didnt think logically. And only god can punsih people. So if anything, GOd would punish them in the end by hell.

are you freaken serious....where is God to comfort cancer, AIDS, leukemia, lymphoma, hodgekins, diabetes, blindness, deafness, depression, terrorism, para/quadrapalegics, people with deformities, people who lose loved ones, and all the other horrible things that happen to people each and every day...does this GOD come down and carress these people and speak softly in their ears and tell them , since HE IS GOD, that they have to SUFFER with all their pain even though HE CLAIMS to have the power to cure all....why dont u go take a trip to ST.Judes Childrens Hospital for Cancer and tell me where God is....cus he sure as shit isnt there..

i beleive God put us hear to fend for ourselves..he gave us free will to decide are own paths..we can follow the right one or the wrong one...either or in the end it doesnt even matter... [/B][/QUOTE]


Man, I'm getting hammered tonight!
Ok, Let me say this:
Because people dont have faith.
Have you heard of the New World Order? if so, I wont be dreaming that. The Euro mark is a sign of one GOvernment, And so Is the U.S having a army base in every country, Look on the back of a one dollar bill... Can you translate and translate all of that to enlish for me? (I already know, I just want you to know, But if your to lazy It says New World Order) Look on the dollar bill again. See the eye and the pyramid? Yes. The eye is the government, And the rest of the pyramid is all the countrys in the world. Meanind, We support one government.
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God is with you at all times if you have faith in him. My grand mother, She had a heart attck in, AUgust. Doctor said "She has 3 weeks to live" Science VS God. She is alive right now due to her faith and will to live. She is doing everything she was doing before August.SO HER FAITH AND WILL IS KEEPING HER ALIVE! People with AIDS must be doing something wrong. And I can back that up. And please dont say I hate people with aids, Just hear me out before you go apeshit on me! I have two friends who have AIDS. Ok. One of them is a homosexual. And the other was on Meth. They are the ones who can admit they were wrong in what they did.I pray for them everynight. Just like I pray for everyone else who I love or am aquanted to. I'm not saying I am perfect. I have done things against God. But I asked for forgivness. And hopefully he will accept my apology. And to your "Sick people thing" God does have the power to cure all, But if god wants you to be happier in heaven. He will take you at any moment.

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Originally posted by davinox and the funny thing is, I agree with Michael Russo alot more than I agree with you.

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Originally posted by davinox Michael Russo and I are on the total opposite end of the spectrum, (I am pure Atheist, he is pure Christian.) but Pure-Atheists and Pure-Christains are not ignorant. People that are "inbetween" with loose views on God, religion, etc, are ignorant. These are the people that are Christians, yet believe in Ghosts.... These are the people that believe there is Jesus Christ, but no Hell. These are the people that are Christians, but think they have SOULS. (the bible doesn't mention souls ONCE, when the apocolyspe happens, everyone is resurrected, then judged, and if their name is in the Book of Life, they go to Heaven. None of this soul bullshit.) Either you are pure-religious, or your are not, or you are ignorant.

Hold on a second... There are many ignorant pure-atheists and pure Christians... religion is a very complex issue. Somethings are hard to believe. But I spend time thinking about these things (all sides of the argument) and this doesn't make me ignorant. However, not everyone is like that.

You also have to realize that there is more than one type of atheism. Some aithiests are athiests because after a lot of reflection they conclude that God does not exist. This does not make them bad people. In fact, there are many "good" atheists. We call these people Anonymous Christians.
However, there are also ignorant atheists. These are the people that are too lazy to think and are caught up in the secular values of our world. These people consider themselves "pure athiests" just as much as the ones above. The only difference is that one type of athiest is ignorant and the other is not.
You cannot just assume because you take up one side of the spectrum means that you aren't ignorant.

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Originally posted by davinox People that are "inbetween" with loose views on God, religion, etc, are ignorant. These are the people that are Christians, yet believe in Ghosts.... These are the people that believe there is Jesus Christ, but no Hell. These are the people that are Christians, but think they have SOULS. (the bible doesn't mention souls ONCE, when the apocolyspe happens, everyone is resurrected, then judged, and if their name is in the Book of Life, they go to Heaven. None of this soul bullshit.) Either you are pure-religious, or your are not, or you are ignorant.

I don't know about this either... for the majority, probably yes. But other people may not be ignorant and question their religion. This is a good thing. For example, heresies... although they are bad, they are always started with good intentions. It is natural for us to question issues of our faith.

BTW, I don't mean to be picky, but just so no one gets confused... In Christianity we believe that all humans do have souls, and right after we die our bodies as well as our soulds resurrect.
We don't believe in ghosts though

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Originally posted by extulas . when people hear the word abortion they don't seem to see it as KILLING INOCENT BABIES. Do people have any respect for life. For what god has created. You say well shouldnt a mother have the right to choose. TO choose to kill inocent life? I dont know about that one. how can the same people fighting to abolish the death penilty be for Abortion.

I agree... what this woman did is no different than what people do each day... legally kill their babies.

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Originally posted by davinox http://www.jestercourt.com/~capella/aguide/ should give you a brief glimpse why Religion (namely Christianity) is total bullshit.

I went through that site, and its bullshit. There are no arguments as to why you shouldn't believe in God. The best is that guy's explanation as to why he became an athiest. For example, "God was the parental figure that my inner child wished for and didn't exist"... well, in Christianity, we do not believe God is a parental figure, or a teddy bear, or anything like that.
Another example, "All this time in the back of my head were things that I didn't want to think too much about because they were uncomfortable. The fact that at the time (the 70s) they were discovering many early protohuman skeletal fossils was contrary to what my church taught and bothered me a little. I felt there had to be an explanation." Who cares if the story of Adam & Eve was made up? The whole Olt Testament was probably made up, but thats not important. We believe that there are many different possible forms of creation, all aided from God. If God was not involved, how can you explain that something was created out of nothing? Something had to create matter, it didn't just appear. Something had to make humans intelligent. It also doesn't matter if God created the world slowly and "evolved" us up to our present state.

And all those bible quotes... first of all, 99% are from the Old Testament... the essence of Christianity is in the New Testament. Plus, the quotes are taken out of context... we all know that even the devil can quote scripture for his evil purposes.

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Originally posted by Devbert I prayed to God for a new bike, then I realized he didn't work that way, so I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.

Yeah, but if you were really sorry you'd give the bike back.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 UM...wasnt it GOD that gave us FREE WILL....yes it was...so the negates your whole little theory above.

Huh???? Yeah, we got free will, so we can choose... choose to ask God for help.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 why dont u go take a trip to ST.Judes Childrens Hospital for Cancer and tell me where God is....cus he sure as shit isnt there..

Yeah, He is. Suffering brings us closer to God... it's a call to "share in the redemptive sacrifice of Christ." Those people in the hospital are going to die soon. Suffering gives them a chance to find God so that they can live in happiness forever. I'd rather be in Heaven forever then on Earth.

I guess I will shut up now. Good job Micheal Russo

I agree... what this woman did is no different than what people do each day... legally kill their babies.

When you have gone through pregnancy, labor pains, and giving birth, I'd love to here your views on abortion.

Also, I didn't really steal a bike. That was just an interesting quote I found. Hehe.

And did you just state that "God evolved us"? Where have you been getting your info from?

That site is bullshit in your opinion. Just because you say so doesn't make it true. It has a lot of views that conflict with yours, which doesn't surprise me that you oppose it. That's your right.

"Suffering brings us close to God"? Yeah, that's an intelligent statement. Because God wants us to go through horrible amounts of pain. He works in mysterious ways. And he loves us. But if we don't love him back, he makes us suffer and burn for all eternity. But he still loves us.

And you don't have to be Ultra-Religous, Atheist, or Ignorant. What you believe is a personnal decision. Being incredibly biased towards one point of view is being ignorant, not debating what to believe in.

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Originally posted by Devbert I agree... what this woman did is no different than what people do each day... legally kill their babies. When you have gone through pregnancy, labor pains, and giving birth, I'd love to here your views on abortion. Also, I didn't really steal a bike. That was just an interesting quote I found. Hehe. And did you just state that "God evolved us"? Where have you been getting your info from? That site is bullshit in your opinion. Just because you say so doesn't make it true. It has a lot of views that conflict with yours, which doesn't surprise me that you oppose it. That's your right. "Suffering brings us close to God"? Yeah, that's an intelligent statement. Because God wants us to go through horrible amounts of pain. He works in mysterious ways. And he loves us. But if we don't love him back, he makes us suffer and burn for all eternity. But he still loves us. And you don't have to be Ultra-Religous, Atheist, or Ignorant. What you believe is a personnal decision. Being incredibly biased towards one point of view is being ignorant, not debating what to believe in.

WELL SAID =)

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Originally posted by biznology i think its cheaper and shittier in jail...

for govment it's much more expensive than frying her. 40 years of feeding that bitch - that is much more than to supply a couple kilovolts for 10 seconds

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Originally posted by tiesto14 not that i beleive in souls...but for arguements sake..what then does go to "heaven"...your mind?...

nothing... nada. when you're dead - you're dead. just a bunch of dead cells just like any other being on this planet (whether you want it or nor)

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that was an ignorant statement in itself....so your saying that if you dont worship some God or say fuck it there is no God or religion then you are ignorant?...thats a joke....

that's the last resort of trying to convince another person about the absolute righteousness of christianity - saying that "ohhh... i thought you were smarter" without any convincing arguments.

when people blindly believe in "let the god guide your path in this life blablabla" - it's only because they don't have the guts to come through this life all by themselves without someone's constant guideness. this way people really become like sheep with no place for selfmade decisions in their lives, guided by an imaginary character.

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Originally posted by extulas And Jitler would not have hated the Jews if they didnt abandon god... The whole war wouldnt have happened!

THAT IS RIDICULOUS!!!! STUDY HISTORY FIRST!!!

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Originally posted by Devbert When you have gone through pregnancy, labor pains, and giving birth, I'd love to here your views on abortion.

I think abortion is murder. Going through all of that would only strengthen my opinion.

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Originally posted by Devbert Also, I didn't really steal a bike. That was just an interesting quote I found. Hehe.

Yeah, that quote was interesting... interesting how people can actually believe it. The problem with it is that it is a misinformed quote that makes Christianity look bad. Other people that are misinformed hear people saying this, and suddenly they come to the brilliant conclusion that Christianity is propaganda... when, in reality, it isn't. If you are sorry for stealing a bike, you give it back... if you don't you aren't forgiven. It's that simple. There's no "pretending" to be sorry. Last I checked you couldn't fool God.

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Originally posted by Devbert And did you just state that "God evolved us"? Where have you been getting your info from?

I never said He evolved us, I said it was possible that He did. I get my info from my brain, first of all. This in no way contradicts any part of Christianity, so it seems fine to me. Then I check with the Magisterium. And they teach the same thing. So I get my info from the right places.

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Originally posted by Devbert That site is bullshit in your opinion. Just because you say so doesn't make it true. It has a lot of views that conflict with yours, which doesn't surprise me that you oppose it. That's your right.

I know I'm right, and I can prove it. Give me some examples and I'll disprove your opinion and that site.

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Originally posted by Devbert "Suffering brings us close to God"? Yeah, that's an intelligent statement. Because God wants us to go through horrible amounts of pain. He works in mysterious ways. And he loves us. But if we don't love him back, he makes us suffer and burn for all eternity. But he still loves us.

God would rather us go through pain on Earth than infinite pain in Hell... in all evil and suffering there is a chance that good will come from it. Many people that are suffering turn towards God, and eternal happiness is their reward. Those that already believe don't turn away. There are still some people who suffer and don't turn to God, but the opportunity was there and it is their choice. Also, don't think you have to believe in God to go to Heaven. You don't have to knowingly "love Him back." You just have to be a good person.

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Originally posted by Devbert And you don't have to be Ultra-Religous, Atheist, or Ignorant. What you believe is a personnal decision. Being incredibly biased towards one point of view is being ignorant, not debating what to believe in.

Hold on a second, you lost me there... it is actually debating that led me to believe in God, and I'm doing the same thing now. Of course I'm biased towards my opinion, I believe it! But I am debating it.

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Originally posted by Jocker that's the last resort of trying to convince another person about the absolute righteousness of christianity - saying that "ohhh... i thought you were smarter" without any convincing arguments.

Ahh... another misinformed opinion. There are many convincing arguments! Why do you think I believe? Not cause I'm scared or because I "don't have the guts to come through this life all by... [myself] without someone's constant guideness". I believe because the arguments convinced me.

Go to the library and read some books by Thomas Aquinas. I'd love to see you honestly tell me that you think his proofs of the existence of God hold no ground.

And just in case you don't know who Thomas was, he's one of the smartest men to ever live.

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Originally posted by Michael Russo Go to the library and read some books by Thomas Aquinas. I'd love to see you honestly tell me that you think his proofs of the existence of God hold no ground. And just in case you don't know who Thomas was, he's one of the smartest men to ever live.

i personally think that there is a difference between "believe" and "know"... what someone doesn't know (it can't be 100% proved), he believes in. if someone will prove the existence of god, there will be no religion anymore (cuz you cannot believe and know at the same time... it's just one of these). so it really amuzes me when people are trying to find a scientific explanation of what god is. if you believe in him - just believe, if you don't - just don't.

p.s. Thomas Aquinas might be incredibly smart, but that is an exception rather than the rule. for the wast majority, religion is just another excuse of ignorance.

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Originally posted by Jocker i personally think that there is a difference between "believe" and "know"... what someone doesn't know (it can't be 100% proved), he believes in.

There are many things that can't be 100% proved... think of a court case. A man can be condemned to life imprisonment as long as the jury believes him to be guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt." (not 100%)

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Originally posted by Jocker if someone will prove the existence of god, there will be no religion anymore (cuz you cannot believe and know at the same time... it's just one of these).

I see your point, but I disagree. Just because you know that God exists doesn't mean that you should forget about religion and not worship Him anymore... in reality its the opposite. If you know He exists, there's even more reason to do His Will.

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Originally posted by Jocker so it really amuzes me when people are trying to find a scientific explanation of what god is. if you believe in him - just believe, if you don't - just don't.

I'm not trying to find a scientific explanation of God. But there is a scientific explanation of the things that He created... that's why science is so complicated. Look at a strand of DNA... wow.

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Originally posted by Jocker p.s. Thomas Aquinas might be incredibly smart, but that is an exception rather than the rule. for the wast majority, religion is just another excuse of ignorance.

Yup... that is unfortunately the case. I wouldn't call him an exception though... there are many that believed just like him for reasons just like him... but still, not enough.

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Originally posted by Michael Russo There are many things that can't be 100% proved... think of a court case. A man can be condemned to life imprisonment as long as the jury believes him to be guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt." (not 100%)

LOL....they are PROOVED guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a prosecuter showing FACTUAL evidence...bad example there..

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Originally posted by Jocker for govment it's much more expensive than frying her. 40 years of feeding that bitch - that is much more than to supply a couple kilovolts for 10 seconds

That is so sad, But so true

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Originally posted by tiesto14 LOL....they are PROOVED guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a prosecuter showing FACTUAL evidence...bad example there..

No, you are not PROVEN guilty. If you were proven guilty, there would be absolutely no question that you committed the crime and should be held legally accountable for it. But no one is 100% sure, not all court cases are black and white... why do you think people are given new trials after they are supposedly proven guilty?

I'm not trying to find a scientific explanation of God. But there is a scientific explanation of the things that He created... that's why science is so complicated. Look at a strand of DNA... wow.

Science and God actually come into direct contradiction with each other. Evolution vs. Creationism is a very nice example.

Also, according to the bible (Christian God Perspective), the Dinosaurs never could have existed. I guess Satan planted huge skeletons of humongous beasts in order to trick us, and lead us away from God. Yeah. Right.

Also, there is no proof that God created anything. That is a debate of once again Evolution vs. Creationism. ]

LOL, I love it. God created DNA That's just too much.

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If you belief in a creed, and follow it, you are not ignorant.
If you choose to believe in no creed, and learn what can be observed/figured out, you are not ignorant.
If you believe whatever you want to believe and you just believe things you were taught that sound good, you are ignorant.

that is my oppinion. by the way, Michael Russo, I think what you said about Athiests is very true.
But the second type of Atheists are not REAL Atheists. They are just ignorant, and do not know what to believe.

TRUE Atheists, like myself, have concluded that there is no God, and if there is a God of somesorts, it doesn't matter, because he does not conclude in our affairs or judge us.

2) Andrea Yates: she will suffer in jail. justice will be served. For HER sake, however, i would execute her. the rest of her life will be a living hell.
and she will NOT be very confortable in jail, trust me.... she will be in torment.

If you believe whatever you want to believe and you just believe things you were taught that sound good, you are ignorant.

I agree with the second part (you just believe things you were taught that sound good), but believing whatever you want to believe is what life is all about. It is a personnal decision, and as long as your a good person, I'm all for freedom of belief.

Black and white are just two sides of the spectrum, there's a whole shitload of gray in the middle.

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Originally posted by Devbert Science and God actually come into direct contradiction with each other. Evolution vs. Creationism is a very nice example.

They come into contradiction with each other? According to who? Not me... or, for that matter, the Roman Catholic Church. In my opinion, all of our scientific discoveries reaffirm the necessity of God. Yes, look at a strand of DNA, and tell me that it could have accidentally been made... yeah... some matter flew together, and suddenly we have genetic code? I don't think so.

BTW, Theistic Evolution is taught by the Church... so there's obviously no contradiction there.

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Originally posted by Devbert Also, according to the bible (Christian God Perspective), the Dinosaurs never could have existed. I guess Satan planted huge skeletons of humongous beasts in order to trick us, and lead us away from God. Yeah. Right.

Hahaha. Yeah, Satan... he's a funny guy

But really, I don't see what the problem is... why can't dinosaurs exist? Does it contradict some aspect of Christian faith? I don't see how.
Everyone knows the Adam & Eve story is made up... but for argument's sake let's say it isn't. God created animals (like dinosaurs) before humans. So what's the problem?

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Originally posted by Devbert Also, there is no proof that God created anything.

Yes, there is no proof (as in being 100% certain). But it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. And that's enough.

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Originally posted by davinox [B]Religion: If you belief in a creed, and follow it, you are not ignorant. If you choose to believe in no creed, and learn what can be observed/figured out, you are not ignorant. If you believe whatever you want to believe and you just believe things you were taught that sound good, you are ignorant.

For the most part, I'd say yes... but there are exceptions.

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Originally posted by davinox TRUE Atheists, like myself, have concluded that there is no God, and if there is a God of somesorts, it doesn't matter, because he does not conclude in our affairs or judge us.

Ahh.. now you're not an athiest anymore, you're a partial deist. The problem with deism is that it's "the easy way out" since deists acknowledge God, but don't work to develop a relationship with Him.

Going back to what you said earlier:

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Originally posted by davinox If you choose to believe in no creed, and learn what can be observed/figured out, you are not ignorant.

You can still be ignorant if you don't make enough of an attempt to learn/observe/figure out. A lot can be learned through reason... I'd just give Aquinas' proofs of the existance of God a chance. If you go through them and choose to not believe based on any reason besides "I just don't want to" or "I'm too lazy", then you definately aren't ignorant.

Too touch up on a few of your responses:

They come into contradiction with each other? According to who? Not me... or, for that matter, the Roman Catholic Church. In my opinion, all of our scientific discoveries reaffirm the necessity of God. Yes, look at a strand of DNA, and tell me that it could have accidentally been made... yeah... some matter flew together, and suddenly we have genetic code? I don't think so.

See, according to science, a little thing called the resurrection couldn't have taken place. And to say that Genetic Code was created by God is just hilarious. God felt it necessary to give us DNA? C'mon.

But really, I don't see what the problem is... why can't dinosaurs exist? Does it contradict some aspect of Christian faith? I don't see how.
Everyone knows the Adam & Eve story is made up... but for argument's sake let's say it isn't. God created animals (like dinosaurs) before humans. So what's the problem?

The length of the Earth's existence is why science contradicts religion when it comes to the dinosaurs. According to the bible, there is no way that the earth could have existed for tens of millions of years. Yet Dinosaur fossils are scientifically proven to be millions of years old. Another case in which science contradicts religion.

But it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt

Ok, please prove beyond a resonable doubt that God created stuff. I'd like living proof too please, not textual references to the bible or ideologies about faith.

Ahh.. now you're not an athiest anymore, you're a partial deist. The problem with deism is that it's "the easy way out" since deists acknowledge God, but don't work to develop a relationship with Him.


Who are you to say what type of relationship God wants with people? Most people undervalue God if he does exist. It's always "God please help me out and I'll always go to church" or "God please give me this ferrari, It's what I always wanted." People grovel and plead to much with God. For that matter, who says God wants a direct relationship with us? It's all just personnal interpretation, so there is no definite right or wrong.

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Originally posted by Michael Russo But there is always the possibility of repentance so she should not be robbed of her life and her ability to change.

I agree. Its not our place to execute criminals. Clearly she has a sickness. Anyone who could harm innocent children or another human being is sick in a way. She has to live with it, live and let live I say.

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Originally posted by Devbert See, according to science, a little thing called the resurrection couldn't have taken place.

I wouldn't call the Resurrection little. But yeah, that defies science... that's why its called a miracle. God created science, so He's obviously above it.

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Originally posted by Devbert And to say that Genetic Code was created by God is just hilarious. God felt it necessary to give us DNA? C'mon.

That reference to DNA and genetic code was just an example. But, since you think its so "hilarious", answer this: what's more funny? That God created genetic code, or that it magically appeared out of nowhere?

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Originally posted by Devbert The length of the Earth's existence is why science contradicts religion when it comes to the dinosaurs. According to the bible, there is no way that the earth could have existed for tens of millions of years. Yet Dinosaur fossils are scientifically proven to be millions of years old. Another case in which science contradicts religion.

According to the Bible? Please give me a book and chapter and verse number in the New Testament that says this. It doesn't matter how long the Earth has existed. The Catholic Church teaches that it is possible that God created the Earth and very slowly, out of a single celled organism, created/ evolved humans.

I fail to see a contradiction.

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Originally posted by Devbert Ok, please prove beyond a resonable doubt that God created stuff. I'd like living proof too please, not textual references to the bible or ideologies about faith.

Thomas Aquinas wrote it all down. And he can explain it a lot better than I can.

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Originally posted by Devbert Who are you to say what type of relationship God wants with people? Most people undervalue God if he does exist. It's always "God please help me out and I'll always go to church" or "God please give me this ferrari, It's what I always wanted." People grovel and plead to much with God. For that matter, who says God wants a direct relationship with us?

Some people don't know how to have the right relationship with God. That's why its called a relationship... if you don't treat your girlfriend properly what happens? If you demand from God but don't do anything He wants you to do the same will happen.

As to your question about whether God wants a relationship with His people, the answer is simple - If God did not want us, we wouldn't be here right now, or He wouldn't have made us in the first place. It's all out of love... and it isn't true love unless both parties love each other mutually.

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