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Originally posted by dj_kane substorm is the only one with sensible replies on this. im with him on many points if they stop signing trance (which they won't) but if they did theres still going to be a label that will sign it and sell it. no one can say a genre is dead or dying, no genre ever does. hardcore still has its fan base and that supposedly was dead about 10 years ago. all this talk about one genre is harder to produce than another is nonsense. all genres are hard to produce, if their easy your not putting enough work into it. i personally feel trance is the most challenging as it there has to be things happening constantly. whereas with it, imo, contantly repeats itself and doesnt have the fullfilling flow of uplifting trance. but that is my opinion alot of people like house and probably feel im talking shit. at the end of the day trance will outlive all of us just like classical outlived beethoven.

Well said!

One of the reasons i fel in love with trance, was the powerful and melodic essence mixed with the high tempo bpm that made me feel shivers, and thats what i am to trying to mirror in my productions, cus for me that is TRANCE, not. electro or whatever all the subgenres are.

As i metioned before, is that we are discussing the wrong thing here. Most of us future producers here do this cus we love it, not becuse we make money of it, and i think that is good, why? Well if we continue to do it, it will never die! If the labels would have had all us under contract, then probobly it would have.

So while the big labels are focused on making money on trying to sign the next big hit with "that" unique sound and just going with the flow, new labels are popping up, screaming for our material. So in the long end, the "big" lables will fall back again, when they realise what good tracks they have just let passed trough. So if any of us will make it to the top doing our thing, why change it?

But lets face it, there isnt any big money for us trance producers out there. The big money goes to the labels and the big Dj�s that gets the credit, shure you will get some, you "15 minutes of fame", but not that you will be able to make a living on it.. right? You need to be a really good dj as well, and have the economy to dedicate your self completely to the music. I whish i could, and maybe one day when i win the lottery, i could do it . Im just happy if i get a fan group of ten.

Regaring all you who talk about supersaws are outdated, the new thing is electro and bla bla bla... Are you a "trancaddict" or a "trendaddict". I mean, if you just liten to a really good trance tune with a massive supersaw today, will you say that its outdated becuse of that? or just becuse you feel that you want impress your "trendy" friends, and say 'listen to this new sound'? Does that mean you are dedicated to trance as a "tranceaddict" or are you just here to complain on the producers that makes this type of music and doesnt feel your needs to hear a new sound? Maybe you are a "soundaddict"! If so you are at the wrong place my friend, and the same goes to you who says electro is what i like, and house..etc etc! This may piss off some in here, but i dont care as much as i would have if Bin ladin was killed.

My point? We are in a forum that is called Tranceaddict.com, and the reason i became a member here was becuse i love trance music and i wanted to share it with the rest of the world, and made me wanna start producing my self. So if you love house, fine, but what are you doing here? If you love electro, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE!?

The majority here are producing pure melodic/prog TRANCE, so why are you here telling the producers that thaur tracks are "outdated" just becuse we dont follow the trend. And that comes to my next point. If you dont know how to rate a track and be objective, dont do it! Cus it is always easy to say that it isnt good when you dont like it becuse of what it is or cus it has a sertain sound, cus remeber, it takes 10 good comments to correct one bad, so be nice to the producers that spends many hours on making a track, and struggle to make atleast one digital release. Dont make him doubt on him self just becuse you are a house junkie!


Cheers
C

Does anyone here know how to use the handy "search" function? There are plenty of threads with this same, obnoxious topic.

Trance is dead... big deal... there's nothing new under the sun: idiots can make money; fags can pose as definitive artists; media will cater to stupid people; stupid people will watch M-TV instead of discover music for themselves.

"The person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know that." - Agent K

And oh yeah... you can't say "crap" without saying "rap".

I use to be a resident dj at ministry of sound. I would get into heated arguments about house vs trance. Real house fans are a pain in the ass and they are stuck up and absolutely hate trance. After djing for a long time you get to see the ugly side behind it. On the forums its all good, people are not THAT personal about it, but on the dance floor when you it is a house crowd and you drop a sweet trance tune, they act like you killed someone from their family or something, fucking pricks. This made me stick to trance even more and I willl always love it. Fuck house

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Originally posted by Krispy Kreme Fuck house

+1

Trance is waning


GET READY FOR THE RISE OF PSY!!!!!!

Making trance is relatively easy

Making something new and unexpected....now that is hard

I just woke up from recovery of a double shift party weekend, both nights were quite trancy and I danced my ass off. I'm so friggin sore amd my ears are ringing quite nastily. I don't think we have anything to worry about with all this music is dying stuff. The parties I just got back from weren't full on epic 1999 love, but more a hybirdized thing. On friday there was kinda hard techy trance, and saturday I saw DJ micro, who did this whole trance/prog/electro thing that worked nicely.

DJ micro plyed at the local pop club, when the buildup from 4 strings - into the night came on all the kids from the pop room flooded in and started screaming, people still love trance im sure of it. The climax wasn't an an epic one though, after the snare roll the song cut into an electro buzzy thing, and it was great fun. I think this is what we are dealing with now, trance made a mark on this music that is never going to dissapear, even if the genre is not selling so well, there are still elements of the music we love present in today's music, and people are still going crazy for it.

I'm sure prog fans would have classified that night as prog, electro fans might call it 'electro', and I of course thought it was trancetastic. It doesn't matter though, it was fucking awesome, my fav set of 2006(that I have personally attended) so far.

We should try not to worry about this so much, trance isnt going anywhere, its just getting chopped up and interleaved with other stuff, which has been the circle of life for this type of music since the beggining. I really do want to hear a new iconic epic trancer tune that gives one of those hair raising moments though, I'm sure somebody will pull it off eventually but there is still great fun out there in the mean time.

I <3 psytrance. IM, Skazi, and Shpongle are kings =D

You could say everything in life is dying really.. the less people that are keeping a legacy alive, the less of a life it has. I draw ansi art on the side of writing trance, which supposedly 'died' when the internet took over bbs's. Trance is not dying, nor will it ever be dead, as long as people support it.

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Originally posted by DigiNut There's one aspect you're missing though, which is that house really is harder to produce. And I'm not saying that out of disrespect to anyone, I think producing is hard in general, but trance evolved from techno which was always made on computers, and house evolved from disco which wasn't. One of the more difficult aspects of producing is making it sound not-so-computerized, and that's more of a necessity in house.

Actually, trance evolved from house. Techno evolved from garage. In the beginning house tracks were nothing more than drum machine programs, because thats all there was. Then, with more technology, producers started making more progressive house tracks which came to be known as progressive house. Then these tracks took some emphasis away from the beat and put it on the melodic aspects. This became known as trance. So really, prog trance is just moving back around the circle toward house. Later, house will come back around to trance.

Also, electro is not new. Electro was big in the early nineties. No one now is the first to discover it. Again, its a cycle.

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Also, electro is not new. Electro was big in the early nineties. No one now is the first to discover it. Again, its a cycle.

really really shitty house was big in the early-mid nineties too. house was on the top40 all over the world from early to mid nineties

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Originally posted by mysticalninja . really really shitty house was big in the early-mid nineties too. house was on the top40 all over the world from early to mid nineties

I still listen to house.

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A house hit can sell 15,000 singles. A trance hit is lucky to sell 4,000. Why? Because arguably 60-70% of those would be sales are lost to the click of a button.

It's one explanation, but I don't think it's the full story. Here's some more theories:

1) All the "rave" genres (thinking trance, dnb, hardcore, hardstyle and the like) generally make good event music precisely for the reasons why they make relatively poor club music. The rave slots get taken up by established names, and none of these genres fit warmup slots, so where do the newbie rave genre DJs play? Well, in most cases, they don't. A fledgling electro house DJ is a different matter - a club might give them a warmup slot.

2) In the early noughties a whole bunch of bedroom DJs worked out that they weren't going to get a guernsey and stopped buying vinyl. Distributors began to go bankrupt, and vinyl's future looked uncertain...but those club DJs were still buying house, so no wonder the sales figures look like they do.

3) Trance, dnb and happy hardcore are all "power" music, trying to slam a wall of harmonics at you, like classical or metal, as opposed to "groovey" music alluding to disco/funk/jazz as most club music attempts to be. All well and good. But "power" music has a lot worse consequences if stuffed up; if you don't know enough music theory and produce something cheesey (and let's face it, the vast majority of dance music producers are described by this), people will leave the dancefloor. DJs are left sorting through piles of drivel, and some of the drivel inevitably sneaks into their sets because there's so much of it. Stuff up "groovey" music like house and the worst that might happen is people get bored, and cheer at the introduction of a flipping high hat. "Groovey" stuff also has a veneer of sophistication, which enhances the credibility of the genre, and therefore it's fashionability (which affects journalism, whose opinions cascade down to promoters, DJs and punters).

Add all this together, and you can see why rave music is in the fix that it's in, even though it may be beloved by punters.

In my opinion, there are still some great trance tracks being produced. I think the A State Of Trance hit factory hasn't helped, its drowned trance with so much crap. John O'Callaghan and a few other poorly made vsti enhanced trance; kill the scene! Seems that if it is played on ASOT, it becomes automatically fashionable and people buy it no matter how rubbish it is!

I think that the current state of trance is a global phenomenon, evident in all genres of music.
I also try to see the big picture.
The whole "music industry" is going through huge changes mostly because of the advance of computer technology and internet. The big bosses are struggling to find a way to make big bucks like in the good old days.
But, those times won't come back soon. What we're seeing is an emphasis of a mix of arts produced by individual creators, bringing his/her own contributions to the media world consisting of multiple dimensions. The key is in cooperation and merging of media to create extraordinary content. Music, video, tactile technologies mixed to create unique environments.
It's hard to isolate just one aspect of art and talk about its demise. It's all connected nowadays, just like we're all connected through this forum and affect each other.
The real question is, what is it that you really want from the technology revolution that's happening right now?
I bet that most of you don't have an immediate answer.
Do you come to this forum to learn and become the next AvB just to be famous?
Is it the money that comes with the fame that is the real fuel?
Is it that you want to boost your ego and attract other people by bragging about your 'producer' status?
Is it a mix of all of these?
Or is it just a hobby that provides personal down time, satisfaction and pleasure?
Start by answering these questions honestly and then you might realize that it doesn't really matter what you create as long as you're satisfied and true to yourself in what you want to achieve...

Trance will never die. It goes and will continue to go through evolution whether we like it or not. So far the evolution has been dictated by sales and money. We can just hope that in the near future the trend will change and we will as smart individuals know how to recognize real art and separate if from trendiness and massive advertising brainwashing campaign.
Cheers

Trance IS Dead.... I am a ZOMBIE

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Originally posted by gr8ape Trance is waning GET READY FOR THE RISE OF PSY!!!!!! Making trance is relatively easy Making something new and unexpected....now that is hard

+1 psy all the way baby

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Originally posted by Lindo I <3 psytrance. IM, Skazi, and Shpongle are kings =D

uuuhhhh, IM and skazi is not psy, its shit pop music, and as for shpongle, ye there psy but more expiremental.

u want psy... check out astrix or talamasca

fu. psy is pop music.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja fu. psy is class A music.

fixed

Skazi has always been pop. IM is crap now, but they used to be good (before deeply disturbed).

why does everybody act like psytrance is new? its been being created for quite a while. it was just called goa before.

I've heard Astrix before, but not the other. IM's new stuff isn't as great but it seems as though all music going through a "let me make some money" phase so it'll suck.

False

IM is crap now? Thats the stupidest statement ever, their productions are incredible now, of course not the same feel as the old stuff, but its very respectable in its own style. IM is on a big rise right now, if you think theyre getting commercial, it may be partly true, but that doesnt mean their still the ONE and ONLY Infected Mushroom.

IM rules

No questions asked

Ill even make a statement that will get some of you all pms and angry:
Infected mushroom is the GREATEST electronic music band that has ever existed up to now.

And astrix rules too.

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Originally posted by Enigmatic XTC why does everybody act like psytrance is new? its been being created for quite a while. it was just called goa before.

I get the impression that there is a difference. Isn't Goa more "Spiritual", whereas Psy is more Trippy.

BTW

Another vote here for Astrix although I'd say that "Artcore" is a better listen than "Eye to Eye".

Andy

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