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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery You can't really say any program is crap if you can properly use them... think about that Hell, I could easily say that all hardware is useless and pure shite just because I don't know how to use them... OF COURSE software can't make sounds anywhere near as hardware, but that is not to say they are crap. They give us (poor 18-year-old students) the possibility to make our dreams come true without needing to spend all our money on to something that would be gathering dust on some corner because it would be too hard to use...

I have thought about it. And I'm 18, And I have lots of equiptment. I love my equiptment more then anything. And their sure as hell not collecting dust.

...and your point is?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery ...and your point is?

he's being original.

Excuse him for being original!


PS mauro doesn't use fruityloops lol

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Originally posted by Pjotr G PS mauro doesn't use fruityloops lol

Corz he does

Rob - Yea i am actually...! I have no real arguement here, i just wanna piss this guy off!

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[Dan]

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery ...and your point is?

Make some sense when you talk.

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Originally posted by extulas Make some sense when you talk.

great thread

I think I'm gonna stop reading this thread right about now.
*cut*

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Originally posted by Peter Campbell great thread

Was their a point? What did he want me to explian? What didnt make sense to even the most ilogical person?

hmmm... American producer with the IQ of patio furniture vs. a community of European producers?

gee, I wonder who will win?

There's not much I can say that hasn't already been said in this thread.

I think is mostly comes down to the fact that software is good. While it might still be a little behind hardware for producing good synths, it is becoming quite effective for sequencing and drum loops (if you're working with the right sample sets). Hardware is still the best tho for making a good trance synth. I regularly use Reason, and I haven't been able to make a solid trance synth using the Subtractor. The NN19 sampler is a little better because I can import samples from REAL synths, and it can sound pretty good. I got a few JP-8000 samples and I have duplicated the intro for Airwave almost perfectly.

But calling software crap is just wrong, because it can be a really powerful tool if you can use it properly.

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Originally posted by Mosaic hmmm... American producer with the IQ of patio furniture vs. a community of European producers? gee, I wonder who will win? There's not much I can say that hasn't already been said in this thread. I think is mostly comes down to the fact that software is good. While it might still be a little behind hardware for producing good synths, it is becoming quite effective for sequencing and drum loops (if you're working with the right sample sets). Hardware is still the best tho for making a good trance synth. I regularly use Reason, and I haven't been able to make a solid trance synth using the Subtractor. The NN19 sampler is a little better because I can import samples from REAL synths, and it can sound pretty good. I got a few JP-8000 samples and I have duplicated the intro for Airwave almost perfectly. But calling software crap is just wrong, because it can be a really powerful tool if you can use it properly.

Alright, What is so good about them?! You can download them from warez groups?! Is that it? Just cause a producer says he\she has cubase or whatever doesnt mean they use them for everything in the world. And I'm not american, I live in America yes. Thank you. I dont think I have my head that far up my ass like you do.I honesstly done see how this turned into such a big arguement. Isnt you8r country freedom of speech and opinion? Hardware will always be better then software. The only reason why people buy software is cause their suckers. Suckers for corporate america.

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Originally posted by extulas I honesstly done see how this turned into such a big arguement. Isnt you8r country freedom of speech and opinion?

DUH
You make a "controversial" (apparently) remark on a DISCUSSION BOARD. Strange, that people actually start to discuss huh? And now your calling people who use software suckers. That's pretty lame. You say someone who uses Cubase doesn't necessarily have to use it in a creative way? (that's how I understood it) Same goes for hardware. period.

And nobody's emprisoning you or arresting you for violating "freedom of speech". Some people can yak geez.

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Originally posted by Pjotr G DUH You make a "controversial" (apparently) remark on a DISCUSSION BOARD. Strange, that people actually start to discuss huh? And now your calling people who use software suckers. That's pretty lame. You say someone who uses Cubase doesn't necessarily have to use it in a creative way? (that's how I understood it) Same goes for hardware. period. And nobody's emprisoning you or arresting you for violating "freedom of speech". Some people can yak geez.

How is this "controversial"? I have never heard anything good come Fruity Looops or Reason. So therefore it gives me the reason to think its a waste of money\time to download. Maybe its just the kids in Conn who think their the shit because they have a program.

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How is this "controversial"? I have never heard anything good come Fruity Looops or Reason. So therefore it gives me the reason to think its a waste of money\time to download. Maybe its just the kids in Conn who think their the shit because they have a program.

Soo... you have an opinion.

AND THAT'S ALL IT IS, FOR F**K'S SAKE!!!!!!

You are flaming us because we express our opinions, yet you think we have no right to tell our opinion about YOUR opinion?!?!?!?

I'd say something about typical americans here but I wont, it would be too easy.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Soo... you have an opinion. AND THAT'S ALL IT IS, FOR F**K'S SAKE!!!!!! You are flaming us because we express our opinions, yet you think we have no right to tell our opinion about YOUR opinion?!?!?!? I'd say something about typical americans here but I wont, it would be too easy.

I dont care about other peoples opinions. People have different feelings about everything. I'm not "flaming" anyone from doing anything. Its just a general observation I have made about the piece of software. Please explain how people on any Unix OS are suppose to use these piece's of software. Or anyone else on a open source OS. And yes it would be to easy.

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Originally posted by extulas I dont care about other peoples opinions. People have different feelings about everything. I'm not "flaming" anyone from doing anything. Its just a general observation I have made about the piece of software. Please explain how people on any Unix OS are suppose to use these piece's of software. Or anyone else on a open source OS. And yes it would be to easy.

Well, why does it matter if open source OS people can use it or not? you seem to hate software in general, despite the fact you've never taken the time to learn about it and take advantage of it like most trance producers already have.

Now, your little argument over open source OS music software is really a much greater argument concerning all software, most stuff gets released on Windows, get over it. I don't like it, but I live with it.

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Originally posted by Mosaic Well, why does it matter if open source OS people can use it or not? you seem to hate software in general, despite the fact you've never taken the time to learn about it and take advantage of it like most trance producers already have. Now, your little argument over open source OS music software is really a much greater argument concerning all software, most stuff gets released on Windows, get over it. I don't like it, but I live with it.

What a bunch of Yes men. Do you know how many trance artist are in this world? Have you ever heard of Kraftwerk? If you haven't. Buy\download a song by them. And tell me how they use their analog equiptment to the max. You wont hear one computer application sound or whatever you want to call it in their songs. Sounds alot better that way then having a computer do the work for you.

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Originally posted by extulas I have never heard anything good come Fruity Looops or Reason. So therefore it gives me the reason to think its a waste of money\time to download.

You may have never heard anything good come out of FL or Reason, but you have definately heard good stuff come out of other programs, like sequencers like cubase, logic, cw sonar.. I'd really like to see someone have the same control and freedom over sequencing a track, with multiple midi and sound tracks, processing filters, setting real time control paths, looping, altering, perfecting, all on a hardware sequencer. It may physically be possible, but why on earth would you want to, when technology is allowing us to do it so much easier, with more control, while maintaining perfect sound quality. You should really be more open to software, it has many advantages over harware.

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What a bunch of Yes men. Do you know how many trance artist are in this world? Have you ever heard of Kraftwerk? If you haven't. Buy\download a song by them. And tell me how they use their analog equiptment to the max. You wont hear one computer application sound or whatever you want to call it in their songs. Sounds alot better that way then having a computer do the work for you

1. The computer doesn't do the work.
Software is not something you put on and say "do a track for me"...

2. Kraftwerk? You mean the band that did a tune called "ComputerLove"?

Bleh

this is the DUMBIST post i have ever read.... what you use isint what matters its how you use it.. if you suck useing software then you with suck with whatever you use. a talented producer could make a pro sounding track on freakin fast tracker (altho its uncommen i have seen it happin) but as i said i have hear people with truckloads of gear that put out crap that i would mistake for a FT file playing at 8bit... i am not backin up anything. if you like soft, great! you like hard? all the power to ya. but theres no point in this "so and so use's this, so and so uses that" forget that crap, dont limit yourselfs...

I hope this didint come out as a flame towards anyone, its just my opinon and i freakin hate theys stupid software vs. hardware fights, might aswell wip your dick out and see whos is longer...

ian

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Anyone else?

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Originally posted by extulas I dont care about other peoples opinions.

Geee....


[QOUTE] Originally posted by extulas
The Worse computer applications ever for music.

I am waiting to hear opinions [/QOUTE]

Hmmm...

[Dan]

yup for the sake of extula's image let this thread bleed to dead

ok

a guy using reason got signed to a label allready

mp3.com/airbase check his track emotion and tell me that sutt isn't great.

also armin uses logic audio platinum. infected msuhroom uses cubase i think so most producers this days use software cause is good

that guy airbase is alright.. kinda standerd epicy trance... the only thing that really blew me away is that labworks remix he did.. HOLY CRAP that thing rocks. the mixing is kinda bad but it might be my speakers... i love it tho. wish i could have a go at it, a break beat would fit in there nicely!

anyway let this thred die out!

hehe

ian

Yes but Airbase mostly uses Yamaha CSX2 synth as far as I've understood, but he's really talented though. Cosmicman's I love you is the best example of what softwares are capable to. Believe me, u don't need hardware to get signed .

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