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Yuris is skewing facts for the sole purpose of stirring shit in music discussion much in the same way he stirs shit constantly in MWTA. The kid is a clown and should be treated as such.

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Originally posted by Clovis He's John Fleming not Charles Dickens. For a DJ he writes reasonably well and his points are valid. I'd rather him articulate those thoughts poorly than not at all...

Yeah, but you don't go around saying bollocks like "Most intelligentest post EVAR" and calling it perfectly written, do you?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yeah, but you don't go around saying bollocks like "Most intelligentest post EVAR" and calling it perfectly written, do you?

I wouldn't call it perfectly written, no.

I really like what JooF says about the top 100. I agree with him. It should not be about who's the best, but instead the scene should be forming a unity as a whole. Some good things in the text from JooF!

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This chart seems to be dividing clubbing communities at a time when we should all be getting together to rebuild clubland into something it was once. The focus has been taken off the ball, as people are too busy fighting against each other. The poll is now doing more damage then good?

He's right all the way.

JOOF + 50 points.

The Dj Mag poll is a waste of time from a promoter's point of view. I would never book someone to play at a party of mine based upon that poll. What matters is good music and crowd draw, not a ranking in a easily hackable and flawed voting system.

If DJ Mag cared about the integrity of their voting system, it would be made transparent, the number of votes per dj made public, and the accessability to people of all languages equal.

But in reality, they never would do this. Why? Because I seriously doubt they care about the integrity of the top 100 poll. Having worked in marketing my entire life, I can assure you this is just one big stupid viral marketing scheme just to sell magazines, increase readership, and further their brand.

Hell, even people being pissed off about the poll gets the entire community talking about it. Even bad press, is still good press.

I think that people in the EDM community should band together next year and all vote for 1 person, just to see if the Dj Mag poll actually has any integrity.

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The Dj Mag poll is a waste of time from a promoter's point of view. I would never book someone to play at a party of mine based upon that poll. What matters is good music and crowd draw, not a ranking in a easily hackable and flawed voting system.

Heh, if anything it is not a waste of time from a promoter's eye. It's a goddamn goldmine to those who have the leverage and wingspan to book clubs in excess of a thousand people. Most of people care about rankings and base their shows on them. It's so easy for a promoter to hype that up and roll to the bank with it.

Not saying that it's a good thing, just saying that rankings dictate what Dj's get booked where, how much they get paid, how much ticket prices will be, etc - it's an integral part of the business.

There I go again, pointing out the obvious.

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Originally posted by Aquadyne Heh, if anything it is not a waste of time from a promoter's eye. It's a goddamn goldmine to those who have the leverage and wingspan to book clubs in excess of a thousand people. Most of people care about rankings and base their shows on them. It's so easy for a promoter to hype that up and roll to the bank with it. Not saying that it's a good thing, just saying that rankings dictate what Dj's get booked where, how much they get paid, how much ticket prices will be, etc - it's an integral part of the business. There I go again, pointing out the obvious.

That couldn't be further from the truth. I've thrown parties at parties with capacity over a thousand and I can assure you, the dj mag 100 poll doesn't mean shit for attendance.

If you have a solid fan base and you play good music - that draws a crowd. Plenty of nights we'd crush it with our attendance with a dj that wasn't in the top 100, and other nights we'd lose our asses on djs that were. That's just how it is.

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Originally posted by cyzum If you have a solid fan base and you play good music - that draws a crowd.

Really?

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Originally posted by Aquadyne Really?

Really.

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Originally posted by Aquadyne Really?

Yes. I can name at least two promoters in Seattle that used to book plenty of big-named DJs, however in the past year they've thrown mostly local-DJ-oriented parties. In that last year, they have drawn a significantly larger crowd at those parties than when they'd book national/international DJs.

You obviously have a lot to learn.

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Originally posted by Aquadyne Really?

just last week a show here with mstrkrft sold out, while max graham didnt


And Max Graham is a local hero

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Originally posted by idoru Yes. I can name at least two promoters in Seattle that used to book plenty of big-named DJs, however in the past year they've thrown mostly local-DJ-oriented parties. In that last year, they have drawn a significantly larger crowd at those parties than when they'd book national/international DJs. You obviously have a lot to learn.

Thanks for the condescension, but that was sarcasm. Apparently you have a lot to learn as well.

I'm well aware of the fact that local Dj's can draw a bigger crowd than international acts, that depends on a variety of reasons. For example, several years ago the breaks scene was pretty hot in Florida (and probably is still popular to some extent) so booking a breaks DJ in florida would get you a much larger turnout than booking a breaks DJ in another city. You mentioned Seattle, I'm not too entirely familiar with it, but from what i recall they have a large DnB and jungle scene there, Top 100 only had 1 DnB Dj on the list (Andy C) - obviously using the Top 100 list to book in Seattle doesn't make much sense. Furthermore, I would think that Seattle doesnt have the population sizable enough to sustain a large mainstream club culture in that city and thus for the time being, warehouses and raves help sustain the scene there.

In Chicago, there are several million of Eastern Europeans who live in Chicago and they love their trance. Bringing in just about any trance act from the top 50 guarantees a packed club. AvB, PvD, Tiesto can sell out concert halls of several thousand people in Chicago. We have a pretty thriving club culture here, thus raves are pretty much dead and non-existant. And that club culture allows to sustain a constant influx of international talent and make it profitable for the promoter. That is why for any major club in Chicago, you will hardly ever see a local DJ headlining a Friday/Saturday night. That is why the promoters in our city use the Top 100 to decide whom they are going to bring, how much of a fee they will negotiate, what they will charge in terms of admission, etc.

This is why just about any major music festival in the world is packed with names from the Top 100 or Top 200, yadda yadda. That is why major festivals do not consist of local Dj's - because for the majority of the promoters it's a full-time business not some little part-time hobby.

Once you stop relating promotions in a city of 580,000 people to the rest of the world, then come and talk to me. You obviously have a lot to learn.

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Originally posted by Tayfoon just last week a show here with mstrkrft sold out, while max graham didnt And Max Graham is a local hero

How often does Max Graham come through Vancouver and how often MSTRKRFT does?

Derrick Carter doesn't sell out in Chicago either. In Derrick Carter's case - I assume that is a function of saturation. In the past few years you could catch him every 2-3 months in the city so naturally the interest wanes.

The timing of the event also has alot to do with how many people show up too. If you have good weather and there isnt a big competitor in town that night then your odds are much better for selling out, perty success had ALOT more factors in it than just the dj who is playing.

Found this on L Vee (Airwaves) site. His opinion on the subject....

The idiots have won again!!
A sad, sad period for the EDM industry, unfortunately. Also for nowadays' life in general in my humble opinion.

Today's life sounds like we are ruled by people who are unable to think about something else than glory, money, domination, and we just act as if those people are right to do so. We just follow the huge trend as pure sheep and never react.

I have always done this and everything else in my life with passion and love as my leading light.

Most of the EDM industry people have shown nothing than dumbness and a good sense for prostitution in the last few months, that I for one cannot tolerate in any single way. Those people just act as if this whole scene is about competition between artists and focus on one single thing, 10 months a year (and you know what I'm talking about here). Like politics, my friends... Ironic it is, to break the chains of some "reality" in order to become slaves of another "reality", and that PISSES me OFF!! Artists don't need to be "elected by people" in order to make good music, though?!?

Wake up you all, you deserve a WAY better situation. Not convinced by my appreciation of the facts?? Some artists release records for so-called "charity", right before a famous poll, or an album release, or anything else, in order to get fame back out of it more than in order to help people with real basic needs.

SOLIDARITY has to come from ANONYMOUS SOURCES AND WITH NOTHING IN RETURN, goddamnit! (oops, Dear lord, excuse my language here!!).

Don't be blind anymore my friends, dare putting things under a different light, and most importantly, criticize anything or anyone by starting with yourself.

I used to be a slave of that "go for gold" behaviour, used to be a fashion victim, used to be arrogant with some people in the past... My apologies for this.

Many people send me e-mails. I wish I could reply to anyone, really, unfortunately, I'm just some humand being, and I wish some of you will forgive my late replies at times. Most others will tell you what's cookin here...

Well enough with this, take care my friends, and remember, there's nothing more important than LOVE and PASSION in life.

:-)
Laurent

interesting that the two well known djs/producers that have made public statements complaining about the list didn't make the list.

im not saying, im just saying ...

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Originally posted by stev�sto interesting that the two well known djs/producers that have made public statements complaining about the list didn't make the list. im not saying, im just saying ...

I've thought the same thing after reading both pieces, but whether or not they're doing this simply because they didn't make the list, what they're saying is in fact true.

they cant get rid of the DJ mag poll, where else am i going to get to see PvD on a wednesday night, FOR A FIVER!????

damn when pvd comes here on a friggin monday once every 3 years it still costs about 20, argh!

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Originally posted by Aquadyne Thanks for the condescension, but that was sarcasm. Apparently you have a lot to learn as well. Once you stop relating promotions in a city of 580,000 people to the rest of the world, then come and talk to me. You obviously have a lot to learn.

Yuris - You need to come off it. You think that just because you spent 104 weekends in a row drunk off your ass out at clubs you're some kind of club genius/superstar DJ in the making - You're not. You're a piss poor jock who got where he is by pandering to the lowest common denominator in clubland.

All you've done in here is overstate the obvious and attempt to come off as somehow more intelligent than every other person posting in this thread. You aren't.

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Originally posted by Deep Throat You would see DJs from Czechoslovakia ...

This country does not exist for 13 years already. Since 1993 there is Czech Republic and Slovakia, two independent countries.

Just clearing it up.

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Originally posted by stev�sto interesting that the two well known djs/producers that have made public statements complaining about the list didn't make the list. im not saying, im just saying ...

I thought John OO Fleming's letter was intelligent and to the point.

The other guys (Laurent who, I couldn't tell), sounded like sour grapes to me.

Hi Guys,

I've just been informed about my comments making it onto this forum. Many thanks for your kind words and obviously there are some who don't agree.

Firstly it's not a case of sour grapes, as many of you know I've been vocal about this chart over the past few years (when I�ve been in it!) and have often spoke out about it. I�ve been slowly watching the scene that I know and love slip away, it was only a matter of time until I had to speak out. We talk amongst ourselves about how the chart is contributing to the downfall of clubland, and we can�t hide that fact here in the UK. The past few days I�ve had all major club brands, promoters and fellow DJ�s pat me on the back for speaking out. Everyone agrees with what was written, they're glad someone eventually spoke out.

I may not be the best grammar student (thanks for noticing Mr Mikey Mike), but I�m the perfect music teacher. I simply want to put the scene back on track to what it used to be. DJ�s like you Mikey will benefit from this as there used to be 100�s of weekly clubs breading resident and new DJ�s who in return offer new and exciting music pushing the scene forward. I think these DJ�s are a priceless asset to the scene and must be supported. Unfortunately it will never happen in this climate

If my words help to change anything, I�ll be a happy man.

Once again, nicely put John!

spot on!!!

-ryan

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