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Originally posted by Rainborn Lol, you make it sound alot easier than it really is. One can work and work and polish their skills forever and ever, and with new technology all the time, you gotta keep up to date and learn all the new stuff. The most basic stuff is what's being exercised in a club by a DJ though. I haven't grasped the whole liveact concept fully, like the stuff that BT does, but it's probably alot harder than DJing.

no need to even mention new technology, with just a pair of technics and a worn down radioshack mixer you'd still have an infinite amount of things to do.

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Originally posted by Clovis Traktor and Ableton do not turn mixer knobs for you.

and way more importantly, they don't select the appropriate track for you.

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Originally posted by j�c� Pete Tong doesn't need to mix well. He is probably the most influential person in EDM of all time.

people on this forum never cease to amuse me

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Originally posted by SMC Bullshit thread. Something easy can be good and something hard can be bad. I can make a lovely sandwich in 2 minutes, and i can make an advanced dish in 2 hours that tastes like shit. There is no direct relation between (level of) skill or effort needed and how the result is interpreted. Then DJing and making music are two different things. There is a demand for guys who play records in a continous mix because ppl like it. A pianist with 30 years of training who can play blindfolded will not satisfy the needs of those ppl. In that context he sucks, but that does of course not mean that being good at playing piano is shit, it's just a different thing.

This thread is GOLD. I JUST WANT to let you guys know that DJing doesnt really need a skill so much. of course there are a lot of skill, but not that much.

i really appreciate ur idea. something easy can be good and something hard can be bad. nice.

I know it since the beginning, even DJ is an easy stuff compared playing other musical instruments, but DJ has higher demand and satisfy more people. DJ is like a leader. They use their creativity to create song, to control the crowd feeling, they even create something new. Many musician can only play their instrument to play others people creation. Most musician is trapped by the timeline. They hardly can step forward. DJ is always looking for something new and special. This makes a lot different.

Piano > Decks

Disk Jockeys are a major part of society and add to the foundations of human stupidity. As soon as one person said that mixing a song into another is "talented", the IQs of the world decreased dramatically. People started flocking to see Disk Jockeys like Tiesto. To say that a Disk Jockey is a "musician" is the biggest insult to any talented producer. Just because a Disk jockeys plays music does not make them a "musician". That's like saying I am a musician because I pressed the 'play' button on my DVD player. I also like to listen to music & look through music catalogues with my l33t disk jockey skillzorz!!11

Being a Disk Jockey is like being a goat farmer. The little goat will grow up by itself in a paddock & eat grass all day. After the goat has been eating grass for a month the farmer will go outside with a bottle & milk the goats titty for 2 minutes, drink the milk & then say "Look at me, I'm a astronaut!". The goat farmer would then get naked & climb a tree & yell to the sky to simulate being NASA Mission control centre.

Basically, A real astronaut went to University for 7 years and the naked goat farmer milked a goats titty for 2 minutes. The goat did enjoy the experience, but will not fork out 25 bucks for the CD.

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Originally posted by Beethoven Most musician is trapped by the timeline. They hardly can step forward. DJ is always looking for something new and special. This makes a lot different.

This is utter bullshit, it�s the other way round. Please stop posting before you hurt yourself.

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Originally posted by Beethoven This thread is GOLD. I JUST WANT to let you guys know that DJing doesnt really need a skill so much. of course there are a lot of skill, but not that much.

since you're so good at teaching things you know nothing about, i rather you teach me about cold fusion.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Piano > Decks

piano = linear learning curve: read > implement > practice > repeat
decks = diy learning: figure out the basics > practice > mess about > discover a new trick > practice > mess about > discover a new trick > repeat

which leads me to declare it's likely that it takes more to master the turntables, than it does the piano.

p.s. (not to you alpha, but in general) beatmatching is to turntables what playing do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-ti-do is to piano.

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Originally posted by Beethoven Most musician is trapped by the timeline. They hardly can step forward.

Not really, there's no certain way or timeline a musician should follow, unless wanting to get lost in the generic masses where the most important thing is to be like everyone else, to sell more instead of actually making a difference and trying something else. Talented musicians try new things all the time, which can not be said in most DJs nowadays..

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DJ is always looking for something new and special. This makes a lot different.

As i hinted above, most DJs nowadays aren't really looking something new and special, by themselves anyway.. quite the opposite really. They are merely being copycats and will do just what the others are doing. What new and special is there if you as a DJ are playing exactly the same tracks than 99% of other DJs of your style out there? For God's sake, a DJ should put a little more effort in his sets than try to be cool by just playing all the most hyped tracks and nothing else. Yet only a few DJs really go beyond that, and mostly (and sadly) they aren't the big names we still OMG so much about but the lesser known hopefully rising DJs.

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Originally posted by Psy-T no need to even mention new technology, with just a pair of technics and a worn down radioshack mixer you'd still have an infinite amount of things to do.

I see. I hope I can save up for some good turntables and a mixer soon enough, 'cause I'm longing to start.

Cut Chemist isn't a musician? He has no skill?

there's alot of famous dj's who really doesn't mix that well.
It's alot like beeing a politician (in eurpoe) now days, charisma and social skills is very important togheter having the basic skills in what you do.

I think the producers should be more appriciated than the dj, as the productions we hear now are made of an enormous amount of producers who're pretty talented and are praying for a breaktrough and releases tune after tune each month.
If there was more money and fame in productions i think we would have a serious change of quantity into quality.
The DJ's whould also have alot more quality tracks to play

Beethoven really made research on the subject i see!

Ludwig van has just rolled over in his grave.

i think this is right..the only dj ive seen that really makes an attempt to push himself is eddie halliwell..although marco v and armin have produced good tune, when djing they dont do anything out of the ordinary..

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Originally posted by eee.ddd.y i think this is right..the only dj ive seen that really makes an attempt to push himself is eddie halliwell..although marco v and armin have produced good tune, when djing they dont do anything out of the ordinary..

END OF THE DISCCUSSIONNNN

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Originally posted by Rainborn Don't you think a really good DJ (As said, you put it quite basic up there in your first post, it's a bit more than that I think) can be considered a musician too?

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Originally posted by eee.ddd.y i think this is right..the only dj ive seen that really makes an attempt to push himself is eddie halliwell..although marco v and armin have produced good tune, when djing they dont do anything out of the ordinary..

You should get out and see more dj's.

ive seen a good few djs...eddie halliwell was the best...ive been at techno electro house gigs and he stood out the most in my opinion..who would you advise i go see?

is he #1 dj in all of kazakhstan?

no hes mixmag #1 dj!!

This endless DJ - musician or not discussion is really annoying. A DJ is not a musician, he's a DJ. To DJ is one type of performance/art/whatever and creating music is another. What is the point in comparing the two like if they're alternatives to each other? They're not. They're two different things that get regognition for the differnt things they do.

It's like having a bus manufacturer vs bus driver discussion, where the manufacturer is the musician, the driver is the DJ and the passengers are the audience. Does the driver have any skills? - No, he sucks. The engineer rocks! - Wrong, the driver is an engineer imo! - stfu, most drivers can't drive. We should only have engineers working, then the busses will go automatically.

It's hardly that simple. People who make records out of samples aren't composing anything new, but they can be creating new music out of other tracks. Where does recontextualising someone else's music in a set become new music in its own right? Where do you draw the line?

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Originally posted by eee.ddd.y ive seen a good few djs...eddie halliwell was the best...ive been at techno electro house gigs and he stood out the most in my opinion..who would you advise i go see?

Check out your local scene maybe. I have seen a lot of great technical dj's in my very own home town that I would consider better then a few of these big names. The most recent "Wow!" I have gotten though was from Steve Lawler. I would like to check out Richie Hawtin next, he has really opened my eyes and impressed me with the live sets of his I have on my computer.

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