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Originally posted by jennypie It's not about being an outstanding student. It's about taking one's role as a health care professional seriously. I have a very strong opinion that I think it's highly unethical/unprofessional to advise people on their well-being if you aren't healthy/well yourself...especially if your problem is drugs and alcohol. It impairs your thinking and judgement, ffs. That's not the kind of person I want giving me medical advice and/or treatment. It's unacceptable, imo.

If they are not drunk/fucked up while on the job, then what difference does it really make? I understand that, as a MD, you should be ready at all times to deal with emergency phonecalls and whatnot...but if the advice they give people is correct and sound, and people benefit from their services, despite the doctor's private or individual agenda, then what difference does it truly make? Just seems like kind of a high standard to hold people to...

I guess, in general though, I agree with you.

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Originally posted by Fast Turtle ^^ You'd probably be detested about a lot of the things you don't see everyday behind the scenes in the medicine industry then..

Just because it goes on, doesn't make it right. There's nothing to be said or done to justify that kind of behaviour in a health care setting.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On If they are not drunk/fucked up while on the job, then what difference does it really make? I understand that, as a MD, you should be ready at all times to deal with emergency phonecalls and whatnot...but if the advice they give people is correct and sound, and people benefit from their services, despite the doctor's private or individual agenda, then what difference does it truly make? Just seems like kind of a high standard to hold people to... I guess, in general though, I agree with you.

I know what you mean, you're just being empathetic to people's problems. But this truly is a black and white issue. It IS a high standard, it's supposed to be. There's a very strong code of ethics for people in health care to adhere to. We have a large responsibility, and it should be taken seriously. People's LIVES, their HEALTH is partially in our hands.


I think that's one reason why so many Doctors get God complexes.



edit: woops, I thought I was replying to Fast Turtle. Ah well!

lol i remember back in the good ol "slylee cokehead days" i would send my ex off to work with some coke to keep him through the day cuz we still hadn't slept yet from the night before from partying in south beach (he has to work on saturday mornings for 5 hours). he's a chiropractor

and one of his best friends is an orthopedic surgeon who specializes in kidney transplants, and the guy is the biggest partier out of anyone i've known of heard of.










actually, it's kinda scary.




ps-jenny dont u do drugs too once in a wihle and talk about loving coked up sex with your boyfriend?


...so anyway, you were saying? lol

I know of a neurosurgeon at the bloody CHILDREN'S hospital that goes out all the time and pops pills and shit, then goes into work on Mondays!! Like wtf?? People are fucked, man.

i thoguht doctors arent allowed to pop pills and they get drug tested?

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Originally posted by jennypie But this truly is a black and white issue.

I've known several asian and latino doctors in my lifetime kthx

So, like, when I drive my car, people LIVES ARE IN MY HANDS. Anytime I wanted to, I could drive up on the sidewalk and kill a few people, or if I am impaired by drugs or alcohol, my actions may not be intentional and I could end up killing pedestrians or hitting another car. This is why I would not drive while impaired by drugs or alcohol. So is the possibility that I might have to drive a car someday something that should keep me from doing drugs or getting drunk ever?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I've known several asian and latino doctors in my lifetime kthx So, like, when I drive my car, people LIVES ARE IN MY HANDS. Anytime I wanted to, I could drive up on the sidewalk and kill a few people, or if I am impaired by drugs or alcohol, my actions may not be intentional and I could end up killing pedestrians or hitting another car. This is why I would not drive while impaired by drugs or alcohol. So is the possibility that I might have to drive a car someday something that should keep me from doing drugs or getting drunk ever?

true that

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Originally posted by Slylee ps-jenny dont u do drugs too once in a wihle and talk about loving coked up sex with your boyfriend? ...so anyway, you were saying? lol

LOL. Wow, I can't remember the last time I made a comment about coked-up sex with my bf. That was ages ago. And no I don't do drugs once in a while. Not now that I'm back in school and becoming a nurse.


Nice try though.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On So, like, when I drive my car, people LIVES ARE IN MY HANDS. Anytime I wanted to, I could drive up on the sidewalk and kill a few people, or if I am impaired by drugs or alcohol, my actions may not be intentional and I could end up killing pedestrians or hitting another car. This is why I would not drive while impaired by drugs or alcohol. So is the possibility that I might have to drive a car someday something that should keep me from doing drugs or getting drunk ever?

50 points for the baby and 10 points for the old man. 60 points for the prositute if you spot her virgine as she rolls of the winshield

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I've known several asian and latino doctors in my lifetime kthx So, like, when I drive my car, people LIVES ARE IN MY HANDS. Anytime I wanted to, I could drive up on the sidewalk and kill a few people, or if I am impaired by drugs or alcohol, my actions may not be intentional and I could end up killing pedestrians or hitting another car. This is why I would not drive while impaired by drugs or alcohol. So is the possibility that I might have to drive a car someday something that should keep me from doing drugs or getting drunk ever?

First of all, you can't even compare the responsibility of being a driver to the responsibility of being a doctor.

Also, I'm not talking about the use of alcohol and drugs in moderation, I'm talking about consistent abuse of them.

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Originally posted by Silky Johnson LOL. Wow, I can't remember the last time I made a comment about coked-up sex with my bf. That was ages ago. And no I don't do drugs once in a while. Not now that I'm back in school and becoming a nurse. Nice try though.

Actually that's not true, I did mushrooms in October when Burridge was here. My bad.

Otherwise, no drugs for me! I don't even smoke weed anymore.

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Originally posted by jennypie I know of a neurosurgeon at the bloody CHILDREN'S hospital that goes out all the time and pops pills and shit, then goes into work on Mondays!! Like wtf?? People are fucked, man.

That's so not cool at all!!!!

I actually knew someone as well that was a doctor at a hospital too as they did a lot of cola too since they have stopped and now they work at a talent agency....

ps they also stopped doing the cola....

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Originally posted by jennypie First of all, you can't even compare the responsibility of being a driver to the responsibility of being a doctor.

Wasn't comparing them directly. But responsibility is a really fragile thing sometimes - I only used driving as an example because it is another activity (one that most people can relate to) where it is quite easy for somebody to lose their life if the person behind the wheel is not completely in control of their actions and thoughts. I felt that, in this respect, it was quite similar to being a healthcare professional.

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Also, I'm not talking about the use of alcohol and drugs in moderation, I'm talking about consistent abuse of them.

Ahh, then it is obvious that we were on seperate pages. Perhaps I misunderstood you as you seemed to be coming off pretty convicted that any drug use or otherwise social deviation impairs a doctors ability to do his or her job whatsoever, which I thought to be fairly untrue. But it also seems to me that, in some cases, somebody having a drug or alcohol "problem" fits into a grey area - as in, what seems to be a "problem" to some people is not always a "problem" as far as others see it. However, if your definition of a problem was doctors getting coked the hell out every weekend (and even during the week sometimes?) and showing up to work not completely capable of putting their all into focusing on their job, then yeah, that is fairly black and white, and I agree with you that people in the healthcare field should be held to a higher standard of showing up to work completely sober.

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Originally posted by jennypie LOL. Wow, I can't remember the last time I made a comment about coked-up sex with my bf. That was ages ago. And no I don't do drugs once in a while. Not now that I'm back in school and becoming a nurse. Nice try though.

either way, you used to, and now all of a sudden you are turning your nose at people who do it? i mean, it's one thing to just be like, "man, i'm glad i dont do that shit any more", but to point your finger at them is kind of obnoxious. i started to do that for a while in my sober days, but the more i thought about it, i was like, "who the hell am i to talk?" now i'm just like whatever, it's their business.

and especially because you are babbling about being "HUMAN" in the first place, right? is that this thread or another one? and now you seem to be completely changing your tone and having no patience or mercy for people who can do drugs on the weekends, and save lives during the week.

I guess the case for DR too...do steroids affect your workplace efficacy at all? There's been a lot of debate lately about them and there's not a lot of evidence to suggest that they cause anything like 'roid rage' often portrayed in the media, or even any real physiological damage (though testosterones are neurotoxic if you take enough of them). A whole great number of America's police force is on steroids, and those people carry a gun around all day...

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Originally posted by Slylee either way, you used to, and now all of a sudden you are turning your nose at people who do it? i mean, it's one thing to just be like, "man, i'm glad i dont do that shit any more", but to point your finger at them is kind of obnoxious. i started to do that for a while in my sober days, but the more i thought about it, i was like, "who the hell am i to talk?" now i'm just like whatever, it's their business. and especially because you are babbling about being "HUMAN" in the first place, right? is that this thread or another one? and now you seem to be completely changing your tone and having no patience or mercy for people who can do drugs on the weekends, and save lives during the week.

Your interpretation of my posts is completely wrong. I'm not talking about "regular" people, I'm talking about health care professionals.

Looks like you have a problem with reading comprehension too.


*pat on head*

id like to pat your anus

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit id like to pat your anus

LOL

Perfectionism is a flaw in many cases (and lends itself to many remarkable egocentricities).

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Originally posted by Fast Turtle Perferectionism is a flaw in many cases.

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Originally posted by Fast Turtle Perfectionism is a flaw in many cases (and lends itself to many remarkable egocentricities).

Well duh. Nobody's claiming perfectionism here. Sorry if I come across that way.


I guess I'm not conveying my thoughts in a manner that is clear to everyone (something I struggle with ). I'm talking very specifically about medical professionals who abuse drugs and alcohol, and continue to practice within their field. I think it's unethical, and I don't think there's ANY excuse for it. Plain and simple.

Jen, can you jump on MSN for a bit?

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Originally posted by DarkAngel Jen, can you jump on MSN for a bit?

Bah, no sorry...I'm at the bf's. Is it super duper important? I'm going out for a smoke...brb.

Well, not everyone agrees with prohibition, and barring the mental effects of many drugs, there are a fair amount of entirely physically safe intoxicants (like mushrooms, for instance). Certainly, speed seems safe enough to the AMA to give to huge numbers of our kids, why should we care if a doctor takes an ecstasy pill every now and again? But this is a whole other long winded discussion, heh.

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Originally posted by jennypie Bah, no sorry...I'm at the bf's. Is it super duper important? I'm going out for a smoke...brb.

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