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Originally posted by tubby most stand-ups and the like are great with comebacks, hecklers usually get creamed by them. Really surprising to see a pro lose their cool so badly

thats the thing, Kramer is not a pro at stand ups.

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Originally posted by Theresa Agreed. I don't care what the black man did or said, it does not warrant a public verbal and racial lashing. Kramer guy was 100% out of line and needs to grow the fuck up.

I'm going to say this as unbiased as possible, but we don't know what was said in the first place, therefore we have no grounds to say whether or not Richards was right. How do we know the group of people weren't throwing racial slurs at him from the beginning? Then again, how do we know they weren't?

It's my personal belief that if you can't stomach having people act towards you in a certain manner, then you shouldn't be acting like that towards other people. I only bring this up because people are making such a big deal about Richards pulling the race card while you can clearly hear the heckler calling him a "cracker-ass" and not being reprimanded for it.

I'm not trying to defend him, but I'm not trying to say that he was in the wrong, either. I can only hope that he doesn't mean anything that was said. Unless someone has a video of the entire argument, then judging his actions is pointless.

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Originally posted by idoru I'm going to say this as unbiased as possible, but we don't know what was said in the first place,

Yes we do. It was already established that the black guy was heckling Kramer. In other words the black guy was probably booing him or telling him how lame his jokes are. Basically anything to do with heckling.

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Originally posted by idoru therefore we have no grounds to say whether or not Richards was right. How do we know the group of people weren't throwing racial slurs at him from the beginning? Then again, how do we know they weren't?

I hope you're not justifying racial behaviour.

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I only bring this up because people are making such a big deal about Richards pulling the race card while you can clearly hear the heckler calling him a "cracker-ass" and not being reprimanded for it.

It's called natural response or giving him a taste of his own medicine. If I killed somebody's mom in front of them and laughed about it, I'm pretty sure they would want to get back at me one way or another as was the case with the black guy. Kramer called the guy the 'n' word and he responded.

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I'm not trying to defend him, but I'm not trying to say that he was in the wrong, either. I can only hope that he doesn't mean anything that was said. Unless someone has a video of the entire argument, then judging his actions is pointless.

There are plenty of other ways to deal with people like that. Sadly he chose the most stupidest defense.

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Originally posted by dj_bas But if you want it to hurt, you make it racist.

But you're not just hurting him, you're committing an offence against the entire race. Racism is never acceptable ever.

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He was bothering him at his job, has Richards ever gone to that guy's job and kicked the mop out of his hand? No. Why should that guy be allowed to do it to Richards?

[color=limegreen]He shouldn't. That's why he should've asked security to escort him out, and maybe even slipped them a 50 to rough him up a little. He could have told him his mother sucks cocks in hell for all I care. But there is no excuse for racism.

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Originally posted by astroboy But you're not just hurting him, you're committing an offence against the entire race. Racism is never acceptable ever.

you've never laughed at a racist joke?

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean whats stupid is that only black people call themselves ******s or use "racial slurs" amongst each other and then get upset if other people use it..you don't hear latins calling each other spics or chinese calling each other chinks or jews calling each other kikes.

Asians around here call each other gook all the time. It's not stupid at all. Makes perfect sense to me. The same way that the queer community reclaimed the word queer.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you've never laughed at a racist joke?

he was making a personal attack, not a joke.

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Originally posted by astroboy Asians around here call each other gook all the time. It's not stupid at all. Makes perfect sense to me. The same way that the queer community reclaimed the word queer.

personally, i find it very hypocritical. It's just bullshit, you want to use degrading slurs - fine, but don't get pissed if someone else uses them as well.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you've never laughed at a racist joke?

Sure I have, mostly at jokes made at the expense of white people and jokes made by people of a particular race about their race. In some ways such humour counteracts true racism by taking the sting out of it.

But when some skinny white guy from a private school (who has no understanding of discrimination in any but the most abstract sense) came up to me first day of uni and said "what's the difference between an abo and a dog turd? The dog turd stops stinking and turns white hahah" I was about ready to snap him in the face.

I think there is a fine line there, and if you're not sure what you're doing you should just leave it.

And as for plain racism - shouting derogatory remarks at people based on race, reminiscing about the good old n1gger-lynching days etc... I think there is no amount of provocation that justifies that.

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean personally, i find it very hypocritical. It's just bullshit, you want to use degrading slurs - fine, but don't get pissed if someone else uses them as well.

I don't think it's hypocritical at all. The same words mean different things when said by different people... that's just a fact of communication that extends beyond racial slurs.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 Yes we do. It was already established that the black guy was heckling Kramer. In other words the black guy was probably booing him or telling him how lame his jokes are. Basically anything to do with heckling.

No, we don't. Sure, we know he was heckling him but again, we don't know precisely what was said.

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I hope you're not justifying racial behaviour.

I'm the last person who will justify racial behavior. I'm a firm believer in equality no matter who/what/where/why you are. Thus, I'm a firm believer that if you think it's okay to say something to someone, don't be offended if they flip it around on you, otherwise you have no place saying it.

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It's called natural response or giving him a taste of his own medicine. If I killed somebody's mom in front of them and laughed about it, I'm pretty sure they would want to get back at me one way or another as was the case with the black guy. Kramer called the guy the 'n' word and he responded.

I understand that, but do tell me what was said at the beginning of the incident. You can't, and for that we won't know who was the first person to throw a racial slur in that argument.

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Originally posted by astroboy I don't think it's hypocritical at all. The same words mean different things when said by different people... that's just a fact of communication that extends beyond racial slurs.

well, agree to disagree.

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean well, agree to disagree.

Done

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean well, agree to disagree.

on that note, are you going to tell me that there is no word you and your close group of friends use that has a particular meaning for your group and a different meaning outside your group? if its not the case, then you could agree to disagree, if it is the case though, how could you justify disagreeing with what he said?

my dad, who served w/ black people in veitnam, saw this on the news when i happened to be in the room.

his response was "the asshole in the audience had it coming"

+1 to my dad.

I just watched the video to see the what happened.

He did go over the top. Wayy to much N word after the first few.
No one in there right mind would say that word more than 2 times especially at the top of their lungs and try not to look like a racist person?

but....People paid for a show to listen to him speak. Not to listen to a heckler. In the end the heckler ruined the show but richards added fuel to the fire and now people will look at him different like Mel gibson. I guess when your famous anything you say can and will be used against you without even being arrested.


off topic but how does TMZ get all this sutff anyhow Freakin pay random people for their cell phone video if they hear something on their "celeberity finder radios" that something went down in the comedy club that night?

Amusing.

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Originally posted by astroboy Sure I have, mostly at jokes made at the expense of white people and jokes made by people of a particular race about their race. In some ways such humour counteracts true racism by taking the sting out of it. But when some skinny white guy from a private school (who has no understanding of discrimination in any but the most abstract sense) came up to me first day of uni and said "what's the difference between an abo and a dog turd? The dog turd stops stinking and turns white hahah" I was about ready to snap him in the face. I think there is a fine line there, and if you're not sure what you're doing you should just leave it. And as for plain racism - shouting derogatory remarks at people based on race, reminiscing about the good old n1gger-lynching days etc... I think there is no amount of provocation that justifies that.

oh yeah, i totally agree. its just that i dont believe making fun of racial stereotypes a priori makes you a racist anymore than making jokes about fat people means you dont like the fatties either. i think the audience is important, which is why i would never make a racist joke on TA but would with close friends that know i dont mean what im saying.

and then he shoulda gone...


GOTCHA! and the black guy goes OHHHHH! LOLOL HAHAHA :::gay sex!:::

i don't find it funny. the black guy should have been behaving himself in the first place, but the kramer guy did not need to take it to the n word and the black guy should have not called him a cracker.

if someone calls me the n word, what good will it do to call that person a cracker or some other ethnic slur? absolutely nothing.

and i find it juvenile that some people find it funny.

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Originally posted by wizniz if that had been a black man on stage saying "shut up, cracker!" it wouldnt have even gotten media attention.

Plus, he probably would have recieved some laughs...

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Originally posted by AndreaCKY772 i don't find it funny. the black guy should have been behaving himself in the first place, but the kramer guy did not need to take it to the n word and the black guy should have not called him a cracker. if someone calls me the n word, what good will it do to call that person a cracker or some other ethnic slur? absolutely nothing. and i find it juvenile that some people find it funny.

You know, living in Australia, I have never heard anyone say cracker in real life, in the racial context... I kinda wish someone would call me a cracker.. I'd probably giggle my ass off.

This is most disturbing.

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