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k, go do it

C'mon, someone even gave a screen shot of the settings of the plug-in, that's too easy!

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Originally posted by Clovis No seriously, its one of the sickest spots around. On a cliff by the sea with like 3 levels, open-air dance floor and like 2 or 3 swimming pools! The main acts start at like 4am and go well into the morning...

Yeah it is awesome, have you been there?

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Originally posted by jahnlay C'mon, someone even gave a screen shot of the settings of the plug-in, that's too easy!

Haha, you obviously havn't tried. Because I've set up filter delay exactly how he has it on screen and it doesnt sound right. Theres something else to it.


And no cloud, I havn't but I plan to!

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Originally posted by Clovis Haha, you obviously havn't tried. Because I've set up filter delay exactly how he has it on screen and it doesnt sound right. Theres something else to it. And no cloud, I havn't but I plan to!

lol, i spent the whole morning playing with those presets and couldnt get it right either, theres gotta be something else

which plugins are running on that screenshot?

supper trigga, filter delay and the one on the far left?

what is super trigga?

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Originally posted by Ivand lol, i spent the whole morning playing with those presets and couldnt get it right either, theres gotta be something else which plugins are running on that screenshot? supper trigga, filter delay and the one on the far left?

It's a Reverb, and Sasha also cuts all the bass while he does the delay too, for more info if you didn't already see that.

saw him play last night here in chicago. his current template is completely different from the screenshot posted here. i had one of the photographers take a really nice upclose high reso shot and will post it here when i get it. hes now got a 10 channel setup, which i only saw use of the first 6 the entire night. i talked to his tech guy (not barry jamieson but some round guy with two little ponytails) quite a bit, but alot of the dialogue was lost in translation as its really hard to here people with english accents in loud clubs heres what ive figured out through watching and talking to his tech guy:

- he divides his tracks into 3-7 sections each. for each section he has a brown clip and a yellow clip, and a space separating them on the channel. the brown clip is an unlooped section start that after a certain number of bars triggers the yellow clip by use of follow actions. the yellow clip is a really repetitive small loop of the section and has clip modulation info on it which triggers his delays, effects, or whatever. he then has to get out of that loop by triggering the next brown clip, BUT can kill going into the follow action all together by deleting the yellow clip. i noticed when ever hed run off to the bathroom hed kill the yellow clip to keep the music moving like normal while he was in dispose.

- he hid his sends on the screen and when i pryed into his effects with his tech guy he all of a sudden played dumb. his tech guys was like oh hes using "supa trigga, delays, reverbs, etc" i asked what kind of delay and all i got was a smirk.

- he is playing 3 tracks at a time it seems on the screen, but i believe its alot of rerouted audio that we dont hear. he was also running his maven into the pioneer 800 on 2 different channels but only 1 channel was playing. im pretty sure what seems like alot of extra tracks playing is just rerouting of audio for effects, sidechains, etc.

- im pretty certain he is sidechaining the low frequencies of his tracks when he is transitioning. i noticed that he was playing one track with a low, constant bassline. the next track he was mixing in had a low syncopated tom that would kill the bassline of the previous track more and more rhythmically as it was being mixed in. sounded phenomenal.

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell - he hid his sends on the screen and when i pryed into his effects with his tech guy he all of a sudden played dumb. his tech guys was like oh hes using "supa trigga, delays, reverbs, etc" i asked what kind of delay and all i got was a smirk.

lol saw that coming!

Nice info Blake...hes using live 6 or 5?

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell saw him play last night here in chicago. his current template is completely different from the screenshot posted here. i had one of the photographers take a really nice upclose high reso shot and will post it here when i get it. hes now got a 10 channel setup, which i only saw use of the first 6 the entire night. i talked to his tech guy (not barry jamieson but some round guy with two little ponytails) quite a bit, but alot of the dialogue was lost in translation as its really hard to here people with english accents in loud clubs heres what ive figured out through watching and talking to his tech guy: - he divides his tracks into 3-7 sections each. for each section he has a brown clip and a yellow clip, and a space separating them on the channel. the brown clip is an unlooped section start that after a certain number of bars triggers the yellow clip by use of follow actions. the yellow clip is a really repetitive small loop of the section and has clip modulation info on it which triggers his delays, effects, or whatever. he then has to get out of that loop by triggering the next brown clip, BUT can kill going into the follow action all together by deleting the yellow clip. i noticed when ever hed run off to the bathroom hed kill the yellow clip to keep the music moving like normal while he was in dispose. - he hid his sends on the screen and when i pryed into his effects with his tech guy he all of a sudden played dumb. his tech guys was like oh hes using "supa trigga, delays, reverbs, etc" i asked what kind of delay and all i got was a smirk. - he is playing 3 tracks at a time it seems on the screen, but i believe its alot of rerouted audio that we dont hear. he was also running his maven into the pioneer 800 on 2 different channels but only 1 channel was playing. im pretty sure what seems like alot of extra tracks playing is just rerouting of audio for effects, sidechains, etc. - im pretty certain he is sidechaining the low frequencies of his tracks when he is transitioning. i noticed that he was playing one track with a low, constant bassline. the next track he was mixing in had a low syncopated tom that would kill the bassline of the previous track more and more rhythmically as it was being mixed in. sounded phenomenal.

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Awesome, thanks for the insight, I knew he had the 10 channel thing going but its awesome you got to take a better look at the whole thing!

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell

Brilliant post, thanks for the espionage

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell - im pretty certain he is sidechaining the low frequencies of his tracks when he is transitioning. i noticed that he was playing one track with a low, constant bassline. the next track he was mixing in had a low syncopated tom that would kill the bassline of the previous track more and more rhythmically as it was being mixed in. sounded phenomenal.

SICK.

cant wait for the high res shot!

great info Blake, nice chat with the guy.

can someone explain sidechaining again? and possibly post a sample?

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue can someone explain sidechaining again? and possibly post a sample?

sidechaining, in a nut shell, is making one sound react to another. perfect example (although an extreme one) is eric prydz - call on me. when it kicks back in after the break, the vocal is sidechaining (reacting to) the kick, ducking itself everytime the kick appears and reappearing as the kick decays giving it that pumping sound. sasha is using it to duck bass frequencies of the already playing track, which is reacting to the bass frequencies of the new track which is coming in, so it sort of pumps as it comes in and sounds pretty natural and tight. im not entirely sure he did this every mix, but the ones he did were obvious that he was indeed sidechaining.

the real trick is setting up the sidechain correctly, with good settings on the compressor.

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell the real trick is setting up the sidechain correctly, with good settings on the compressor.

talk about a b****

maybe hes got it set up where it does it for him

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Originally posted by iammesol talk about a b**** maybe hes got it set up where it does it for him

lol, automated maven sidechainin!

thanks for the info jake, im waiting the screenshot


now, to the ablecaveton robin!

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Originally posted by jahnlay It's a Reverb, and Sasha also cuts all the bass while he does the delay too, for more info if you didn't already see that.

yeah, but theres one missing plugin, before reverb i think i almost got it omgidie

It's Blake BTW.

Blake, you rule. Thanks.

Another great example of sidechaining is Daft Punk. That french house "pumping" sound. Where the kickdrum ducks.

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell sidechaining, in a nut shell, is making one sound react to another. perfect example (although an extreme one) is eric prydz - call on me. when it kicks back in after the break, the vocal is sidechaining (reacting to) the kick, ducking itself everytime the kick appears and reappearing as the kick decays giving it that pumping sound. sasha is using it to duck bass frequencies of the already playing track, which is reacting to the bass frequencies of the new track which is coming in, so it sort of pumps as it comes in and sounds pretty natural and tight. im not entirely sure he did this every mix, but the ones he did were obvious that he was indeed sidechaining. the real trick is setting up the sidechain correctly, with good settings on the compressor.

much appreciated.

I might be wrong but side-chaining comes from the way the hardware can be set up in the production studtio...

haha. we need more trainspotting threads like this, especially in the DJ and producing forums (not that i ever go to productions forums).

It relly would be better off to be more creative and develop your own special effects, instead of trying to rip off someone else. The reality is, you don't know what hardware or soundcard sasha could have set up, and he could be using all sorts of hardware or software plugged-in.

Not that I know much about ableton

Just my 2 cents.

um... maybe it's the poor audio quality u get from when u use normal audio equipment to record loud environments, but it sounds like one of the effects PVD uses... if u listen to his Jahre Maximale set that's up for download.

and when i watched PVD spin, i noticed a lot of the stuff the other guy in this thread talked about... like many files seeming to be playing at once, and multiple mixer levels being up, but only 1 track playing.

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Originally posted by Abhay um... maybe it's the poor audio quality u get from when u use normal audio equipment to record loud environments, but it sounds like one of the effects PVD uses... if u listen to his Jahre Maximale set that's up for download. and when i watched PVD spin, i noticed a lot of the stuff the other guy in this thread talked about... like many files seeming to be playing at once, and multiple mixer levels being up, but only 1 track playing.

that must be returns for effects or layering or somethng

http://abletonlivedj.com/forum/view...ight=dummy+clip

He does the effect by pooping into his Maven and using the filter.

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Originally posted by Abhay I might be wrong but side-chaining comes from the way the hardware can be set up in the production studtio...

sidechaining can be achieved with audio software compressors that support some sort of "key in" and routing within ableton.

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