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the wait is on for the 'real' album and then the truth shall prevail i guess.

okay its moshic and sentience time

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Originally posted by DIDI Actually, no, she wasn't !!!The US gives the most in actual dollars terms, but as a portion of GDP they are actually the worst of the wealthier countries They are even worse than Australia Let's face it anyway, how much of the poverty and misery in the world is in part due to Americas changing policies.

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dont forget america has its own problems and its own poor to worry about. nothing states that any country owes any other some kind of support. be thankful that countries like the US exist because if other regimes were "in power" the 3rd world would receive far less.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ' dont forget america has its own problems and its own poor to worry about. nothing states that any country owes any other some kind of support. be thankful that countries like the US exist because if other regimes were "in power" the 3rd world would receive far less.

I think on balance the US does far more damage than good in this world. Maybe if they paid their UN dues I might think a little more kindly of them.

It's currently popular to hate the americans, but theyre still one of the largest contributers to the UN and even when it's running at a huge budget blowout like it is now, no one else is chipping in.
Personally I dont know why they bother, they donate billions in foreign aid to countries that consistantly vote against them and to some degree, hate them as well.
All's said and done, theyre the only ones doing anything out there in an active military role, you might not agree where or why they are sent but no one else is doing it on such a scale.

Coming down to brass tacks, if say Indonesia got plunged into a violent conflict with it's neighbours to the north of us or in widespread civil war, who do you think would try to stop it?
Certainly not going to be the Australian armed forces, they hate Australians more than each other
The chinese? The russians?
And would you really want the chinese and russian armies running around up there?

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Originally posted by Lilith It's currently popular to hate the americans, but theyre still one of the largest contributers to the UN and even when it's running at a huge budget blowout like it is now, no one else is chipping in. Personally I dont know why they bother, they donate billions in foreign aid to countries that consistantly vote against them and to some degree, hate them as well. All's said and done, theyre the only ones doing anything out there in an active military role, you might not agree where or why they are sent but no one else is doing it on such a scale. Coming down to brass tacks, if say Indonesia got plunged into a violent conflict with it's neighbours to the north of us or in widespread civil war, who do you think would try to stop it? Certainly not going to be the Australian armed forces, they hate Australians more than each other The chinese? The russians? And would you really want the chinese and russian armies running around up there?

God it's years since I've heard anyone use the "Save us from The yellow hordes to the North" line.

America will do what it always does, protect it's own interests! [I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that!] We've got heaps of natural resources!!Lots and lots of uranium!! Gee we might even get our own liberation force, oh wait, it's here and it's called John Howard!!
The sad thing is that at the moment a large number of americans are not happy with what their country is doing in the world but they are drowned out by the people who jump up everytime anyone says anything critical, with the "It's fashionable to hate America" line. Which is just a pathetic effort to justify little things like the invasion of Iraq.

I have enormous respect for the americans who not only aknowledge the problems of the world but actively try to right them. Bill and Melinda Gates are a great example.

Most of the world is just too busy just trying to survive to hate America.

I can't believe you actually gave them kudos for their "active military role" and scope thereof

Now if you want a fullon political debate here , I suggest we head off to the political forum and leave it until Monday because I'm having fun this weekend

Nah, I'll just do it here, seeing as this is the 'going to pooh' thread

"Save us from The yellow hordes to the North"
Where did I use that line?
Oh, thats right, I didnt.

I repeat it for you again.
Who would you trust too mop up a hypothetical violent conflict close to the northern borders of Australia?
China, Russia or the US.
It's pretty simple.
Pick one and justify it

Heres a related question for you.
Should there be a hypothetical violent conflict to the northern borders of Australia which crosses the international boundaries, who do you think will bother to do anything about it?
China, Russia or the US.
It's pretty simple.
Pick one and justify it

And our last one seeing as you have a weekend too think about it.
Should there be a hypothetical natural disaster in Australia which requires large amounts of foreign aid to repair the countries infrastructure. Who will be the majority contributer?
China, Russia or the US.
It's pretty simple.
Pick one and justify it

Where was I trying to justify the invasion of Iraq?
Oh, thats right, I didnt.

america contribute so much to the un cos they practically own it.

ps. id pick china to be the one looking out for us.

remember we did trust the us to mop up a violent conflict kinda near us - it was called vietnam.

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse america contribute so much to the un cos they practically own it. ps. id pick china to be the one looking out for us. remember we did trust the us to mop up a violent conflict kinda near us - it was called vietnam.

Oh and Lilith, if you are seriously interested in a good debate using actual facts and figures rather than pedantic arguments on who accused who of saying what!, I'll see you in the political forum monday. Have a good weekend.

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse ps. id pick china to be the one looking out for us. remember we did trust the us to mop up a violent conflict kinda near us - it was called vietnam.

Then you've probably not heard of the PRC�Vietnamese War of 1979 have you?
Meh, if I'm available monday I'll try.

nah i have - i aint saying china are saints either. i would prefer them tho over america

america does very similar things - its just gets to our ears in a very different way.

and pkc - yeah true america does have its own poor to worry about - pity they dont hey

okay enough politics for saturday morning lol

im with you lilith. the anti american sentiment that has engulfed the world is thoroughly deserved, but lets not lose sight of the fact that there are far worse regimes out there.

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I can't believe you actually gave them kudos for their "active military role" and scope thereof

sorry? how about kuwait, protection of taiwan, intervention in the balkans, their attempts in parts of africa like somalia. was removing taliban a bad thing? it was completely justified from where im sitting.

its always funny seeing people list vietnam on the long list of americas crimes, yet you dont see them mention the korean war. how much better off are the south koreans? how much better would the north be had we actually won that war?

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Originally posted by Dean Millson Yeah John Cage did a silent track in the 70's But Lump is a masterpiece imo. But i can see where you're coming from

Exactly. Lump is amazing, why would you "lump" it with the rest of teh shite that is TIAW. If it's a piss take of a CD, he's only tarnished Lump and his own reputation...

--djway

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im with you lilith. the anti american sentiment that has engulfed the world is thoroughly deserved, but lets not lose sight of the fact that there are far worse regimes out there. sorry? how about kuwait, protection of taiwan, intervention in the balkans, their attempts in parts of africa like somalia. was removing taliban a bad thing? it was completely justified from where im sitting.

Your examples actually back me up!! Either in their interest, or in a worth state than it was. The taliban are alive and well and coming back fast.You have been too busy trying to find jokes that will offend MissyM and not enough on current affairs

Same message to you, less rhetoric, more fun on weekends, and see in the political forum Monday

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dont forget america has its own problems and its own poor to worry about. nothing states that any country owes any other some kind of support. be thankful that countries like the US exist because if other regimes were "in power" the 3rd world would receive far less.

Yes that is true, shame about all the poor people living in America.

Ofcourse it doesnt state anywhere that any country owes any other some kind of support.

HOWEVER how the fark can others, especially powerful nations & the wealthy & anyone for that matter let injustice such as this occur in the world when SOMETHING can be done about it!






Does this look normal to you?
I dont know about any of you, but these images have mentally scarred me & truly break my heart.

While people are still starving to death & are malnourished, etc, yeah I know there are still many poor people in the US, however too many of them & people around the world are ordering supersize Macca's meals, etc.......

Yeah I know we all indulge here & there on whatever it may be......... just makes me think how lucky I really am & how grateful I am, I mean I even have what you might call a 'luxury' of having the net, while others are starving in the world & dont even know what the net is.

Its fucked up!

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Your examples actually back me up!! Either in their interest, or in a worth state than it was. The taliban are alive and well and coming back fast.You have been too busy trying to find jokes that will offend MissyM and not enough on current affairs

Didi spot on

Oh PKC the U.S took their damn well time to intervene in the Balkans, too many mass graves later.

Anyways i didnt want this to turn into a anti US flaming...

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Should there be a hypothetical violent conflict to the northern borders of Australia which crosses the international boundaries, who do you think will bother to do anything about it? China, Russia or the US. It's pretty simple. Pick one and justify it

Ofcourse the US would intervene, Howard is up Bush' ass, e.g: Howard wont ratify the Kyoto Protocol because the U.S dont want to ratify it!

ohhhyeahhhhhhhhhhhhh Michael Jackson

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Originally posted by DIDI Your examples actually back me up!! Either in their interest, or in a worth state than it was. The taliban are alive and well and coming back fast.You have been too busy trying to find jokes that will offend MissyM and not enough on current affairs Same message to you, less rhetoric, more fun on weekends, and see in the political forum Monday

oh, so the US is to blame for the taliban's resurgance? how do you figure that? how was zaire or rwanda or somalia in the US' interest? indeed, how were the balkans? can you please give me examples of other regimes putting ANY effort into similar situations as often as the US has?

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Originally posted by Missym Oh PKC the U.S took their damn well time to intervene in the Balkans, too many mass graves later.

if youre gonna argue about this sort of thing then at least have a small idea of what youre talking about. the number one reason it took so long to effect military pressure in the balkans was due to russia's posturing and their veto in the security council. not to mention the diplomatic wrangling that attacking a soverign state requires. what would you prefer- the US to lead an attack without the world's approval like they did in iraq?

but the fact remains, late or imperfect as the US-led effort was (in the balkans or elsewhere), NOBODY else was doing anything. so before all you people jump on the anti-US bandwagon, how bout you think about the rest of the world's nations and how they measure up in similar contexts.

as for the photos, of course theyre awful. but you have to ask yourself, is this the fault of the US and its allies, or the over-population of africa and their incessant civil wars? blame their governments first.

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Originally posted by djway Exactly. Lump is amazing, why would you "lump" it with the rest of teh shite that is TIAW. If it's a piss take of a CD, he's only tarnished Lump and his own reputation... --djway

hehe i really want to hear this album, but you know TIAW is just a sampler of his forthcoming artist album?

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I dont know about any of you, but these images have mentally scarred me & truly break my heart.

Dont talk about it, go there and see it for yourself, its not hard and theyre always looking for people with either administration or medical skills to help.
You don't have to come back and tell me how it smells either, that'll stay in the back of your brain forever and give you a few more reasons.

CBF anymore PKC, really really CBF. theres no point.
really.

i never said the pics were the fault of the U.S, once again taking my words out of context, i could go on but.....like i said CBF with it all....

LILITH lol
how do you know im not doing anything about it right now? What would you know seriously?
tell you about the SMELL? now why would i EVER even think about doing such a thing, the fact that you can even mention that clearly proves that you suffer from F.I.T.H syndrome.

MissyM has turned to pooh.

You have a PM on what I know, you probably won't like it but you probably should read it.

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Originally posted by MiSSyM how do you know im not doing anything about it right now? What would you know seriously?

lets have a poll shall we?

is missym putting more time, effort and money into alleviating famine and ensuring world peace

or something more like this?:

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Originally posted by MiSSyM Exactly, as with any pair of sunnies! Some sunnies with diamantes can look tacky (But usually Cavalli ones dont), all depends on the style & if its suits the person who is wearing it. these are different theres something about these that i like ohhhhello how retro are these i want em i want them all actually.

sms "dont throw stones in glass houses mandi" to vote in the poll.

bob sinclar.


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