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Originally posted by barosoap I second going to Santorini in the Greek Isles. If possible ride a donkey on the cliffs lol,

hold your nose! Donkey & Donkey pooh steps Bloody stinks in summer.

i go to france every year, and paris is always a good city to start in because u can grab a train to anywhere in europe from there, and plus its paris and there's a sh*tload of things to see and do

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Originally posted by jdat The French generally aren't big fans of foreign languages. In the Bordeaux area it should be more difficult than in Paris. Try your best to learn basic french and you'll be fine.

+1 but bordeaux mmh at least for wine castles people who do visit usually speak some english

but to be honest whole france is kinda reluctant to speak english or an another language than french
bring a dictionnary and lear basic stuffs like john said if u ever come to france

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Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_ hold your nose! Donkey & Donkey pooh steps Bloody stinks in summer.

haha that's true. The stink is pretty brutal, not for the faint hearted, but it's better than climbing the cliffs yourself! It's pretty damn steep.

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Originally posted by PvDoBseSSioN i go to france every year, and paris is always a good city to start in because u can grab a train to anywhere in europe from there, and plus its paris and there's a sh*tload of things to see and do

If you head south from Paris, definitely stop in Lyon, gastronomic capital of France and therfore the world Only caution is it's hard to get by without knowing French. I relied on a friend that was living there for the summer.

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Originally posted by barosoap If you head south from Paris, definitely stop in Lyon, gastronomic capital of France and therfore the world Only caution is it's hard to get by without knowing French. I relied on a friend that was living there for the summer.

i was born in france and was there til i was 12 so speaking french will not be a problem, im from the south west anyway

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Originally posted by PvDoBseSSioN i was born in france and was there til i was 12 so speaking french will not be a problem, im from the south west anyway

Sorry, I quoted you regarding France, but I meant that language comment for Slylee since she's the one planning a trip.

Ive never had a problem in france. I just flap my arms in the air & make weird gestures & people seem to understand. Im good at Charades. All the main tourist places speak english & alot of resturaunts have english menus. Learning the basics, knowing the city map & underground subway network helps.

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Originally posted by barosoap Sorry, I quoted you regarding France, but I meant that language comment for Slylee since she's the one planning a trip.

lol i know

For some reason I <3'd Bordeaux.

Slylee, go where your heart takes you, but one and only one rule (besides being safe, of course): plan well, but at the same time be open to being spontaneous

These trips are some of the only times we get to do whatever we want and just totally fuck off, what a feeling, get to a train station and decide not to board your train for Vienna and go to Budapest instead; meet these people from some crazy place on their way home and go with them for a few days, you can country-hop like in New York or Miami we bar hop




Next places on my list (SUMMER 2007 w000t!!)
- "Tours" of Serbia, Bosnia, and Bulgaria by my friends in those countries, hopefully will have time for several non-commercial places in each of those countries
- Possible weekend excursion to Greece from Bulgaria with Bulgarian friend
- Also considering Bucharest & Budapest b/c of proximity

If I get the internship in Vienna or Geneva I applied for, a long weekender in Croatia is definitely in order.

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss These trips are some of the only times we get to do whatever we want and just totally fuck off, what a feeling, get to a train station and decide not to board your train for Vienna and go to Budapest instead; meet these people from some crazy place on their way home and go with them for a few days, you can country-hop like in New York or Miami we bar hop

This is a great idea

http://www.polandtour.org/

FTW

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Originally posted by montana Ryanair is cheap, except you have to pay for having luggage & handbagage and yeah, food on the plane costs aswell and yeah. you don't get any space. and uhhm ye.

who told you that?

you don't pay for luggage on Ryanair: unless its over the maximum weight.

been to venice and monaco...fuckin awesome

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! who told you that? you don't pay for luggage on Ryanair: unless its over the maximum weight.

this is true, but the maximum weight is only like 10kg (20+ lbs), which you can easilly exceed for a week long trip

check www.skyscanner.net and www.kayak.com, youll find better deals than ryanair probably, and theyll be with legit airlines

plus with the legit airlines (swiss air, aegean, lufthansa, air france, brittish airways, etc) you get all you can drink b00ze

ryanair costs like 3 euros for a coke

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Originally posted by ATL_Trancer now, for holland, if there's one thing i can tell you, go to a festival there! mysteryland, extrema, and dance valley are out of this WORLD, amazing djs, production, and just plain size that youll never experince anywhere else you could probably go to amsterdam for just a hand full of days, start off with a festival, then have a day or two to chill out in the coffeeshops afterwards haha

Holland is the only place that I have kept on going back to, mainly now due to the friends I have made there I enjoy visiting them every year. I have been there 4 times in the last couple of years.

Catching a big festival is definitely key. I have been to Dance Valley for the last 3 years in a row now as well as other festivals there. It is an experience all on its own. I found that 2 weeks in Holland alone kept me very busy the second time I was there. There is a lot to see if you travel within the country to other cities as well.

From Holland as already stated, Belgium is very close and Germany is about 5 hours by train so you can also cover those cities if you wanted to. And I am pretty sure it is cheap to fly from NL to France or even the UK.

Gavin had a great post and once you get to the EU, it is much cheaper to travel within then to do it from here. Flights are much more reasonable. And just for a tip if you wanna hit up Ibiza for a few days; A round trip from NL to Ibiza was only 170 Euros when I checked it out for this past July.


Have fun wherever you decide to go!

I wouldn't bother with London. Just a big city with some kinda interesting parts really spaced out all over the place (takes ages to get from one "oh yeah just like on the postcards... next" place to another). Don't know why but I was totally underwhelmed by it.

Paris was way better, and Krakow (Poland) is very cool too. Apparently Prague is ace never been though.

Supose it's hard to balance not traveling all the time an not actually seeing much with just not seeing many places.

Europe in alot of ways is pretty similar to the US why not take a bit of north africa in too? Tunisa is ace and cheap, pop over to/from Italy. Then you can say you've been in Africa aswell.

Seriously though it is much more different that the majority of europe. Can see the Sahara and so on. And it's not far from Italy. Don't know how it would fit into your wider plans? Maybe fly into the Netherlands (or Paris maybe) do france, germany poland then travel through to itay (prague on the way?) end in tunisa (maybe even only a day in the market) then fly to the UK to see that and get the return flight? Would round off quite well and make good use of a rail card. Alot of places though...

by a euro rail ticket and train your way thru europe

If your around visit the UK I wouldn't miss visiting London brilliant city real cultural place, some really good sites, decent bars, restaurants and clubs. Good thing about the UK is you can get a train and be in another massive city within 2 - 3 hours, it's easy to travel around. Dublins a good laugh too but for the sake of your sanity don't visit the Guiness factory or you'll be bored shitless.

Continent wise the euro rail ticket is your best bet to get around. Southern France is wicked I really liked the Cote D Azur and Monaco (which was bit too over populated by tourists).

Netherlands, everyone rants on about Amsterdam I'd actually take sometime out and visit Rotterdam, my parents lived there back in the 70's so my Dad took me and my two siblings over to watch the football. Really clean place with really cool architecture. Germany I'd definatly visit Berlin it's a very intresting city.

Italy is a must I love the country, the food's brilliant and most the people are friendly Florence is a wicked city if you just go there and have a laugh don't get too involved with the history, only mega problem there is too many tourists, check out the south Amalfi if you can visit Sicily too.

Spains a bit hit and miss in my opinion don't hang around the majority of the coastal places as it's full of Brits on their annual holidays, check out Barcelona it's a brilliant city.

I'd try check out Riga in Lativia and Talinn in Estonia there supposidly really happening places, I'm going on a stag party in Riga next year so I'm really looking forward too it, plus it's not invaded by tourists etc. I've heard Croatia is a nice country and I've also heard good reports about Prague and Scandinavia too from mates.

Try to visit as many countries as possible but sink in the culture and sights of each place at the same time, If I had three weeks I'd spend about 2 - 3 days per place. The Euro Railcard is your most handy tool to get about once your on the continent itself if you decide to visit the UK or Ireland there is plenty of cheap flights ferries etc, and you have the euro tunnel which contects London to Paris.

Money wise depends on how you like to live personally, I wouldn't want to doss in some hostel in Europe with a load of college students I would of 3 years ago but I'm more of a hotel person. I'd take about �1500 - 2000 myself taking into account hotels, fine dining, alcohol, drugs etc.

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Originally posted by Dervish I wouldn't bother with London. Just a big city with some kinda interesting parts really spaced out all over the place (takes ages to get from one "oh yeah just like on the postcards... next" place to another). Don't know why but I was totally underwhelmed by it.

It's hit and miss with some people but most people I know love the place. You must live in a small village if you think all the intresting places in are London are spread out, if you walk it'll take time to get to but there is a tube (subway) system too. London's has some fantastic areas covent garden, camden town, Westminster etc.

Everyone has their opinions though for an example loads of people mentioned Paris, I think the place is fucking monotonous, there loads more better and intresting places in France to visit.

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan I'd take about �1500 - 2000 myself taking into account hotels, fine dining, alcohol, drugs etc.

which are ridiculously good and cheap compared to anything in the states

I lived in England when I was very little so I'm still kind of fond of it, weird thing was it was only when I left and came back about 10yrs later that I actually saw any of it. If money and time are tight, you could do a lot worse than just doing the British Isles in 2-3weeks checking out places like Wales, Ireland and Scotland.
They even "kind of" speak english (kidding!)
Hire a car, take the roads less travelled and see the sights and for the love of god/satan/sanity or whatever you value, stay the heck out of Backpacker Hostels unless theres absolutely no other option and even then, go looking for a good one. Of which theres not a lot them.
Bed and Breakfasts are the little secret, dont cost much more than a hostel and they feed you, about the only thing too watch is some of them have a curfew when if you arent in, you arent getting in. Personally, I'll sleep in my car before a backpacker hostel, some of them are nasty, well not so much theyre nasty but the people in there are generally bleh.

Mainland, been through most of it for work at the time which involved a lot of driving, decent motels and its all a bit of a blur really. I really did like northern europe and Germany (BMW hire car + Autobahn = win... ok so I'm easily amused) but eastern europe just struck me as being mostly tired and run down in spots. Plus it was full of lost american college kids chasing tail and cheap booze.
Southern, I preferred Greece too Spain, people in Greece are very unpretentious and gentle folk, food is unreal. Spain has some appealing parts too it like the south which has marvellous architecture and landscapes. France would have been more enjoyable if I wasnt working there, but to be honest some parts of it just pissed me off. But you have too visit Italy for the food and spend a bit of time there sometime.

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss Next places on my list (SUMMER 2007 w000t!!) - "Tours" of Serbia, Bosnia, and Bulgaria by my friends in those countries, hopefully will have time for several non-commercial places in each of those countries - Possible weekend excursion to Greece from Bulgaria with Bulgarian friend - Also considering Bucharest & Budapest b/c of proximity If I get the internship in Vienna or Geneva I applied for, a long weekender in Croatia is definitely in order.

You forgot Croatia!
I have such nice memories of that place ... haven't been back for tourism since the conflict unfortunately

Bulgarians are so friendly

and well whatever .... why am I even commenting as you seem to know all the cool places!

Vienna and Geneva <3

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Originally posted by Dervish I wouldn't bother with London. Just a big city with some kinda interesting parts really spaced out all over the place (takes ages to get from one "oh yeah just like on the postcards... next" place to another). Don't know why but I was totally underwhelmed by it.

London is really not tourist friendly from a technical point of view. Silly diagrammatic map of the underground system is confusing for tourists as it is not to scale.

I have been there a couple times and I love the city but yes it's very confusing.

My last time there I had the most surreal travel experience ever.
I went clubbing thursday night ( Bedrock with Digweed w00t! ) and walked out of the place in the morning ... friday ( GOOD FRIDAY! )
I walked for maybe 3 hours and got to see all the major spots without any tourists or traffic as it was a holiday so no one was going to work.

Just try and picture walking around London with the streets completely empty!

I have travelled tons but that had to be one of the most insane things ever

So people if you go somewhere on a holiday try to go out mega early so the streets may very well be empty!
This also applies in general visiting super early everywhere you go but there will be more car traffic.

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan Italy is a must I love the country, the food's brilliant and most the people are friendly Florence is a wicked city if you just go there and have a laugh don't get too involved with the history, only mega problem there is too many tourists, check out the south Amalfi if you can visit Sicily too.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH the Italians are friendly!
That's why they are so freaking loud when they talk!

Just kidding they're really friendly.
but yeah seriously loudest people ever when they're sitting at the restaurant etc yap yap yap LOUD LOUD LOUD

For some reason I picture Slylee as being a very loud girl I bet she'd love it over there for that reason!
And they are also cell phone addicts! People are ALWAYS on the freaking phones it's insane... last time I was there was 2000 or so and everyone already had a mobile. I wonder if it's worse now

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OHHHHHHHHHHHHH the Italians are friendly! That's why they are so freaking loud when they talk! Just kidding they're really friendly. but yeah seriously loudest people ever when they're sitting at the restaurant etc yap yap yap LOUD LOUD LOUD For some reason I picture Slylee as being a very loud girl I bet she'd love it over there for that reason! And they are also cell phone addicts! People are ALWAYS on the freaking phones it's insane... last time I was there was 2000 or so and everyone already had a mobile. I wonder if it's worse now

My parent's went out somewhere in sticks of Tuscany, the locals were very rude, but they've been all over Italy and think the people are brilliant. From my experience of Italy they've always been very welcoming.

Loudest has to be Spainish, I have a team full of Spanairds and a handfull of South Americans near me at work, I'm a talkative person but these lot natter on! It drives me mad I threaten to burn the Spanish flag they have proudly hung above their department.

Best thing about Europe, is every nationality seems to have it's own characteristics.

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan From my experience of Italy they've always been very welcoming.

You obviously haven't been to Milan


If I go to Europe for a month sometime, this is the route I want to follow. It's a lot, and it misses some of the more iconic stops in Europe (London, Paris, Amsterdam, etc.), but I want to see a less touristy Europe anyway.

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan It's hit and miss with some people but most people I know love the place. You must live in a small village if you think all the intresting places in are London are spread out, if you walk it'll take time to get to but there is a tube (subway) system too. London's has some fantastic areas covent garden, camden town, Westminster etc.

I am from a small village... but I've lived in a few cities too lol. Dunno maybe I was just in a bad mood when I was there doubt it though cos spent a fair bit of time in the hotel room with my (then) gf lol.

Liked Westminster houses were ace. Definate high point. But like say London Bridge and big ben were a bit a of a let down as was the palace. Look tourists and a big house.

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