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Richie Hawtin - Heard his stuff for the first time a couple years ago and it's pretty much what got me into minimal.

Eddie Halliwell !

His style and the way he gets the crowd going.

Matthew Dear


hands down

Even if we haven't seen them, can we not judge via mixes/sets?

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Originally posted by epdarks Even if we haven't seen them, can we not judge via mixes/sets?

Yes, but only to a lesser extent.

Zabiela for being himself.
Sasha for his great taste. He has offered much more to the scene than these superstar commercial trance DJs.
John 00 Fleming because he never got commercial and stayed true to his fav style.

not to be rude


but dance music IS commercial in ever sense of the word...


some more popular than others sure, but...

if one is implying that '00' is 'underground'...then I would definitley consider a re-evaluation of how huge these guys we are talking about are, as well as the music and the scene and how it all has become just that much more commercial in recent years.

Every genre there are commercial and underground elements.

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Originally posted by Raveaddict19 but dance music IS commercial in ever sense of the word...

Not true. Some dance is commercial, and cleary the "underground" stuff isn't. Dance music is such a broad term you cannot possibly classify it as just commercial. Sure it can be commercial, but it can also be many other things besides.

Jarv

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister Not true. Some dance is commercial, and cleary the "underground" stuff isn't. Dance music is such a broad term you cannot possibly classify it as just commercial. Sure it can be commercial, but it can also be many other things besides. Jarv

It is almost all commercial by definition as it is bought and sold.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations It is almost all commercial by definition as it is bought and sold.

We mean commercial in two difference senses. You refer to the commerce side, whereas I refer to the advertising of products.

When I refer to music as commercial, I refer to music that appeals to, and is aimed at, the pop type market. The type of music that is marketed and sold to people who don't neccessarily have the inclination to go out and delve into the 'less popular' artists.

Therefore I consider commercial dance to be something like "Hands Up For Detroit".

In the UK, we call it commercial because it is promoted commercially, ie it's advertised first (be it on the radio, or via posters and television performances etc) and thats how people become aware of it.

There is no commercial element to a lot of tracks I have on vinyl. If a label has been setup and run correctly the quality and style of what you can come to expect from them speaks for itself, thereby negating the requirement to commercially promote their releases.

Jarv

Most recently........Blake Jarrell.

Excellent DJ sets, stunning production.

Defo top 20 in next years top 100

Long standing admire of PVD and a Scottish guy called Colin Tevendale who inspired me to get decks in the first place.

Matt Darey as well.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister We mean commercial in two difference senses. You refer to the commerce side, whereas I refer to the advertising of products. When I refer to music as commercial, I refer to music that appeals to, and is aimed at, the pop type market. The type of music that is marketed and sold to people who don't neccessarily have the inclination to go out and delve into the 'less popular' artists. Therefore I consider commercial dance to be something like "Hands Up For Detroit". In the UK, we call it commercial because it is promoted commercially, ie it's advertised first (be it on the radio, or via posters and television performances etc) and thats how people become aware of it. There is no commercial element to a lot of tracks I have on vinyl. If a label has been setup and run correctly the quality and style of what you can come to expect from them speaks for itself, thereby negating the requirement to commercially promote their releases. Jarv

I don't think it's that black and white, but that's irrelevant. If you have it on record there is business going on somewhere, but never negate the fact that at almost every level of art there is business, from the venue, promoters, flyer printers, drink sales etc.

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Originally posted by A.B Most recently........Blake Jarrell. Excellent DJ sets, stunning production. Defo top 20 in next years top 100

wow thanks man!!!

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Originally posted by Allied Nations I don't think it's that black and white, but that's irrelevant. If you have it on record there is business going on somewhere, but never negate the fact that at almost every level of art there is business, from the venue, promoters, flyer printers, drink sales etc.

Absolutely, granted and 100% agreed. However, my point, or rather point of view, was that the term 'commercial music' refers to the presentation of the music as a product to the public, via commercials, billboards and TV appearances. To me music which isn't 'commercial' is sold on the strength of it's reputation, or rather that of the artist or label's.

In essence I think we're agreeing, no? I mean surely when you use the word 'commercial music' you can't really mean everything created and produced by the music industry? Surely in that case you'd just call it music and the word commercial would become redundant, since all music is commercial. It would be like refering to food as edible food.

Jarv

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Originally posted by Allied Nations It is almost all commercial by definition as it is bought and sold.

if we're going to technicalities, you buy the medium, not the music. with vinyl, you buy wax. with beatport, you buy 1s and 0s. you don't buy... "the music".

Francois Kevorkian, Or Francois K. He remixed one of my favourite songs ever and he's been doing it a lot longer and a lot better than most of the big names out there today. Complete genius.

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