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Originally posted by magikb /inserts sarcastic comment here.

Kinda describes you on a night out eh? Esp. when you drink a bit.

Starts out all nice and innocent. Then as the night goes on, Jenn goes karaaaaazy

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Originally posted by oldschool420 I highly suggest you watch Al Gore's: An Inconvinient Truth and read up a little more on this stuff. The CO2 we are putting into the air is MASSIVELY higher because of of us when compared to the last 500 000 years. There are some facts in that movie that will blow your mind. Global Warming is happening wether you want to believe or not.

alright, well I was a bit sarcastic, but on a serious note from what I read quickly so far, everything suggests, that yes GW is inevitably happening, but it is highly exaggerated

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Originally posted by disko-kandi what rock have you been living under? the heat wave in the Mediterranean over the past 3 summers has been so unbearable that a lot of people have died and even rivers have dried out. the issue of global warming started being tabled by the UN internationally in the early 80's (first world conference in Rio de Janeiro...but then again you may not remember that cos you're to busy looking for rip off gucci purses)

for the past 10 years I've been living on a rock called Cyprus, whis IS in the Mediterranean region and the number of people dying from that particular Mediterranean heat, even higher then normal summer temperatures hasn't been any higher then usual... yes temperatures in certain parts of Europe (Italy, France, even Englad at certain points during July-August hot season period) have been higher, but if you bothered to read the articles I quoted, you'd pick up on a certain pinch of sarcasm in my question, since I have NOT denied the existance of GW, merely questioning the global spectrum of it's force.

fuck snow, i've seen enough of it
loving the green view

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Originally posted by geroin fuck snow, i've seen enough of it loving the green view

I love this city!

at least i get to see lovely lovely piles of snow!

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew alright, well I was a bit sarcastic, but on a serious note from what I read quickly so far, everything suggests, that yes GW is inevitably happening, but it is highly exaggerated

I agree it may be somewhat exaggerated BUT why not do something about it now, before it gets out of control? We have the technology to do so, so we can only hope that change will come sooner rather than later.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew for the past 10 years I've been living on a rock called Cyprus, whis IS in the Mediterranean region and the number of people dying from that particular Mediterranean heat, even higher then normal summer temperatures hasn't been any higher then usual...yes temperatures in certain parts of Europe (Italy, France, even Englad at certain points during July-August hot season period) have been higher, but if you bothered to read the articles I quoted, you'd pick up on a certain pinch of sarcasm in my question, since I have NOT denied the existance of GW, merely questioning the global spectrum of it's force.

i was there when the heat wave was on. i saw the Danube being lower than it's ever been even since before my grandparents were kids. i know people who died and i know for a fact that there was high alert b/c of the daily high death rates in decades in Italy, France, Germany etc.

and you're right - i don't bother reading your articles.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 I agree it may be somewhat exaggerated BUT why not do something about it now, before it gets out of control? We have the technology to do so, so we can only hope that change will come sooner rather than later.

of course, major pollutants have the access to and resources to install pollution control devices/filters, another question is - do they want to channel those resources into something which doesn't return direct profit

i'm highly in favour of Kyoto Protocol and agreements of this kind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol), however some coutries are reluctant to sign them or even stay within the agreement, due to various reasons (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/...y Kyoto Retreat)

but every effort counts, even if it's just on individual basis, because whatever starts at a local basis always has a potential to grow to a bigger, national/global level

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Originally posted by disko-kandi and you're right - i don't bother reading your articles.

so why do you claim my remark was midless? you have completely misunderstood what I was trying to say and did the usual TA thing, jump in with unneeded insult

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess at least i get to see lovely lovely piles of snow!

And fresh sausage, WOOT!

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Originally posted by oldschool420 I agree it may be somewhat exaggerated BUT why not do something about it now, before it gets out of control? We have the technology to do so, so we can only hope that change will come sooner rather than later.

It's called politics...

Take for example Kyoto...I mean it's a big step...but ideally, more strict policies have to be enforced and I think more countries should step up and become more proactive rather than having the superpowers calling the shots...

I'm sure the environment is a problem that needs to be identified by our government and I'm sure there are people advocating the issue...but either our government isn't doing a good job of enforcing the laws here or the government is avoiding the issue altogether because it may pose conflicts on several large companies...

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Originally posted by sticky_shoes It's called politics... Take for example Kyoto...I mean it's a big step...but ideally, more strict policies have to be enforced and I think more countries should step up and become more proactive rather than having the superpowers calling the shots... I'm sure the environment is a problem that needs to be identified by our government and I'm sure there are people advocating the issue...but either our government isn't doing a good job of enforcing the laws here or the government is avoiding the issue altogether because it may pose conflicts on several large companies...

Thanks. Like I didn't already know this. These are all excuses for avoiding something than can become an Issue for our future generations. Have all the money you want, but if 1/10 of the world becomes inhumane to live in, what's going to happen?

edit: This is why it has to become a GLOBAL problem. Yes we need to do our own individual changes BUT there has to be international laws that prevent countries such as China and even North America from polluting so damn much.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 Thanks. Like I didn't already know this. These are all excuses for avoiding something than can become an Issue for our future generations. Have all the money you want, but if 1/10 of the world becomes unhumane to live in, what's going to happen?

well unfortunately a lot of them have problems seeing the scientific facts and understanding the scope of possible danger... and future generations are def not in their top list of priorities

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew well unfortunately a lot of them have problems seeing the scientific facts and understanding the scope of possible danger... and future generations are def not in their top list of priorities

Exactly. They'd rather live well while they are alive and fuck the world over for us rather than have to "suffer" some changes.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 Have all the money you want, but if 1/10 of the world becomes inhumane to live in, what's going to happen? edit: This is why it has to become a GLOBAL problem. Yes we need to do our own individual changes BUT there has to be international laws that prevent countries such as China and even North America from polluting so damn much.

I agree and it's sad that a minority have this mindset about the environment...

I guess we'll have to learn things the hard way

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Originally posted by oldschool420 Exactly. They'd rather live well while they are alive and fuck the world over for us rather than have to "suffer" some changes.

there needs to be massive collective action in order to change the way they see this... I mean even Greenpeace sometimes cannot get changes through

the only thing i'm not particularly in favour of, is this polluting rights trading... i really think instead of that, there should be a more strict, lower quota of amount of pollution permited (if any at all!)... why don't governments subsidize pollution control devices? (i'm not 100% sure about that, but governments don't, right?)

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Originally posted by oldschool420 Exactly. They'd rather live well while they are alive and fuck the world over for us rather than have to "suffer" some changes.

To play a bit of devil's advocate, most nations run on a deficit budget and still have debts to pay off.

Long term planning becomes less important when short term difficulties and problems seem more pressing. *shrug*

I do not believe that Kyoto is the answer. A one-size-fits-all strategy for all countries to reduce thier polution is not realistic. That is one of the big problems I have with the Liberal party right now.

Subsidizing pollution control devices is a complicated issue. Take the oil industry for example. This industry has high potential for polution, but it's not exactly a good thing for governments to be subsidizing booming industries.

You guys are right that this is an international issue, but I think we as a nation need to worry more about what we are doing about how much polution we cause, considering we are one of the worst nations in the developed world.

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Originally posted by The Highroller I do not believe that Kyoto is the answer. A one-size-fits-all strategy for all countries to reduce thier polution is not realistic. That is one of the big problems I have with the Liberal party right now. Subsidizing pollution control devices is a complicated issue. Take the oil industry for example. This industry has high potential for polution, but it's not exactly a good thing for governments to be subsidizing booming industries. You guys are right that this is an international issue, but I think we as a nation need to worry more about what we are doing about how much polution we cause, considering we are one of the worst nations in the developed world.

I'm gonna have to agree with you Graham. I never really liked Kyoto. Yes it is a step in the right direction but it's not the proper solution. A start would be to stop selling/using coal here on the west coast or at least changing over to the new plasma coal plants that produce very small amounts of emissions. Hopefully Hybrid cars will become even cheaper and also another option as Brazil did, is changing over to ethanol as fuel. There are SO many things we can be doing that we aren't. Some people don't like Harper's withdrawl from the Kyoto, but I think he made the right choice. If he is smart, he can do alot better things with that 5 billion. Lets just hope he does.

An Inconvenient Truth
http://www.climatecrisis.net

- a new movie about our climate and how the effect of our lives is destroying our planet for our future generations. Humanity is sitting on a ticking time bomb.



quite a wake-up call.

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Originally posted by The Highroller [color=ccff00]I do not believe that Kyoto is the answer.

id definatley agree with you but its a step in the right direction.
an international effort is the only way anything is going to happen obviously

but personally, i think future generations and quite possibly our old age years are fucked regardless.

Re: Looks like it will be a green Christmas...

NOT. IMPRESSED.

I really hate hate hate green Christmas.

It just isnt the same when its Christmas time, Xmas eve and especially Christmas Day without any (or little) snow!

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Originally posted by EvilTree The question remains how much of global warming nowaday is Earth's natural warming up process and how much of it is due to human activity.

EXACTLY. Global warming is not a proven phenomenon!

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Originally posted by oldschool420 I just can't believe some people think we have no impact on the environment with all the shit was are pumping into the air.

One doesn't have to think it has NO EFECT.

But I believe the effect of it is incredibly exaggerated and a natural warming phenomenon/cycle of the Earth is the primary reason for these warming temps on average.

Im sure polluting effects the earth, but not on the scale many want or seem to believe. Polluting is bad regardless and cutting down is a good thing and should be aggressively pursued.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 why not do something about it now, before it gets out of control? We have the technology to do so, so we can only hope that change will come sooner rather than later.

+1

this is a proven phenomenon

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar One doesn't have to think it has NO EFECT. But I believe the effect of it is incredibly exaggerated and a natural warming phenomenon/cycle of the Earth is the primary reason for these warming temps on average. Im sure polluting effects the earth, but not on the scale many want or seem to believe. Polluting is bad regardless and cutting down is a good thing and should be aggressively pursued.

how is that possible? the temperature only started to rise in the last 50years or so after we started polluting the earth. We've done more damage in the last 100years than in the last 5billion years before that.

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Originally posted by The Wiz Ill get plenty of snow at home- it just isnt xmas without it

You're completley right, Hils! I wish we had snow up here in Collingwood.

We had over 3 feet last week! and now its gone

i dont want a green xmas!

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Originally posted by Playa24_7 Come on, is anyone canadian here? lol.

Ya! lol, embrance the snowy weather for around Xmas. Im happy myself personally with snow around the beginning to middle of november till the end of January!

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Originally posted by nadezhda this totally SUCKS. why the hell would you want a green christmas? it's just not on.

They do suck!

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Originally posted by The Highroller You may like global warming now, but did you like it 2 years ago in the summer time when it was too hot to go outside during the day and the evening for 90% of the summer?

I liked the exact OPPOSITE of what you're stating there!

I HATE the lack of snow right nwo, and I LOVED the massive heat 2 years ago! I wish we'd get weather like that again! I fucking loved that summer beyond words. It was perfect for me!

(and I was living on the 3rd floor of an house with NO A/C!! I didnt even have a portable window A/C unit in my room like my 3 other roomies did either!!)

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew too hot to go out, well big deal, you get used to it the way you get used to freezing weather high 40C's in summer is a usual thing in Mediterranean and it's pretty bearable

Definitely! 40+ is fine for me in the summer. Doesnt take me much to get used to it. And I would walk to and from work too in that heat!

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