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Originally posted by Danny Ocean i know tons of rich fat bastards so this is not true.

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Poverty link Some obesity co-factors are resistant to the theory that the "epidemic" is a new phenomenon. In particular, a class co-factor consistently appears across many studies. Comparing net worth with BMI scores, a 2004 study[9] found obese American subjects approximately half as wealthy as thin ones. When income differentials were factored out, the inequity persisted � thin subjects were inheriting more wealth than fat ones. A higher rate of lack of education and tendencies to rely on cheaper fast foods is seen as a reason why these results are so dissimilar. Another study finds women who married into higher status are predictably thinner than women who married into lower status.

sure, there are plenty of fat fucks with money out there, but i think there's a much clearer association between obesity and the lower class.

I also think that a large part of it has to do with American culture. We're always in a rush, grabbing what we can eat on the go. We don't have any traditional dishes I can think of (um...hamburgers and hotdogs?) that haven't been adopted from other societies. Family meals are less common than in the past.

Even when we go to a restaurant...you're in and out within an hour. When I visited France, our tourguide yelled at us one night for eating our dinner too fast. He said, "What is your rush! You're not in America right now! Sit and ENJOY THE FOOD!"

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Originally posted by Caela I also think that a large part of it has to do with American culture. We're always in a rush, grabbing what we can eat on the go. We don't have any traditional dishes I can think of (um...hamburgers and hotdogs?) that haven't been adopted from other societies. Family meals are less common than in the past.

CliffsNotes: Convenience, is what makes most Americans so lazy. Sad, but true.

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Originally posted by EXTREMUM CliffsNotes: Convenience, is what makes most Americans so lazy. Sad, but true.

In a nutshell, exactly what I was trying to say. Lol, thx for condensing 3 of my posts into one sentence.

if you fidget you burn an extra 300 calories a day

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Originally posted by Caela In a nutshell, exactly what I was trying to say. Lol, thx for condensing 3 of my posts into one sentence.

LOL, no problem. At least, I took the time to read your posts, and analyze them properly. Furthermore, I agree with you.

I disagree with the whole Income/Social Class, and how Myra states it's relative to obesity. No disrepsect to Myra, but that's the most ridiculous theory I've heard all month, on TA.

In addition, again...

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Originally posted by EXTREMUM It's not about the money - it's about personal preference. Are you athletic, or a couchpotato? Do you watch what you eat, or do you eat carelessly, upon impulse? Answer to Obesity: SELF-CONTROL. /thread

Price: $0.

Make them pay higher taxes. I would also tax junk food like they do with alcohol and cigarettes.

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Originally posted by EXTREMUM I disagree with the whole Income/Social Class, and how Myra states it's relative to obesity. No disrepsect to Myra, but that's the most ridiculous theory I've heard all month, on TA.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...G=Google+Search

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Originally posted by Orbax http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...G=Google+Search

It seems as if these articles' conclusions are against of Myra's opinion...

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Originally posted by WebMD Rich-Poor Gap Narrowing in Obesity Obesity rising in all income levels, especially among the rich By Miranda Hitti WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD May 2, 2005 -- Obesity is on the rise across America, and earning a lot of money doesn't necessarily protect against it. Previously, obesity was associated more with poverty than wealth, say University of Iowa researchers including Nidhi Maheshwari, MBBS, a graduate research assistant in epidemiology. But during the past 30 years, obesity has grown at all income levels -- especially among the richest Americans, say the researchers, who reported their findings in Washington at the American Heart Association's 45th Annual Conference on Cardiovascular Disease Epidemiology and Prevention. "There has been a perception that poor people are more likely to be fat," says Maheshwari, in a news release. "However, obesity is growing at a much faster rate in those with the highest incomes." Thick Wallet, Thick Waistline? Obesity is still most common among those with the lowest incomes -- but not by much. People earning the most money ($60,000 per year or more) had the biggest growth in obesity from the early 1970s to the turn of the century, say Maheshwari and colleagues. "The fact is that obesity is increasing in all races, all income categories, and at a faster rate with people in higher incomes," says the University of Iowa's Jennifer Robinson, MD, MPH, in a news release. "Obesity prevalence is now similar across all income categories, with obesity prevalence in the highest income group rapidly approaching that of the lowest income group," says Robinson, an associate professor of epidemiology who also worked on the study.

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Originally posted by Orbax http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...G=Google+Search

But it's kind of the deal with what came first, the chicken or the egg?

If you're going to argue the income/obesity point:

A. Is it that because of low income, people are less likely to eat properly/have more time to exercise?

B. Is it that because of obesity, large people are less desirable to fill certain job positions, resulting in a low income. As much as we don't want to admit it, we are a very superficial society and if a tall, thin, blonde is competing against a short, overweight woman (equally qualified), who do you think is going to get the job?

That poor people are obese more often than rich ones is not just a "theory," it's a fact. Why it occurs is what is debatable.

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Originally posted by EXTREMUM I disagree with the whole Income/Social Class, and how Myra states it's relative to obesity. No disrepsect to Myra, but that's the most ridiculous theory I've heard all month, on TA.

actually, it's not so ridiculous. here's some more reading for you knuckleheads...


http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...40105071229.htm

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Obesity in the United States is in part an economic issue, according to a review paper on the relationship between poverty and obesity published in the January 2004 edition of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. The article suggests that the very low cost of energy-dense foods may be linked to rising obesity rates. "It's a question of money," Drewnowski said. "The reason healthier diets are beyond the reach of many people is that such diets cost more. On a per calorie basis, diets composed of whole grains, fish, and fresh vegetables and fruit are far more expensive than refined grains, added sugars and added fats. It's not a question of being sensible or silly when it comes to food choices, it's about being limited to those foods that you can afford." ... Obesity in the United States has become a social and economic issue that is resisting conventional medical approaches. "Genetics and family history can predict whether you will become obese but then so can your ZIP code," Drewnowski said. "If poverty and obesity are truly linked, it will be a major challenge to stay poor and thin."

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBA...lnk=7447&More=Y

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"Obesity is linked to social class, being more common among those in the routine or semi-routine occupational groups than the managerial and professional groups. The link is stronger among women. In 2001, 30 per cent of women in routine occupations were classified as obese compared with 16 per cent in higher managerial and professional occupations."

fucks sake, just do a google search for "poverty obesity" and check out all the results that come up... or go to the grocery store and see how much the healthy food costs compared to the junk food. it's common sense, really.

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Originally posted by l�cid actually, it's not so ridiculous. here's some more reading for you knuckleheads... http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...40105071229.htm http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBA...lnk=7447&More=Y fucks sake, just do a google search for "poverty obesity" and check out all the results that come up... or go to the grocery store and see how much the healthy food costs compared to the junk food. it's common sense, really.

Those articles are pure ignorance.

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Originally posted by EXTREMUM I disagree with the whole Income/Social Class, and how Myra states it's relative to obesity. No disrepsect to Myra, but that's the most ridiculous theory I've heard all month, on TA. In addition, again... Price: $0.

It depends really you get fat rich bastards and you get fat poor scrubbers.

In the Uk the North for an example is a more industrial area a bit poorer then the south. People in general eat more stodgy food due to manual labour etc, however the industries linked to them areas have died out but they eat the same stuff. However there is Skinny Northerners and fat Southerners etc.

But as I say tax them. Where people go wrong is their fucking shit parents If you stuff your fat cakehole full of McDonalds in front of your kids what do you think they'll end up doing? It needs to start in Education, people need to be educated what's acceptable to eat what proportions and what food types. In return they need to be encouraged to excercise.

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan It depends really you get fat rich bastards and you get fat poor scrubbers. In the Uk the North for an example is a more industrial area a bit poorer in the south. People in general eat more stodgy food due to manual labour etc, however the industries linked to them areas have died out but they eat the same stuff. However there is Skinny Northerners and fat Southerners etc. But as I say tax them. Where people go wrong is their fucking shit parents If you stuff your fat cakehole full of McDonalds in front of your kids what do you think they'll end up doing? It needs to start in Education, people need to be educated what's acceptable to eat what proportions and what food types. In return they need to be encouraged to excercise.

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Originally posted by EXTREMUM It's not about the money - it's about personal preference. Are you athletic, or a couchpotato? Do you watch what you eat, or do you eat carelessly, upon impulse? Answer to Obesity: SELF-CONTROL. /thread

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Originally posted by EXTREMUM Those articles are pure ignorance.

you're free to believe whatever you want to believe, but the facts are there for you.

Do you know what fucking seriously annoys me with some fat people.
When they have to travel around on one them scooter mobility things which old people use. I work near a busy shopping centre and see no ends of blatently obese people using them, It's hardly like their cripples, I feel like ripping them out of them and making them walk.

Wow, this thread has turned into the direction of shear shallowness. I'm done here.

PS - I'm 5'8" 3/4 @ 165lbs. I'm not obese.

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Originally posted by EXTREMUM Wow, this thread has turned into the direction of shear shallowness. I'm done here.

You're the one spearheading the charge - The complete ignorance you've displayed in here, and utter faux-intellectual rubbish you spew forth is absolutely fucking ridiculous. You haven't a clue m8 - you shouldn't try to argue when you know you're wrong.

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Originally posted by tubularbills one solution. put the fucking fork down.

LOL + 1.

950,000 people in the US will die every year from cardi-vascular related illnesses.
About 2/3rds of those are preventable and it's because people eat, not just too much food, but too much sugar in what they eat along with the fact that dietary information is fairly bad.
But you say, 'oh Lilith, everyone knows sugar is bad' and people go out of their way to avoid the things with sugar in them, well...
See this is where we get into the murky area of what 'is' a sugar.

Long and short of it, I go to the US and get sick from sugar in everything, so I did some looking around-

Sugar as in cane and beet sugar is fairly clearly labelled on most commodities but whats a little less obvious is the use of fructose.
Fructose's are sweeteners and of particular note is the high fructose corn syrups which are sometimes labelled as a "HFCS" and this stuff was quite happily it seems to be dumped in virtually everything that was a processed food and some where I never expected it like milk. It's basically sugar, just with a different name for all effects and purposes but it does get converted into fatty acids at a greater rate from memory.

Bit more digging around and it came down to either starving or looking for something organic and expensive to substitute into what I'd normally eat and that wasnt easy either. A lot of what has 'natural' on the label can have HFCS added to it without violating any local laws there and this is where it started getting kind of murky and worrisome as I was reduced to fruit, some kinds of bread and small amounts of meat.
Theres a general preference in the US to use a HFCS over a cane sugar because of the agricultural policy of the government, sugar in fairly much any country you can name is always a heavily subsidised commodity to support the people growing it. So I wasnt terribly suprised to find a lot of it wandering around, the main provider of such things like processed farm produce, (flour and things like HFCS) is a company called Archer Daniels Midland which I was passingly familiar with from commodities trading.
This is kind of interesting too-
http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_politic...len_Andreas.php
Seems to keep a lot of politicians in his good books, which in turn seems to pay off in the long run because they allow you to sell products in an environment where laws are favourable to you selling a lot of them.

"Interesting..."
(Damn, politicians are cheap, I'm going to buy me one as a pet! $5000 a year and maybe he'll even mow my lawns, wash the car and dance for my plea... eew no maybe not that last one)

Would it be too presumptuous for me to say, a great deal of poor nutrition stems back to governments allowing companies to produce food which has added ingrediants that arent healthy to the population in such large amounts?
I dont think so, seeing as sugars and salts get labelled as being the prime evils of heart disease, obesity and other diseases like diabetes. It's also a very different version of what I generally used to take for granted as being 'natural' as well. Change the label and it ceases to be as demonised.



Course, this wasnt as interesting it seems to most people as religous fanatics in foreign countries blowing people up, so my topic died.

I work at a locally made chocolate shop...we sell chocolate for $45/lb and truffles for $1.95 each. RIP. OFF. It pisses the shit out of me when rich fatasses come in and spend $300 on chocolate. I think we should refuse sale.

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Originally posted by Caela I work at a locally made chocolate shop...we sell chocolate for $45/lb and truffles for $1.95 each. RIP. OFF. It pisses the shit out of me when rich fatasses come in and spend $300 on chocolate. I think we should refuse sale.

Up the price and gob in the chocolate mix or better still put a nice dose of laxatives in there.

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Originally posted by Caela I work at a locally made chocolate shop...we sell chocolate for $45/lb and truffles for $1.95 each. RIP. OFF. It pisses the shit out of me when rich fatasses come in and spend $300 on chocolate. I think we should refuse sale.

What sort of cunt spends 150 quid on chocolate? Fuck me pink...

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Originally posted by EXTREMUM It's not about the money - it's about personal preference. Are you athletic, or a couchpotato? Do you watch what you eat, or do you eat carelessly, upon impulse? Answer to Obesity: SELF-CONTROL. /thread

Michael - i'm not trying to make you look stupid or argue with you here, i'm just trying to lay the facts out for you so that you might learn that my ridiculous beliefs and theories are pretty common.

you keep re-posting your statement about the answer to obesity being self control, but have you thought that maybe people in the lower class don't really have a choice when it comes to self control? people living on welfare don't get to "control" what they eat... they're forced to eat cheap food regardless of how unhealthy it is. not everyone has the option of eating a healthy meal and then going out for a 20 minute jog.

there are many causes for obesity, from genetic to environmental, and you can't just rule out economic status as an environmental factor.

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