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my wife almost choked on my christmas ham . .

worst thread ever. ?

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue threadstarter i assume by saying that we are all "conformists' then you must be a non-conformist. but by being a non-conformist, you are conforming to the ideologies on non-conformity. therefore you yourself are a conformist, conforming to all of the other "non-conformists."

Technically, conformist is someone who conforms to established standards of conduct (especially in religious matters).
Now, the thread starter is not keen to take part in the festivity, which is an established standard of conduct of conformists who celebrate christmas.
By conforming to the ideals of non-conformists, he is a non-conformist and not a conformist.

My 2 cents.

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Originally posted by Omega_M Technically, conformist is someone who conforms to established standards of conduct (especially in religious matters). Now, the thread starter is not keen to take part in the festivity, which is an established standard of conduct of conformists who celebrate christmas. By conforming to the ideals of non-conformists, he is a non-conformist and not a conformist. My 2 cents.

semantics aside, he's still a goof.

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Originally posted by Minhaj i hope u all choke on ur holiday ham (or turkey, pork pies etc.)

Right, and you're NOT a conformist when you talk like some thug? And you're not even black, lol. Brown is close, but not close enough, fag.

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Originally posted by Jansa I'd say the most fucked up thing is, that when you tell people that it's a day of happiness, they actually feel happy.

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Originally posted by Omega_M I blame it all on social conditioning and poor quality of life. We deceive ourselves into thinking that this particular day only, is a day of true happiness.

We live in a post modern world, everything including reality itself is a social construct. Neurologically apparently synthesized happiness is no different to so-called "real" happiness so who gives a fuck. Xmas, Hanukkah, Kwaanza, flying spaghetti monster day, whatever.. yay an excuse to get drunk and synthesize joy! quit being party poopers and start getting wasted!

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Originally posted by astroboy We live in a post modern world, everything including reality itself is a social construct. Neurologically apparently synthesized happiness is no different to so-called "real" happiness so who gives a fuck. Xmas, Hanukkah, Kwaanza, flying spaghetti monster day, whatever.. yay an excuse to get drunk and synthesize joy! quit being party poopers and start getting wasted!

Ted Talks, eh ?
Freedom of choice is the enemy of synthesized happiness
what you say is true. But what I said is not false either. It's actually quite relevant in the context of the conformists.

I managed to drink a third of my body weight in beer in the last 3 days and I'm prepared to vomit on conformists and filthy hippies alike.

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Originally posted by Omega_M Ted Talks, eh ?

Yeah I lost the link to the thread. Though I have always believed that emotions are synthesized and we have the capacity to choose them.. just seemed like common sense to me.

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Freedom of choice is the enemy of synthesized happiness

I would say quite the opposite. If the dichotomy is between the paradigm of "real happiness" and synthesized happines" then the latter model is more in line with fre will. The idea of "real happiness" as something that, rather than choosing to feel on some level, just happens to you and is outside of your control is the enemy of free will.
The idea that all hapiness is synthesized means that once you are aware of that fact you can choose to feel it whenever you want.
People like Victor Frankl (sp?) and Mandella realised this when incarcerated. The one freedom that can't be taken away from you without your complicity is your freedom to choose how to react emotionally to any situation.

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what you say is true. But what I said is not false either. It's actually quite relevant in the context of the conformists.

What you say may be true for some, but I wouldn't count myself among them. I freely choose to synthesise happiness on this day . In a world where every decision you make is affected by social conditioning, my decision to be happy is just as free as any other decision I can make. To my mind there is no sin in conformity so long as you don't deny the fact that you have made a choice. So long as you do not act in bad faith it's all good.

It's all over.

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Originally posted by jennypie fag.

****bag

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Originally posted by astroboy I would say quite the opposite. If the dichotomy is between the paradigm of "real happiness" and synthesized happines" then the latter model is more in line with fre will. The idea of "real happiness" as something that, rather than choosing to feel on some level, just happens to you and is outside of your control is the enemy of free will.

I was only quoting Ted from the lecture. Those were more or less his exact words.

Here's my take.

The dichotomy between the two paradigms exists only if you consider one to be inferior/superior to the other. In the end, if both will result in the same feeling of happiness, then they differ only in the ability to choose things that make you happy.

"Real happiness" is in line with free will when given 10 things to do, I choose to pursue 3 and discard the rest. Then the pleasurable sense of achievement is "real happiness". But in the larger sense, I am "free" to choose amongst these 10 things only, and really there are 1000s of things I am not free to choose. Hence, I am more or less working in a restricted space. But I am better off than someone like Victor Frankl, whose options are even more severely restricted than me.

Synthesized happiness is when I try to seek the same feeling of happiness by choosing to do things when my options are severely limited. In that case, I will simulate the same feeling of happiness by adjusting my priorities in such a way that I now seek things which are within the restricted space.

Either way, I choose to adapt to external circumstances, and in the end, seek what I want. The feeling of Happiness.

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The idea that all hapiness is synthesized means that once you are aware of that fact you can choose to feel it whenever you want. People like Victor Frankl (sp?) and Mandella realised this when incarcerated. The one freedom that can't be taken away from you without your complicity is your freedom to choose how to react emotionally to any situation.

Victor Frankl's example is best illustrated by Stephan Covey in his book on seven habits, where he says, between the stimulus and the response, man has the freedom to choose. People's response however, is governed more by conditioning than by free choice. The extremely harsh conditions of nazi concentration camp made Victor Frankl aware of this fundamental human right. Ordinarily I doubt if people can realize this simple fact as obvious. Even if they are aware of it, I doubt if many people actually choose to behave in this manner. In all the examples given by Ted in his talk, I am sure these people became aware of this right only after going through a phase of desperation as they tried to react in a way governed by their life long conditioning.

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What you say may be true for some, but I wouldn't count myself among them. I freely choose to synthesise happiness on this day . In a world where every decision you make is affected by social conditioning, my decision to be happy is just as free as any other decision I can make. To my mind there is no sin in conformity so long as you don't deny the fact that you have made a choice. So long as you do not act in bad faith it's all good.

If you freely choose your response to synthesize happiness, then I must say you are in the minority. Not many people do that. It is what people should do, and thus end their misery. But they don't.

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