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This is a discussion thread for those who own it or plan to buy it. I believe that was the thread starters intention to begin with. So can we please get back to discussing the topic or am I being narrowminded.

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Originally posted by RJT And FYI, the list of PS3 exclusive titles right now is essentially empty. 90% of what's showing up on PS3 WILL be showing up on the 360 at the same time - The other %10 will undoubtedly make it's way to 360 when developers realize that the PS3 isn't making them any money and is an absolute **** to develop for. I'm sure many of you will think this a standard "anti-Sony" response - But nothing I've said is speculation; it's fact. Sony made a massive error with their approach to PS3 - Those of you who can't seem to bring yourselves to acknowledge it in the face of the evidence given are merely telling yourselves lies.

Analysts Predict A Solid Holiday for the PS3
Sony will likley see repectable sales in 2006.
by Micah Seff
January 5, 2007 - Gamesindustry.biz is reporting that Nintendo's newest console, the Wii, has surpassed previous sales estimates by analyst group Lazard Capital. The console has likely sold over 1.2 million units in the US in its first six weeks on store shelves.

"Our checks indicate that Nintendo's Wii console continues to sell well, while Sony's PS3 supplies improved somewhat towards the end of the holiday period," said Colin Sebastian of Lazard Capital.

Competitors Sony and Microsoft saw similarly successful holidays in 2006. Sony's new PlayStation 3 is assumed to have sold around 700,000 units, while Lazard Capital predicts that Microsoft's Xbox 360 will have just reached 4.5 million consoles in North America by December 30.

The same firm also predicted that US software sales will have increased by five percent in December, compared to 2005, "driven by incremental sales for next-generation software and ongoing solid PS2 and DS game sales."

The analyst group went on to divulge Gamestop's top-five selling games for the holiday season: Guitar Hero 2, WWE Smackdown Vs RAW 2007, Gears of War, and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

Sebastian also predicted the performance of America's three biggest game publishers. The analyst group expects THQ to see an increase in sales of 20 percent from 2005, EA to endure a decline of 10 percent, and Activision to remain equal.

Source

Connerman has never called anyone a fanboy or initiated an attack against anyone here and has been a regular, noteworthy contributor to our gaming forum for quite some time.

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 This is a discussion thread for those who own it or plan to buy it. I believe that was the thread starters intention to begin with. So can we please get back to discussing the topic or am I being narrowminded.

You're spot on, dude. Let this thread continue as an Official PS3 as originally intended.

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 Analysts Predict A Solid Holiday for the PS3 Sony will likley see repectable sales in 2006. by Micah Seff January 5, 2007 - Gamesindustry.biz is reporting that Nintendo's newest console, the Wii, has surpassed previous sales estimates by analyst group Lazard Capital. The console has likely sold over 1.2 million units in the US in its first six weeks on store shelves. "Our checks indicate that Nintendo's Wii console continues to sell well, while Sony's PS3 supplies improved somewhat towards the end of the holiday period," said Colin Sebastian of Lazard Capital. Competitors Sony and Microsoft saw similarly successful holidays in 2006. Sony's new PlayStation 3 is assumed to have sold around 700,000 units, while Lazard Capital predicts that Microsoft's Xbox 360 will have just reached 4.5 million consoles in North America by December 30. The same firm also predicted that US software sales will have increased by five percent in December, compared to 2005, "driven by incremental sales for next-generation software and ongoing solid PS2 and DS game sales." The analyst group went on to divulge Gamestop's top-five selling games for the holiday season: Guitar Hero 2, WWE Smackdown Vs RAW 2007, Gears of War, and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. Sebastian also predicted the performance of America's three biggest game publishers. The analyst group expects THQ to see an increase in sales of 20 percent from 2005, EA to endure a decline of 10 percent, and Activision to remain equal. Source

This goes to show you...never count your chickens before they're hatched.

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025

Ok - And? Nothing in that article says anything about how well developers for Sony are faring - In fact, this article is actually pretty solid support for my position.

It states:

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 Sony's new PlayStation 3 is assumed to have sold around 700,000 units

Giving them undoubtedly the smallest market share in the U.S. - Not a pretty sight (particularly financially) for developers.

It's little things like this that are in fact losing Sony's exclusive developmental deals.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Oh and SOCOM kicks the shit outta Ghost Recon.

now, lets not get silly

so the real question here is


WHEN IS DA GETTING A PS3!

Ive got 300 on after his annual Trance Energy trip

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Originally posted by RJT Giving them undoubtedly the smallest market share in the U.S. - Not a pretty sight (particularly financially) for developers. It's little things like this that are in fact losing Sony's exclusive developmental deals.

If they continue to sell 700,000 units each month this year, that's a total of 8.4 million units in a year. 360 is approaching that with a little over a year behind it (worldwide). Wii already has an estimated 4 million sold worldwide, and that's only going on the second month.

Micro$oft is going to lose the top spot on market share by fall of '07. It may not be Sony in the drivers seat this time, but I think the 360 is going to be banished to the back seat during this console cycle.

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Originally posted by RJT Ok - And? Nothing in that article says anything about how well developers for Sony are faring - In fact, this article is actually pretty solid support for my position. It states: Giving them undoubtedly the smallest market share in the U.S. - Not a pretty sight (particularly financially) for developers. It's little things like this that are in fact losing Sony's exclusive developmental deals.

Were you expecting the PS3 to sell 10 million units in the span of 1.5 months?

Also, look at it this way. When was the last time you heard the Gamecube mentioned? How about the original Xbox? The answer is...never. They are both DEAD. With the small exception of Zelda on Gamecube (which should hardly count since the game is pretty much now meant to be considered a Wii title), there is absoluetely nothing worth mentioning on either of those 2 consoles. But the PS2? The oldest console of those 3? Its still alive and kicking. And kicking so hard its actually dominating the xbox 360. I think a big reason the 360 has been received so well is because all the same people who bought Xbox's bought 360's, since MS made it public that they were abondoning their first console ever back in 2005.

The people who normally buy into Sony products are STILL playing their PS2's. In other words, PS3's predecessor is kicking the PS3's ass! Wait a year or 2 when the PS2 has finally laid to rest and the PS3 is the center of attention when it comes to Sony consoles.

But, if you ARE talking about the situation from a financial perspective, you have a point. However, back in early 2001, 3rd party developers sent massive complaints to Sony saying that their PS2 games werent making them enough money. Namco comes to mind...I think they mentioned that Ridge Racer V was the slowest selling Ridge Racer of all time (at the time). But of course, look where the PS2 is now.

Its all about the transition, baby. Its not like the whole world is going to jump on the PS3 bandwagon all at once.

Since you seemed to bitch at me for some reason on how I dont backup information, if you really want me to get links for this shit, I will. but not now, considering I have some G13 waiting for me that needs to be smoked. a link to that last part about 3rd party devlopers complaining about PS2 might be tough to find, considering I read that in a early 2001 EGM issue.


Oh and also:

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Originally posted by RJT Actually, it happened in the first post. And it was a gimp PS3 fanboy like yourself who did it.

I didnt even realize this the first time. Would you mind telling me how my 1st post was fanboyish or disregarding of other people's opinions in ANY way, please? Seriously. Was it because I called the 360 Core useless? A point that is made by gaming message boards across the entire internet because it is essentially a marketing gimmick created by Microsoft to enable them the ability to make more money off accessories such as memory cards...

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN now, lets not get silly

This thread wouldnt have been complete without your ass.

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Originally posted by DarkAngel Connerman has never called anyone a fanboy or initiated an attack against anyone here and has been a regular, noteworthy contributor to our gaming forum for quite some time.

I knew you'd stick up for me. Thanks, bro.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Were you expecting the PS3 to sell 10 million units in the span of 1.5 months? Also, look at it this way. When was the last time you heard the Gamecube mentioned? How about the original Xbox? The answer is...never. They are both DEAD. With the small exception of Zelda on Gamecube (which should hardly count since the game is pretty much now meant to be considered a Wii title), there is absoluetely nothing worth mentioning on either of those 2 consoles. But the PS2? The oldest console of those 3? Its still alive and kicking. And kicking so hard its actually dominating the xbox 360. I think a big reason the 360 has been received so well is because all the same people who bought Xbox's bought 360's, since MS made it public that they were abondoning their first console ever back in 2005. The people who normally buy into Sony products are STILL playing their PS2's. In other words, PS3's predecessor is kicking the PS3's ass! Wait a year or 2 when the PS2 has finally laid to rest and the PS3 is the center of attention when it comes to Sony consoles. But, if you ARE talking about the situation from a financial perspective, you have a point. However, back in early 2001, 3rd party developers sent massive complaints to Sony saying that their PS2 games werent making them enough money. Namco comes to mind...I think they mentioned that Ridge Racer V was the slowest selling Ridge Racer of all time (at the time). But of course, look where the PS2 is now. Its all about the transition, baby. Its not like the whole world is going to jump on the PS3 bandwagon all at once. Since you seemed to bitch at me for some reason on how I dont backup information, if you really want me to get links for this shit, I will. but not now, considering I have some G13 waiting for me that needs to be smoked. a link to that last part about 3rd party devlopers complaining about PS2 might be tough to find, considering I read that in a early 2001 EGM issue.

Well said, and that the thing. No body is saying the PS3 is a bad system, its just a matter of transition. just like the 360. Its taken a year for people to move over the more powerful console. it takes time, people aren't just going to get up and buy a new system.

oh and if your wondering about the ps3 sales:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/753/753859p1.html

750k not bad. but again, it takes time.

coleco vision sucks shit

/rant

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 so the real question here is WHEN IS DA GETTING A PS3! Ive got 300 on after his annual Trance Energy trip

Oh dude, I don't even think I can make it this year. I hope to get a PS3 later in the year after some price drops.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 I knew you'd stick up for me. Thanks, bro.

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Originally posted by trunks1022 coleco vision sucks shit /rant

LMFAO!!!!

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 If they continue to sell 700,000 units each month this year, that's a total of 8.4 million units in a year. 360 is approaching that with a little over a year behind it (worldwide). Wii already has an estimated 4 million sold worldwide, and that's only going on the second month. Micro$oft is going to lose the top spot on market share by fall of '07. It may not be Sony in the drivers seat this time, but I think the 360 is going to be banished to the back seat during this console cycle.

What kind of fantasy world do you live in which an infinite market exists? And when did I claim MS would stay on top? Have you seen the thread on the PS3 "grey market"?

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Were you expecting the PS3 to sell 10 million units in the span of 1.5 months?

No.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Also, look at it this way. When was the last time you heard the Gamecube mentioned? How about the original Xbox? The answer is...never. They are both DEAD. With the small exception of Zelda on Gamecube (which should hardly count since the game is pretty much now meant to be considered a Wii title), there is absoluetely nothing worth mentioning on either of those 2 consoles. But the PS2? The oldest console of those 3? Its still alive and kicking. And kicking so hard its actually dominating the xbox 360. I think a big reason the 360 has been received so well is because all the same people who bought Xbox's bought 360's, since MS made it public that they were abondoning their first console ever back in 2005.

Define "dominating the 360."

And beyond God of War 2, please fill me in on just what constitutes "alive & kicking." If you really think Sony (and more importantly, any noteworthy developers) are going to support this machine through the next 6 months, IMO, you're crazy.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 The people who normally buy into Sony products are STILL playing their PS2's. In other words, PS3's predecessor is kicking the PS3's ass! Wait a year or 2 when the PS2 has finally laid to rest and the PS3 is the center of attention when it comes to Sony consoles.

Sorry champ, again this is a logical fallacy. The new generation is here - The old is gone. There isn't "another year or two" in the PS2's life cycle - No matter what the media tells you.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Its all about the transition, baby. Its not like the whole world is going to jump on the PS3 bandwagon all at once.

Or at all.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Since you seemed to bitch at me for some reason on how I dont backup information, if you really want me to get links for this shit, I will. but not now, considering I have some G13 waiting for me that needs to be smoked. a link to that last part about 3rd party devlopers complaining about PS2 might be tough to find, considering I read that in a early 2001 EGM issue.

I look forward to reading them. Hopefully "dominating the 360" will be defined somewhere in your documentation.

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 If they continue to sell 700,000 units each month this year, that's a total of 8.4 million units in a year. 360 is approaching that with a little over a year behind it (worldwide). Wii already has an estimated 4 million sold worldwide, and that's only going on the second month. Micro$oft is going to lose the top spot on market share by fall of '07. It may not be Sony in the drivers seat this time, but I think the 360 is going to be banished to the back seat during this console cycle.

I don't get it, your post on one hand makes a very logical analogy that the 360 and wii are both on their way to becoming sucessful systems, then you claim the 360 is going to banished completely as a high selling system

That cannot be. the 360 has sold very well. extremely well considering its a microsoft system, and deservingly so, its a great system. the wii is a also a very interesting system and all the kudos to it doing well, nintendo really needed this. and, while the ps3 is a hot item, i highly doubt thats its just going to walk and trounce over everyone and make a killing in the sales department just so quickly. time will tell exactly what is the fate of each of these systems. just check out the recent sales history, they're proof.

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Originally posted by RJT Define "dominating the 360."

Maybe 'dominating' is overexaggerating, however I did read that the PS2 was outselling the 360 throughout much of 2006.

I'm not gonna dig up 2 month old sales numbers, because that would misrepresent any argument I would be trying to make. I'm still trying to find current NPD sales pertaining to the holidays. Proving that the PS2 dominated hardware sales in October doesnt mean jackshit now, considering Gears of War was released in that time.

As I surf some of the major gaming websites, many of them are declaring the 360 the winner of this past holiday season. The problem is, those same sites are really only declaring the 360 a winner over the Wii and PS3. I havent found any actual real numbers yet, nor have I found any regarding PS2 sales.

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Originally posted by RJT And beyond God of War 2, please fill me in on just what constitutes "alive & kicking." If you really think Sony (and more importantly, any noteworthy developers) are going to support this machine through the next 6 months, IMO, you're crazy.

Well, I wasnt talking from a developer standpoint, but a sales standpoint. Reading IGN's very own "2006 In Review" article, the section about PS2 clearly states:

2006 marked the sixth year of the PS2 out on the market, and while a large amount of its thunder was stolen with the impending launch of its successor, the PS3, it still held its own. More than 110 million PS2s had been sold by the end of the year, with no signs of sales significantly dropping off . In fact, some regions found an increase in the number of purchased consoles: at one point, European and PAL territories were selling more than one hundred thousand systems a week.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/749/749553p1.html

If you speak from a developer's standpoint, you are definetely right. Although it would be stupid for a company to now completely ignore the PS2 even though its continuing to sell like crazy, its likely that the big names companies are going to concentrate a lot more on the next-gen consoles.

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Originally posted by RJT Sorry champ, again this is a logical fallacy. The new generation is here - The old is gone. There isn't "another year or two" in the PS2's life cycle - No matter what the media tells you.

Here's something Ive never understood. What REALLY decides when we truly enter the next generation; when the companies release new consoles or when the old consoles stop selling? I always thought it was the latter.

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Originally posted by RJT Or at all.

I doubt the PS3 will be as successful as the PS2, but I honestly think its downright impossible for the PS3 to be a complete failure considering how much Sony is banking on it and considering the overwhelming 3rd party support and movie studio support towards blu-ray.

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Originally posted by RJT I look forward to reading them. Hopefully "dominating the 360" will be defined somewhere in your documentation.

Lemme get back to you. Were talking in the now, so I want numbers from the now. I'm still not finding them. If anyone else cares to contribute on a hardware sales figure for all the consoles as of Dec. 2006, it would be great.

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Originally posted by TheDemon I don't get it, your post on one hand makes a very logical analogy that the 360 and wii are both on their way to becoming sucessful systems, then you claim the 360 is going to banished completely as a high selling system

I think that maybe he meant to say that the demand for the 360 will wean off, rather rapidly as time goes on.

I'm inclined to agree. IMO, the ps3 was off to a rough start and deservedly so. What the hell is out on that system that actually warrants owning one now? Not much. However there will be more. Sony has had a strong history of exclusivity with certain big name products, and I don't see that changing, no matter how much $$$ Microsoft throws out.

One point I'd like to know what you guys think about is the abysmal performance of the 360 in Japan. Historically, game systems that do well there tend to get the most 3rd party support. I was just wondering if any of you see this as being an inevitable downfall of the 360?

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Originally posted by zokissima I think that maybe he meant to say that the demand for the 360 will wean off, rather rapidly as time goes on. I'm inclined to agree. IMO, the ps3 was off to a rough start and deservedly so. What the hell is out on that system that actually warrants owning one now? Not much. However there will be more. Sony has had a strong history of exclusivity with certain big name products, and I don't see that changing, no matter how much $$$ Microsoft throws out. One point I'd like to know what you guys think about is the abysmal performance of the 360 in Japan. Historically, game systems that do well there tend to get the most 3rd party support. I was just wondering if any of you see this as being an inevitable downfall of the 360?

1. See the list of Sony "exclusive titles" at this point

2. To be fair, the PS3 had a worse launch in Japan than the 360 did (if you compare the 360's sale numbers Holiday 05 w/ PS3's from 06; Article at IGN )**



**Though, PS3 is doing better in Japan currently than the 360.

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Originally posted by kid nyce you so fucking sexy you a sexy fuck stop typing you homo's and go back to playing video games love, kidnyce lol

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Originally posted by zokissima I think that maybe he meant to say that the demand for the 360 will wean off, rather rapidly as time goes on. I'm inclined to agree. IMO, the ps3 was off to a rough start and deservedly so. What the hell is out on that system that actually warrants owning one now? Not much. However there will be more. Sony has had a strong history of exclusivity with certain big name products, and I don't see that changing, no matter how much $$$ Microsoft throws out. One point I'd like to know what you guys think about is the abysmal performance of the 360 in Japan. Historically, game systems that do well there tend to get the most 3rd party support. I was just wondering if any of you see this as being an inevitable downfall of the 360?

it could be a downfall for the 360 but only in the Japanese markets. the 360 has a very loyal fan base in north America and Europe. its only the licensing of, or lack of licensed games, that hurt the 360 in japan. now its very unlikely that because the 360 doing poor in japan that it will lose its fan base or affect its market share. in my opinion, the 360 has proven to be a better system than the original xbox.

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Originally posted by TheDemon it could be a downfall for the 360 but only in the Japanese markets. the 360 has a very loyal fan base in north America and Europe. its only the licensing of, or lack of licensed games, that hurt the 360 in japan. now its very unlikely that because the 360 doing poor in japan that it will lose its fan base or affect its market share. in my opinion, the 360 has proven to be a better system than the original xbox.

agreed and why is no one bringin up the Xbox Live Marketplace. I think that's one of the major reasons why 360 is building up a loyal fan base, and it'll only improve, pushing Microsoft to the top in a couple years.

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Originally posted by TheDemon I don't get it, your post on one hand makes a very logical analogy that the 360 and wii are both on their way to becoming sucessful systems, then you claim the 360 is going to banished completely as a high selling system.

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Originally posted by zokissima I think that maybe he meant to say that the demand for the 360 will wean off, rather rapidly as time goes on. I'm inclined to agree. IMO, the ps3 was off to a rough start and deservedly so. What the hell is out on that system that actually warrants owning one now? Not much. However there will be more. Sony has had a strong history of exclusivity with certain big name products, and I don't see that changing, no matter how much $$$ Microsoft throws out. One point I'd like to know what you guys think about is the abysmal performance of the 360 in Japan. Historically, game systems that do well there tend to get the most 3rd party support. I was just wondering if any of you see this as being an inevitable downfall of the 360?

That's pretty much the answer I would have given right there. 360 is going to bomb in Japan exactly like the original Xbox did. Sales in the US and Europe are going to level off sooner or later, then pehaps a spike for a few months when Halo 3 hits. When people finally see what the PS3 has to offer by the end of this year, the PS3 sales are going to start to tail 360 sales quite closely I think.

can we stop making this a ps3 vs xbox thread

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 can we stop making this a ps3 vs xbox thread

Agreed

I won't have much money to spend on consoles and I don't play games very much anymore, so I'm gonna just buy one console and it'll be PS3. Only because Final Fantasy will be there. I already lost the FFVII I bought some time ago, just to get to play it again. Now I need to buy it again because of losing it somewhere

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Lemme get back to you. Were talking in the now, so I want numbers from the now. I'm still not finding them. If anyone else cares to contribute on a hardware sales figure for all the consoles as of Dec. 2006, it would be great.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/ne...php?story=12375

The latest NPD video game hardware and software sales for the U.S. have debuted, with overall sales up 28% to $3.7 billion, but game sales up just 5% to $1.7 billion in December 2006 - and hardware sales up a gigantic 59% to $1.6 billion.

According to the official hardware statistics released this afternoon, the PlayStation 2 continued to be a popular platform at retail, selling 1.4 million units for the month (37.1 million to date in the U.S.). The Xbox 360 also impressed, selling 1.1 million in December (with 4.5 million lifetime to date), while the Wii sold 604,200 units for the month, putting its total North American number sold at 1.1 million units.

Elsewhere, the severely supply-constricted PlayStation 3 was found to have sold through 490,700 units for the period, with 687,300 units sold since its launch in November - no doubt somewhat of a disappointment for console creator Sony.

As was the case in November, it was the handheld market that truly stood out in December, with the Nintendo DS topping all platforms in sales with 1.6 million units sold (9.2 million lifetime), ahead of the still impressive 953,200 PSP units sold during the month (6.7 million lifetime). Nintendo's aging Game Boy Advance handheld continued to put in a good showing for the holiday rush, resulting in 850,700 units sold for the period (35.1 million lifetime).

As for software, the top selling title for the month was the Microsoft published, Epic Games-developed Gears of War for the Xbox 360, which sold 817,700 units in December. Activision's popular rhythm game sequel Guitar Hero 2 and the PlayStation 2 version of EA's Madden NFL 07 each put up respectable numbers as well as the second and third top selling titles for the month, selling 805,200 units and 727,100 units respectively.

Interestingly, while available for both platforms, Nintendo's Legend Of Zelda: Twilight Princess sold slightly more for the GameCube with 532,900 units sold, compared to the 519,200 units of the Wii version sold in December. Other top sellers for the month included New Super Mario Bros. for the Nintendo DS, Call of Duty 3 for the Xbox 360, and WWE Smackdown VS. RAW 2007 for the PlayStation 2.

Looking to the entirety of 2006, it was EA's Madden NFL 07 that proved to be the overall winner with 2.8 million units sold, while New Super Mario Bros. ranked second with 2 million units. The newly popular Gears of Wars was the third most sold title for the year with 1.8 million units sold, an impressive feat considering the game's November release date.

Other data released by NPD this afternoon includes specific accessory numbers sold in December, the most popular of while was Microsoft's official Xbox 360 wireless controller, which sold 832,800 units during the month. The Wii remote ranked second with 646,700 units sold, ahead of its companion nunchuck, which sold 497,100 units in December. The PlayStation 3's Sixaxis controller came in slightly behind its competitors with just 336,000 units sold for the month.






So, the PS2 beats the 360. Like I said, maybe everyone wasnt ready for the PS3 just quite yet.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000

good post, good research.

RJT got owned, hard.

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