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Originally posted by Lilith The 'psychological' aspects of vegetarianism always bemused me because its not something you see anywhere else but westernised countries where people have that oppulent, moral luxury of choice not to eat meat as part of their diet or other pathetic crying for some kind of social attention and help like anorexia and veganism.

If you see vegetarianism only in "opulent" countries, then perhaps you should look around a bit.

Ever hear of a religion called Hinduism? Buddhism?

And I like how you chastise people for a "holier than thou" attitude right after you ignorantly try to belittle vegetarians (They're all so bourgeois and adolescent!) and berate them for not caring about "worthwhile" causes. Nice.

[And I'm not a vegetarian, if anyone is wondering.]

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Ever hear of a religion called Hinduism? Buddhism?

Being part Indian it's not exactly foreign to me no, Hindu's arent required by religious doctrine to adhere to vegetarian diets and things like milk, seafood and eggs are quite ok even amongst the more observent who dont eat meat on holy days.
If youre also more than passingly familiar with the 8 Sila of Buddism you'd also know that they arent like the 10 commandments of "Thou shall nots" and more of a guideline to living a good life, happiness and while they encourage vegetarianism things like the Vinya only apply to monks.

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Originally posted by Lilith I'm at a loss to think of any real medical reasons not to eat meat from at least a physical level, it's like everything in a diet though. You overindulge in too much of one thing and it'll have consequences, all about balance and daily requirements. The 'psychological' aspects of vegetarianism always bemused me because its not something you see anywhere else but westernised countries where people have that oppulent, moral luxury of choice not to eat meat as part of their diet or other pathetic crying for some kind of social attention and help like anorexia and veganism. I mean really I love animals too but theres so many people in the world who dont have enough to eat, seriously put the selfish, holier than thou attitude up your arse and put the effort into something useful like picking up litter, helping poor folks or even just finding some social cause worth backing. Comes down to it I'd rather see an animal suffer breifly so someone could eat properly for a day than see a person and their family waste away from starvation.

"When digestion slows a few things happen.

Our bowels become impacted with toxic fecal matter. We eventually get diverticulitis, which according to the Merck Manual, we will all have one day. (Keep in mind that the person described in this manual is the "average person." One way to stay healthy is to refuse to be average.)
Toxins are reabsorbed if they stay in the bowel too long.
The yeast that resides in our bowel (to soften our stool) can begin to flourish in a stagnant colon.
All this adds up to a cycle of acidity. We become more acid, which leads to more yeast/fungal growth, which leads to more acidity from the toxins they release. Degenerative disease is not only possible, it�s inevitable. " - Minnesota Wellness

Q: On The Oprah Show, you said that meat rots in the body. What about poultry, fish and shellfish, chicken eggs, and dairy in all forms? I may become a vegetarian.

A: Think of every food source as a different vehicle on the highway. Everything travels at different speeds (Get out of the left lane, you good-for-nothing jelly doughnut! Oatmeal is coming through!). Transit time for protein varies (and fat is like a lot of stop signs�they make things go slower). Meat is the slowest to make its way through your body�taking four to seven days to make it to your body's off-ramp and into your bathroom's rest stop. Other less-dense proteins like fish or eggs don't appear to stick around as long. By the way, meat also has lots of calories, so a great way to lose weight is to use less calorie-rich protein sources.


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if i remember correctly, beef takes on average 2-3 weeks to fully decompose or 'rot', chicken on average 1 week and fish a couple days. rather than my digestive system work almost a month to rid itself of that $32 Ruth Chris filet, I'd rather have it scrape off the crusted 5 lbs. of fecal matter suctioning itself to my bowels. Well, maybe it depends on how the filet is prepared.

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Originally posted by Lilith Being part Indian it's not exactly foreign to me no, Hindu's arent required by religious doctrine to adhere to vegetarian diets and things like milk, seafood and eggs are quite ok even amongst the more observent who dont eat meat on holy days. If youre also more than passingly familiar with the 8 Sila of Buddism you'd also know that they arent like the 10 commandments of "Thou shall nots" and more of a guideline to living a good life, happiness and while they encourage vegetarianism things like the Vinya only apply to monks.

Good, then; so you recognize that to think of all vegetarianism as motivated by adolescent "cries for help" and "ethics as fashion statement" is fucking ignorant.

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Originally posted by Deeedeee "When digestion slows a few things happen. Our bowels become impacted with toxic fecal matter. We eventually get diverticulitis, which according to the Merck Manual, we will all have one day. (Keep in mind that the person described in this manual is the "average person." One way to stay healthy is to refuse to be average.) Toxins are reabsorbed if they stay in the bowel too long. The yeast that resides in our bowel (to soften our stool) can begin to flourish in a stagnant colon. All this adds up to a cycle of acidity. We become more acid, which leads to more yeast/fungal growth, which leads to more acidity from the toxins they release. Degenerative disease is not only possible, it�s inevitable. " - Minnesota Wellness

Yeah, I find most "medical" arguments for vegetarianism pretty lacking.

No need to swear at me I wasnt being crude to you. It's just beyond me how perfectly healthy people eschew an entire food subgroup under a deluded idea that its going to make them an interesting pain in the ass at the dinner table having the host cook them something special, or think its going to stop an animal from suffering when theres a great deal wrong with the world they'd be better putting their attention to.

If you had to go out and kill your own animal, and there were no slaughterhouses, no factory farms, most people would probably have a different view about eating habbits. If I was hungry enough to kill something and clean it, I would. People just 'want' to eat meat so they goto the store, buy their meat, come home and cook it, and done. Outta site otta mind.

Too bad more then half of americas water is used towards animal agriculture. Animal excrement emits gases, such as hydrogen sulfide and ammonia, that poison the air around farms, as well as methane and nitrous oxide, which are major contributors to global warming. Forests are being bulldozed to make more room for factory farms and feed crops to feed farmed animals, and this destruction causes soil erosion and contributes to species extinction and habitat loss. Raising animals for food also requires massive amounts of food and raw materials: Farmed animals consume 70 percent of the corn, wheat, and other grains that we grow, and one-third of all the raw materials and fossil fuels used in the U.S. go to raising animals for food. So basically, our country's meat addiction is slowly fucking the earth.

Not to mention heart disease, cancer, obesity (you big fatties), and stroke, are directly linked to meat-based diets. Heart disease is the number one cause of death in America, and it is caused by all the cholesterol and saturated fat from animal products built up in our arteries.

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Originally posted by Arbiter

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Good, then; so you recognize that to think of all vegetarianism as motivated by adolescent "cries for help" and "ethics as fashion statement" is fucking ignorant.

From what I have observed in much of western civilization, that is more or less true.

Of course not ALL vegetarians are like that - I think it's foolish to assume that she implied ALL of them were.

Many of the vegetarians and vegans I have known adopt the lifestyle because it's just so chic. I've also met a few people that are vegetarians/vegans whom you wouldn't even know that about them after getting to know them quite well. It just stands out to me that many people adopt the 'holier than thou' attitude when they adopt the lifestyle merely for fashionably individualistic reasons - it also stands out to me that those people are really super eager to let everyone KNOW that they are herbivores. Because, ya know, that's like, so damn cool and everyone wants to hear about how evil it is to eat Disney characters.

I know a lot of vegetarians who lie

I am a pothound, I eat mostly anything. Sea food, vegi's, chicken, pork, beef, basically if it tastes good im eating it for lunch or dinner as I only eat those two meals anyway.

Oh I love hunting and fishing so yeah... killing animals is not a issue for me.

soy isn't bad either... I dated a vegan once. It didn't work out when I cooked.. all she could eat was my garlic mushrooms, otherwise everything I made had a meat product or something that wasn't cool for her... her loss.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations I know a lot of vegetarians who lie

hahaha, me too! Oh man, I must be really fucked up deep down, but it is soooo satisfying seeing a vegetarian fall and succumb to the temptations of meaty goodness.

It's kind of like seeing a priest beat the shit out of a cop.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On hahaha, me too! Oh man, I must be really fucked up deep down, but it is soooo satisfying seeing a vegetarian fall and succumb to the temptations of meaty goodness. It's kind of like seeing a priest beat the shit out of a cop.

or like a priest forcing a little boy to have sex with him! yeah!

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Originally posted by Allied Nations or like a priest forcing a little boy to have sex with him! yeah!

Hell y- wait, what?

NONCE!

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