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Posted by progress on Jan-19-2007 06:45:

quote:
Originally posted by djjonas
We love trance here. Dave played a sick set not too long ago of all new tracks. It was
Sandstorm
The Launch
Zombie Nation
Silence....

And just went with it from there. We're really up on new tracks here.
The funny part about that comment, that actually reminds me of ATB's track list the last time he was here......

Posted by Luminary on Jan-19-2007 06:59:

it makes me wonder if some people play what they play because they get complaints in less "trance friendly" locations from people who havent heard any of the newest stuff...

or maybe its just because they miss some of the old tunes?

Posted by Zild on Jan-19-2007 07:09:

No it is because trance sucks it gets massively owned by its upstanding brother techno. And by its little sister house.

Posted by Luminary on Jan-19-2007 07:21:

pish!

trance rocks my socks! I cant help it though... i just like the pretty stuff besides, its less likely to make my ears bleed after 2 minutes (thank god for heavy duty earplugs!)

i always wonder if most of the crowd is wearing hearing protection as well... or if its just me... i seriously cant handle more than 1 or 2 min without popping in the 33db's

is it just me?

Posted by Zild on Jan-19-2007 07:23:

I myself own a pair of etymotic earplugs.

Posted by Luminary on Jan-19-2007 07:33:

yeah, its interesting... because i know a lot of people who enjoy clubbing, and they always talk about their ears ringing and not being able to hear after the show etc... and that terrifies me completely!

I think ever since I did a bit of damage a few years ago (i still have pretty amazing hearing, but there is slight ringing sometimes) i feel really strongly about artists/dj's etc promoting hearing protection to all clubgoers and music lovers in general...

I cant imagine what a few years of clubbing could do to someones hearing in the long run

Posted by progress on Jan-19-2007 07:53:

Funny you brought this up. A DJ who will remain nameless came last month and performed at my club. Well, in a 5000 sq ft. low ceiling club, we had 14,000 Amps of power running on an EAW sound system. It tested out at 133 db's!!! Well, this DJ was so deaf, not only did he have a 3rd self powered monitor brought in, he ran the system booth monitors at full blast all night and blew the amp!!!! Talk about hearing problems!!!!

Posted by Zild on Jan-19-2007 08:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Luminary
yeah, its interesting... because i know a lot of people who enjoy clubbing, and they always talk about their ears ringing and not being able to hear after the show etc... and that terrifies me completely!

I think ever since I did a bit of damage a few years ago (i still have pretty amazing hearing, but there is slight ringing sometimes) i feel really strongly about artists/dj's etc promoting hearing protection to all clubgoers and music lovers in general...

I cant imagine what a few years of clubbing could do to someones hearing in the long run

That sucks. I don't have any ringing in my ears and I don't want any, but yeah it is best to protect your hearing.

and Progress, that DJ is well known for being a deaf bastard.

Posted by iclone on Jan-19-2007 09:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Progress Ent.
Well, this DJ was so deaf, not only did he have a 3rd self powered monitor brought in, he ran the system booth monitors at full blast all night and blew the amp!!!! Talk about hearing problems!!!!

that's insane! the worst [and best! ] experience i've had was picotto & tenaglia @ crobar NYC -- constant ringing for a solid two days after the party. i cannot imagine being exposed to that on a regular basis and hope the staff [at least] are wise enough to wear ear protection.

Posted by progress on Jan-19-2007 14:54:

We designed the sound system to have a dead spot at all the bars so the staff was protected. It was significantly lower, so low you could have a normal conversation and hear easily what a customer wanted without having to yell.

Posted by jonas on Jan-19-2007 15:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
That sucks. I don't have any ringing in my ears and I don't want any, but yeah it is best to protect your hearing.

and Progress, that DJ is well known for being a deaf bastard.

Yes, he is. But that night was the worst. I was in the booth for about 15 seconds and had to leave because it was so freaking loud. I had that sharp pain you get in your ear when something is just way to loud. I couldn't believe he couldn't hear the monitors.

Matt said he also complained about there being a delay in the monitors. How could he tell???? He couldn't hear it anyway!

quote:
Originally posted by Luminary
pish!

trance rocks my socks! I cant help it though... i just like the pretty stuff besides, its less likely to make my ears bleed after 2 minutes (thank god for heavy duty earplugs!)

+1

Posted by Luminary on Jan-19-2007 17:15:

I think in-club acoustics play a terribly important role as well but most club owners dont think about it as much and everyone just goes for the "louder = better" approach.

I think after my first experience with hearing damage (too many hours spent one day working on a track with headphones... how crazy is that?) I baby my ears like nothing else... Its crazy because, I know my hearing is probably much better than most peoples but i still hate to lose it!

haha okok... i mean... i can hear the high pitched whine when people turn on a TV in other parts of a house even when the sound is off, or just little sounds that nobody else hears - I've got a great story about my mom buying this little "silent" spider repeller for the attic, she switched it on while i was in the living room... and all i could hear was this HORRIBLE noise screeching out from the other room! So of course i started shouting to her to turn it off... everyone in my family looked dumbfounded when i kept asking them "cant you hear that!?"

hehe come on, someone here has to have the same problem that i do... right? I think thats what makes me extra nervous in the clubs... i realize i can hear lots more with music and dont want to lose that ability

I keep toying with the idea of getting the super nice attenuators but ive heard loads of stories about them being fairly uncomfortable, so i havent bothered. Now for dj's... you do really need the full frequency response that they offer instead of just dulling the sound.

Posted by progress on Jan-19-2007 20:07:

I hear the same on occasion, it's really annoying. Sitting in the dead quiet and hear an annoying ringing. Or like you said turn on the TV and hearing high pitched ringing. I sometimes get a flutter sound in my right ear. It's called Tinnitus and can be caused by a number of factors, but is mainly caused by earwax build up or can be caused by damage to the tiny hairs that line your ear.

http://www.soundadvice-earplugs.com/

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Those are sold by a guy here in Dallas, Jason Vasilas, he's a very good DJ himself (he's who opened for Sander Klienenberg and blew him out of the booth), but has Tinnitus. Everyone I know who has these swears by them. They filter the sound down up to 25 db's, yet you can still hear a full range of frequency.

Problem with club sound systems is no one really takes the time to design them right. They just take two stacks of massive speakers, add some subs, and then max out the power and think they have a good system. There is a phrase I was taught when desigining the system for The Tunnel, it's "More is better". But it's not more in the way you think. It's more speakers, less power needed. I.E. place more speakers throughout the club and you won't need to blast the system to get the same sound as an overpowered, poorly designed system.

There is a flip side to that though.....DJ's. Most DJ's work faders like a hooker in Las Vegas, and even if your system is designed right, at some point they are going to be maxing everything out.

Posted by jonas on Jan-19-2007 20:19:

Just read that page and may have to try those.

Posted by progress on Jan-19-2007 20:24:

Fabian swears by them.

Posted by Lizandrooo on Jan-24-2007 02:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Luminary
I think in-club acoustics play a terribly important role as well but most club owners dont think about it as much and everyone just goes for the "louder = better" approach.

I think after my first experience with hearing damage (too many hours spent one day working on a track with headphones... how crazy is that?) I baby my ears like nothing else... Its crazy because, I know my hearing is probably much better than most peoples but i still hate to lose it!

haha okok... i mean... i can hear the high pitched whine when people turn on a TV in other parts of a house even when the sound is off, or just little sounds that nobody else hears - I've got a great story about my mom buying this little "silent" spider repeller for the attic, she switched it on while i was in the living room... and all i could hear was this HORRIBLE noise screeching out from the other room! So of course i started shouting to her to turn it off... everyone in my family looked dumbfounded when i kept asking them "cant you hear that!?"

hehe come on, someone here has to have the same problem that i do... right? I think thats what makes me extra nervous in the clubs... i realize i can hear lots more with music and dont want to lose that ability

I keep toying with the idea of getting the super nice attenuators but ive heard loads of stories about them being fairly uncomfortable, so i havent bothered. Now for dj's... you do really need the full frequency response that they offer instead of just dulling the sound.

yea i can hear the tv in other rooms too. but i notticed taht the big screen projection ones dont have that pitch...

my fucken fone charger has a pitch too. it freaks me out because sometimes im thinking.... maybe its emmitting cancerous frequencies to my ears !!! and i panic so i charge my fone in the kitchen... dont laugh at me... i was once like you...

Posted by jonas on Jan-24-2007 03:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Lizard_boy
dont laugh at me... i was once like you...

Ok I won't. I will laugh at you because you now aren't like me.

Posted by we_R_DNA on Jan-24-2007 20:51:

quote:

Problem with club sound systems is no one really takes the time to design them right. They just take two stacks of massive speakers, add some subs, and then max out the power and think they have a good system. There is a phrase I was taught when desigining the system for The Tunnel, it's "More is better". But it's not more in the way you think. It's more speakers, less power needed. I.E. place more speakers throughout the club and you won't need to blast the system to get the same sound as an overpowered, poorly designed system.

Ok you are onto something here. . . To further expand on this idea of having a sound system with more speakers check into Ambisonics. This technology does just what you said about having multiple speakers arrays with seemingly endless 360 degree sound. I'd like to see clubs designed this way with the sound system, but at last the technology is not well known.

At the same time producers out there who use ambisonics will have the ability to use super stereo if and only if the club has a ambisonic surround sound system :P . . . at any rate I have an ideal plan on how to build a studio incorporating this technology.

P.S. Ambisonics can be conceptually difficult for people to grasp (as opposed to conventional "one channel=one speaker" surround, which is easier).

Edit

To give you a better idea of what I am talking about Click here

Posted by shaw on Jan-24-2007 22:55:

quote:
Originally posted by djjonas
What the f**k are you reading or looking at? Worst Trance Anthems of the 90's?

Jock Jams?

Posted by jonas on Jan-24-2007 23:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Inconspicuous
Jock Jams?

Is that the one with Brooklyn Bounce on it??? All time best trance EVER!!!!

Posted by shaw on Jan-24-2007 23:50:

quote:
Originally posted by djjonas
Is that the one with Brooklyn Bounce on it??? All time best trance EVER!!!!

Volume 1:

1. Let's Get Ready To Rumble! - Michael Buffer
2. Get Ready 4 This - 2 Unlimited
3. Whoomp! There It Is - Tag Team
4. Strike It Up - Black Box
5. Tootsee Roll - 69 Boys
6. Pump It Up, Go 'Head, Go 'Head - Various Artists
7. Come Baby Come - K7
8. It Takes Two - Rob Base
9. Gridiron Groove - Various Artists
10. Gonna Make You Sweat - C & C Music Factory
11. Hip Hop Hooray - Naughty By Nature
12. Pump Up The Volume - M/A/R/R/S
13. The Power - Snap
14. Uh, Ungawaa! - Various Artists
15. Unbelievable - EMF
16. YMCA - Village People
17. Pump Up The Jam - Technotronic
18. Twilight Zone - 2 Unlimited
19. The Old Ballgame - Ray Castoldi
20. Rock And Roll Part 2 - Gary Glitter

Volume 2:

1. Welcome To The Big Show - Dan Patrick And Chris Bermann
2. No Limit - 2 Unlimited
3. Everybody Everybody - Black Box
4. 1,2,3,4 (Sumpin' New) - Coolio
5. We Got A Love Thang - Ce Ce Peniston
6. This Is Your Night - Amber
7. Hey, Hey You - Various Artists
8. This Is How We Do It - Montell Jordan
9. Set It Off - Strafe
10. Macarena - Los Del Mar
11. I Like To Move It - Reel To Reel
12. Groovin' In The Bleachers - Various Artists
13. Party - Dis N' Dat
14. Get Down Tonight - K.C. And The Sunshine Band
15. Give It Up - The Goodmen
16. Action, Boys, Action - Various Artists
17. The Bomb - The Bucketheads
18. Boom Boom Boom - The Outhere Brothers
19. What's Up - D.J. Miko
20. Happy And You Know It - Ray Castoldi
21. Macho Man - The Village People

Volume 3:

1. It's Awesome Baby - Dick Vitale
2. Tribal Dance - 2 Unlimited
3. Ready To Go - Republica
4. I Like It Like That - Tito Nieves
5. C'mon & Ride It (The Train) - Quad City DJ's
6. Let's Go - :13
7. Da' Dip - Freak Nasty
8. Jump - The Movement
9. R.O.W.D.I.E. - The Jock Jams Cheerleaders
10. Jellyhead - Crush
11. No Diggity - Blackstreet
12. The Chant - :19
13. Let Me Clear My Throat - DJ Kool
14. That's The Way I Like It - KC And The Sunshine Band
15. Supersonic - Sabrina Sang
16. Fired Up - Funky Green Dogs
17. Robi Rob's Boriqua Anthem - C & C Music Factory
18. Don't Stop Moving - Livin' Joy
19. Don't Stop, Get It, Get It! - The Jock Jams Cheerleaders
20. Cotton Eye Joe - Rednex
21. The Jock Jam - (Mega Mix)
22. The Chicken Dance - Ray Castoldi

Volume 4:

1. Yeah Baby! - Austin Powers
2. Unlimited Megajam - 2 Unlimited
3. Mo Money, Mo Problems - Notorious B.I.G.
4. Can You Feel It - 3rd Party
5. Space Jam - Quad City DJ's
6. Watch Out We're Here - Jock Jam Cheerleaders
7. Raise The Roof - Luke
8. Gettin' Jiggy Wit It - Will Smith
9. Everybody (Backstreet's Back) - Backstreet Boys
10. No One Pushes Us Around - J.K. Simmons
11. Going Out Of My Head - Fatboy Slim
12. Hear The Organ Get Wicked - Ray Castoldi
13. Mueve La Cadera (Move Your Body) - Reel 2 Real
14. Push It - Salt 'n' Pepa
15. Seventh Inning Stretch - Bob Sheppard/P.A. Announcer For The N.Y. Yankees
16. Jump Around - House Of Pain
17. One More Night - Amber
18. Beautiful Day - Hypertrophy
19. Be Aggressive - Jock Jam Cheerleaders
*20. Get Ready To Bounce - Brooklyn Bounce*
21. Tubthumping - Chumbawamb
22. Good Night - Bob Sheppard
23. Son Of Jock Jam (Mega Mix) - Jock Jam All Stars

Volume 5:

1. Can You Feel It! - Van Earl Wright
2. Reach Up - Perfecto All-Stars
3. We Like To Party - Vengaboys
4. Ray Of Light - Madonna
5. Miami - Will Smith
6. Turn It Up (Remix)/Fire It Up - Busta Rhymes
7. We Came To Play! - The Jock Jams Cheerleaders
8. I'm Gonna Get You - Bizzare Inc.
9. Nice And Slow (Remix) - Usher
10. Woof Woof - 69 Boyz
11. Mexican Hat Dance - Ray Castoldi
12. Nobody's Supposed To Be Here (Remix) - Deborah Cox
13. Feel It/Deep To Right Field! - Tamperer
14. Too Close (Remix) - Next
15. Suavemente (Remix) - Elvis Crespo
16. You Ugly - The Jock Jams Cheerleaders
17. Burnin' Up - Cevin Fisher
18. All I Have To Give (Remix) - Backstreet Boys
19. Got To Be Real - Cheryl Lynn
20. Hit The Showers - Van Earl Wright

Posted by jonas on Jan-24-2007 23:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Inconspicuous
Volume 1:

1. Let's Get Ready To Rumble! - Michael Buffer
2. Get Ready 4 This - 2 Unlimited
3. Whoomp! There It Is - Tag Team
4. Strike It Up - Black Box
5. Tootsee Roll - 69 Boys
6. Pump It Up, Go 'Head, Go 'Head - Various Artists
7. Come Baby Come - K7
8. It Takes Two - Rob Base
9. Gridiron Groove - Various Artists
10. Gonna Make You Sweat - C & C Music Factory
11. Hip Hop Hooray - Naughty By Nature
12. Pump Up The Volume - M/A/R/R/S
13. The Power - Snap
14. Uh, Ungawaa! - Various Artists
15. Unbelievable - EMF
16. YMCA - Village People
17. Pump Up The Jam - Technotronic
18. Twilight Zone - 2 Unlimited
19. The Old Ballgame - Ray Castoldi
20. Rock And Roll Part 2 - Gary Glitter

Volume 2:

1. Welcome To The Big Show - Dan Patrick And Chris Bermann
2. No Limit - 2 Unlimited
3. Everybody Everybody - Black Box
4. 1,2,3,4 (Sumpin' New) - Coolio
5. We Got A Love Thang - Ce Ce Peniston
6. This Is Your Night - Amber
7. Hey, Hey You - Various Artists
8. This Is How We Do It - Montell Jordan
9. Set It Off - Strafe
10. Macarena - Los Del Mar
11. I Like To Move It - Reel To Reel
12. Groovin' In The Bleachers - Various Artists
13. Party - Dis N' Dat
14. Get Down Tonight - K.C. And The Sunshine Band
15. Give It Up - The Goodmen
16. Action, Boys, Action - Various Artists
17. The Bomb - The Bucketheads
18. Boom Boom Boom - The Outhere Brothers
19. What's Up - D.J. Miko
20. Happy And You Know It - Ray Castoldi
21. Macho Man - The Village People

Volume 3:

1. It's Awesome Baby - Dick Vitale
2. Tribal Dance - 2 Unlimited
3. Ready To Go - Republica
4. I Like It Like That - Tito Nieves
5. C'mon & Ride It (The Train) - Quad City DJ's
6. Let's Go - :13
7. Da' Dip - Freak Nasty
8. Jump - The Movement
9. R.O.W.D.I.E. - The Jock Jams Cheerleaders
10. Jellyhead - Crush
11. No Diggity - Blackstreet
12. The Chant - :19
13. Let Me Clear My Throat - DJ Kool
14. That's The Way I Like It - KC And The Sunshine Band
15. Supersonic - Sabrina Sang
16. Fired Up - Funky Green Dogs
17. Robi Rob's Boriqua Anthem - C & C Music Factory
18. Don't Stop Moving - Livin' Joy
19. Don't Stop, Get It, Get It! - The Jock Jams Cheerleaders
20. Cotton Eye Joe - Rednex
21. The Jock Jam - (Mega Mix)
22. The Chicken Dance - Ray Castoldi

Volume 4:

1. Yeah Baby! - Austin Powers
2. Unlimited Megajam - 2 Unlimited
3. Mo Money, Mo Problems - Notorious B.I.G.
4. Can You Feel It - 3rd Party
5. Space Jam - Quad City DJ's
6. Watch Out We're Here - Jock Jam Cheerleaders
7. Raise The Roof - Luke
8. Gettin' Jiggy Wit It - Will Smith
9. Everybody (Backstreet's Back) - Backstreet Boys
10. No One Pushes Us Around - J.K. Simmons
11. Going Out Of My Head - Fatboy Slim
12. Hear The Organ Get Wicked - Ray Castoldi
13. Mueve La Cadera (Move Your Body) - Reel 2 Real
14. Push It - Salt 'n' Pepa
15. Seventh Inning Stretch - Bob Sheppard/P.A. Announcer For The N.Y. Yankees
16. Jump Around - House Of Pain
17. One More Night - Amber
18. Beautiful Day - Hypertrophy
19. Be Aggressive - Jock Jam Cheerleaders
*20. Get Ready To Bounce - Brooklyn Bounce*
21. Tubthumping - Chumbawamb
22. Good Night - Bob Sheppard
23. Son Of Jock Jam (Mega Mix) - Jock Jam All Stars

Volume 5:

1. Can You Feel It! - Van Earl Wright
2. Reach Up - Perfecto All-Stars
3. We Like To Party - Vengaboys
4. Ray Of Light - Madonna
5. Miami - Will Smith
6. Turn It Up (Remix)/Fire It Up - Busta Rhymes
7. We Came To Play! - The Jock Jams Cheerleaders
8. I'm Gonna Get You - Bizzare Inc.
9. Nice And Slow (Remix) - Usher
10. Woof Woof - 69 Boyz
11. Mexican Hat Dance - Ray Castoldi
12. Nobody's Supposed To Be Here (Remix) - Deborah Cox
13. Feel It/Deep To Right Field! - Tamperer
14. Too Close (Remix) - Next
15. Suavemente (Remix) - Elvis Crespo
16. You Ugly - The Jock Jams Cheerleaders
17. Burnin' Up - Cevin Fisher
18. All I Have To Give (Remix) - Backstreet Boys
19. Got To Be Real - Cheryl Lynn
20. Hit The Showers - Van Earl Wright

Holy S**T you had that handy. I'm worried.

Posted by we_R_DNA on Jan-25-2007 01:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Inconspicuous

*20. Get Ready To Bounce - Brooklyn Bounce*

Ownage!!!11Oneone

Posted by Lizandrooo on Jan-25-2007 11:28:

Posted by jonas on Jan-25-2007 19:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Lizard_boy
OH MY FCKN GOD !!! ... I had most of those...

And you still play all of them

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