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Posted by jerZ07002 on May-23-2008 16:31:

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Proud because you enjoy watching Arabs getting killed for no reason? or proud for watching Palestinian houses getting destroyd for new Israeli settlements?

Yet you claim you are against terrorism and here you are supporting israeli state terrorism.


the Zionists and the Arabs both suck.


Posted by Zild on May-23-2008 16:42:

quote:
Originally posted by jerZ07002
the Zionists and the Arabs both suck.


I'm sorry but there is nothing wrong with Arabs or Jews. The whole problem comes from the Zionists who want to exterminate the Palestinians.


Posted by jerZ07002 on May-23-2008 16:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
I'm sorry but there is nothing wrong with Arabs or Jews. The whole problem comes from the Zionists who want to exterminate the Palestinians.


i didn't say anything about jews. i live in NYC and have a ton of jewish friend. i also know a good deal of muslim (be it arab or iranian) who are good people. put those two groups together outside of the US and they suck.

i don't know why you people think the israelis can't exterminate the palestinians and they can never pass the point of 'want'. extermination is not the intent; they easily could have done that already.


Posted by Zild on May-23-2008 20:02:

Jews and Arabs had been living together for thousands of years in peace before the Zionist movement began.


Posted by tathi on May-24-2008 04:32:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I wonder why you don't see stuff like this in the mainstream corporate media...

it really warms my heart seeing jews rejecting partisan lines and stand up for gross violation of human rights and israeli state sanction terrorism. and the same goes for muslims denouncing palestinian terorrism. they are brothers after all.


Posted by emc^2 on May-25-2008 20:38:

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Originally posted by Magnetonium


I see you criticize islamic radicalism, but not Zionism? How come? I guess you have taken sides then. I haven't taken sides, though I have been appearing as pro-Palestinian because there's too much pro-American-Imperalist pro-Zionist attitude going on in this forum.

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There's only the select few who are pushing for a Jefferson model of America, a long-lost neutral America, pre-1948 Middle East and so forth.

And I am for these above and other things. I believe in America, I know in its roots there's the power to make peace and prosperity for the world. And with current expansionist methods, it is only doomed just like many countless empires in history. History is a tool of learning, but unfortunately, politicians fail to realize that. America's founders figured that out, and laid foundation to the greatest country in the world which has since decayed into a fascist-style system.


Let's see, this shitvomit of a comment is made by.. A russian Petlura-loving Cossack, living in Canada - e.g. someone who has no fucking business reminescing about 'America's roots'. Granted, in the old days, you and your ancestors would not strain their primitive ape-brains on something as taxing as expressing their grunts in words and just simply stick to what they know best - swords, guns, ropes, raping, pillaging, murdering, jews(note how I place them in simple terms you can understand - see if you can add them up). So, kudos for that - your present is below.

Now, if your well-deserved reputation as someone who's known for talking out of his ass so much that when he has to fart he uses his mouth did not precede you, I'd actually be surprised. But since I'm not, I'll just hand you yet another pair of freshly-polished . Shove them up your ass when you're done - perhaps that will shut you up, at least for a little while.


Posted by Flotser on May-25-2008 20:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
I'm sorry but there is nothing wrong with Arabs or Jews. The whole problem comes from the Zionists who want to exterminate the Palestinians.


exterminate?!?!?!?!


Posted by emc^2 on May-25-2008 22:40:

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Originally posted by Flotser
exterminate?!?!?!?!


YOu actually read the drivel these idiots post? Given the means and assurances against reprecautions, these cowards (talking about our exceptionally "special" posters) would go to town like they used to for thousands of years. Can't fight the genetics - once an animal, always an animal. At least to me their babble sounds like M0000000000000000000000000, so I don't take them seriously. Neither should you.


Posted by hardcore trancer on May-25-2008 23:36:

quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
YOu actually read the drivel these idiots post? Given the means and assurances against reprecautions, these cowards (talking about our exceptionally "special" posters) would go to town like they used to for thousands of years. Can't fight the genetics - once an animal, always an animal. At least to me their babble sounds like M0000000000000000000000000, so I don't take them seriously. Neither should you.


you expect people to take you seriously?


Posted by emc^2 on May-26-2008 02:07:

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
you expect people to take you seriously?


1. you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think

2. you must think I consider you anything more than an amoeba

3. you must think that if you were on fire, I'd piss on you to put it out.



WRONG ON ALL COUNTS.


Posted by hardcore trancer on May-26-2008 02:37:

quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
1. you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think

2. you must think I consider you anything more than an amoeba

3. you must think that if you were on fire, I'd piss on you to put it out.



WRONG ON ALL COUNTS.



Great,looks like we have another filthy zionist apologist on the board.


Posted by emc^2 on May-26-2008 04:25:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer


Great,looks like we have another filthy zionist apologist on the board.


apologist? I apologize for nothing, you fucking idiot. Besides, last time you and I had a conversation you said you wanted to blow me, you fucking fag. Where's my BJ?


Posted by hardcore trancer on May-26-2008 06:45:

quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
apologist? I apologize for nothing, you fucking idiot. Besides, last time you and I had a conversation you said you wanted to blow me, you fucking fag. Where's my BJ?



Go do your spamming on some other forums you zionist scumbag.


Posted by Zild on May-26-2008 13:20:

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Originally posted by Flotser
exterminate?!?!?!?!


Yes but I'm not talking about all Israelis only the extreme Zionists who want Israel to be completely Jewish. I'm quite sure most people in Israel want to live in peace just like most of us in America do, but we're still at war with Iraq with no sight in end, so I do realize that just because most of our citizens don't approve of the President or the war doesn't meant it is going to disappear over night.

I really don't know though because to me taking a country from its indigenous people and forcing them onto increasingly smaller parts of that country seems pretty damn close to what us Americans did to our native people. Which in the end amounted to almost the complete extermination of indigenous Americans.

But who am I to talk? Those with power, weapons, and money make the rules and humans have been killing each other since the dawn of our species. So fuck it let's bomb some settlements and bulldoze some houses!


Posted by shaolin_Z on May-30-2008 22:07:

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Originally posted by emc^2
apologist? I apologize for nothing, you fucking idiot. Besides, last time you and I had a conversation you said you wanted to blow me, you fucking fag. Where's my BJ?

You know, I don't consider homosexuality to be a "normal" social phenomenon or even much what I do to be ethical, but at least I don't condesend and demean their humanity with terms like "fag." You must have a big goy dick pretty far up your ass.


Posted by emc^2 on May-31-2008 19:08:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
You know, I don't consider homosexuality to be a "normal" social phenomenon or even much what I do to be ethical, but at least I don't condesend and demean their humanity with terms like "fag." You must have a big goy dick pretty far up your ass.


1. Don't confuse me with your dad.

2. I always wondered, how do you manage to fit your head and filthy arab cocks in that ass of yours? Must take quite a lot of practice.

3. By your statement you in fact confirm that hardcore prancer indeed a pillow-biting cock smoker... as suspected.


Posted by emc^2 on May-31-2008 19:15:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Go do your spamming on some other forums you zionist scumbag.



Daaaaam bitch! You're pretty agressive for a submissive bottom! Stick a hand granade in your ass and pull the ring, you cameljockey!


Posted by Zild on Jun-01-2008 18:39:

Quite a lot of racism for someone who attempts to accuse others of being 'anti-semites'.


Posted by emc^2 on Jun-02-2008 00:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
Quite a lot of racism for someone who attempts to accuse others of being 'anti-semites'.


Works both ways mate. Forgive me for not finding "filthy zionist" a term of endearment. You should look it up, get back to me when you find information to the contrary.


Posted by mndeg on Jun-02-2008 07:52:

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Originally posted by Spliffire
Thanks for posting this article! I actually know the author personally and I can say it's intelligent, compassionate people like him who are the true future of the Jewish nation, not the scumbags in the Knesset. A very interesting question has been brought up in this thread about the future of the Jews in Palestine (where would you have them go?). It is a question that has troubled me quite a bit because on the one hand I fully support the right of Palestinians to have their state and be free of colonial occupation, and on the other hand I recognize the need of the Jewish people to have a nation of their own, a place of refuge from the bigotry that has plagued them from centuries (yes, antisemitism is still a real problem). Liberation for Palestinians AND Jews. In a just world I think a Jewish state would have been carved right out of Germany, the perpetrators of the Holocaust, rather then foisted upon innocent Palestinians. In fact I think that would have been brilliant poetic justice but we all know what really happened (well, some of us at least ). So in the interest of justice for both peoples I propose side by side but separate independent and sovereign states for Jews and Palestinians. The borders for such a two-state solution already exist, they were drawn up by the UN in 1947. Some Israelis won't like it because it will require giving up a lot of land and dismantling many (illegal) settlements, but this is the price of peace and stability. Some Palestinians won't like it 'cause Israel will still exist and they'll most likely have to give up on the right to return, but it sure as hell is a better outcome then they'll get from the status quo situation and the perpetual intifada it fuels. Far from ideal, but the only realistic option at this point for a lasting peace. Here, check out the map I'm speaking of:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/...ael_founded.stm


quote:
The British Uganda Program was a plan to give a portion of British East Africa to the Jewish people as a homeland.

The offer was first made by British Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain to Theodore Herzl's Zionist group in 1903. He offered 5000 square miles of the Mau Plateau in what is today Kenya. The offer was a response to pogroms against the Jews in Russia, and it was hoped the area could be a refuge from persecution for the Jewish people.

The idea was brought to the World Zionist Organization's Zionist Congress at its sixth meeting in 1903 meeting in Basel. There a fierce debate ensued. The African land was described as an "ante-chamber to the Holy Land", but other groups felt that accepting the offer would make it more difficult to establish a Jewish state in Palestine (the historical land of Israel). Before the vote on the matter the Russian delegation stormed out in opposition. In the end the motion passed by 295 to 177 votes.

The next year a three man delegation was sent to inspect the plateau. Its high elevation gave it a temperate climate making it suitable for European settlement. However, the observers found a dangerous land filled with lions and other creatures. Moreover it was populated by a large number of Maasai who did not seem at all amenable to an influx of Europeans.

After receiving this report the Congress decided in 1905 to politely decline the British offer. Some Jews, who viewed this as a mistake, formed the Jewish Territorialist Organization with the aim of establishing a Jewish state anywhere.[3] A few Jews did move to Kenya, but most settled in the urban centers. Some of these families remain to this day.[citation needed]


boy the world would of turned out different if israel was located in africa

i don't support zionism because it doesn't make sense. plus israel is racist toward all non-jews that live in israel. and their foreign policy is racist as well... and america mysteriously must support israel at all costs for some strange reason. i never got the memo.


Posted by Zild on Jun-02-2008 08:05:

quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
Works both ways mate. Forgive me for not finding "filthy zionist" a term of endearment. You should look it up, get back to me when you find information to the contrary.


I think you called me and everyone who is critical of US foreign policy with Israel and the middle east 'anti-semites'. Which is a bunch of bullshit coming from you. It is funny though because Arabs are semitic while most of the Jews in Israel are not.


Posted by CHRles on Jun-02-2008 08:35:

All of the Jews in Israel are semitic. The Ashkenazi or Jews who migrated to Israel from Europe were Jews from the original 12 tribes of Israel who had migrated to Europe around the time of the Romans, and by 900-1000 AD were to be found in places like northern France and Germany. Ashkenaz actually means Germany (don't ask me how).
The Mizrahi or Seprhardic Jews, are ones who migrated to Israel from other Middle Eastern countries. They too are part of the 12 tribes of Israel, who started migrating into other countries as early as the Assyrians and Persians. A hundred years ago some of them saw themselves as Arab Jews.

As for Uganda and the British, the Jews declined the offer for a number of reasons. In part b/c there weren't really any Jews living in Uganda at the time, whereas there had ALWAYS been a Jewish population present in Israel, especially in the 4 holy cities. The Arab population on the other hand wasn't too big, and first started moving into the area about 1300 years ago.
The Brits originally proposed to turn ALL of Palestine to the control of the zionists. However, in consideration of the local Arab population they decided to split the country and give most of it to the Arabs. That country came to be known as Transjordan, ruled by Bedouins not Palestinians. Prior to 1947 the British further caves in to Arab demands, and decided to split the remaining land of Israel into Jewish and Arab lands.
What happened though was that the Palestinians didnt want the Jewish population to receive any control over any part of Israel, and declared war on the Jewish state. They lost and Israel gained control.


Posted by Zild on Jun-02-2008 09:16:

I don't agree especially when the Ashkenazi Jews I know tell me themselves they are European.


Posted by CHRles on Jun-02-2008 20:36:

Of course they'll tell you they're European - these are Jews who have 2000 years worth of roots in Europe. 2000 years from now most Americans today who tell you they have Irish or German roots aren't going to be able to tell you anything other then them being American. As closed of a society the Jewish people were at times, over a span of 2000 years obbviously many of them had relationsh with non-Jews, and married such people. So what you end up with is Jews that look totally different (ie light skin) then Jews who have always lived in the Middle East.
If I'm not mistaken, there was a study done inh the past decade that found that 40 percent of all male Ashkenazi Jews can trace their origins back to FOUR WOMEN.


Posted by shaolin_Z on Jun-02-2008 21:36:

Mizrakhims are obviously semitic. Sephardics are semitic, and are almost genetically indistinguishable from Kurds. Ashkhenazis however have siginifiantly different markers which are far closer to Turkik than anything else; Ashkhenazis are Khazarian converts and have nothing to do with any semitic culture. Genetics aren't supportive of the tribe of Benjamin theory at all, plus I thought secular people knew better than basing claims on religious texts... apparently not becuase Zionism is also quite contrary to the Torah's teachings.


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