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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer Proud because you enjoy watching Arabs getting killed for no reason? or proud for watching Palestinian houses getting destroyd for new Israeli settlements? Yet you claim you are against terrorism and here you are supporting israeli state terrorism. |
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| Originally posted by jerZ07002 the Zionists and the Arabs both suck. |
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| Originally posted by Zild I'm sorry but there is nothing wrong with Arabs or Jews. The whole problem comes from the Zionists who want to exterminate the Palestinians. |
Jews and Arabs had been living together for thousands of years in peace before the Zionist movement began.
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z I wonder why you don't see stuff like this in the mainstream corporate media... |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium I see you criticize islamic radicalism, but not Zionism? How come? I guess you have taken sides then. I haven't taken sides, though I have been appearing as pro-Palestinian because there's too much pro-American-Imperalist pro-Zionist attitude going on in this forum. --------------------------------------- There's only the select few who are pushing for a Jefferson model of America, a long-lost neutral America, pre-1948 Middle East and so forth. And I am for these above and other things. I believe in America, I know in its roots there's the power to make peace and prosperity for the world. And with current expansionist methods, it is only doomed just like many countless empires in history. History is a tool of learning, but unfortunately, politicians fail to realize that. America's founders figured that out, and laid foundation to the greatest country in the world which has since decayed into a fascist-style system. |
. Shove them up your ass when you're done - perhaps that will shut you up, at least for a little while.
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| Originally posted by Zild I'm sorry but there is nothing wrong with Arabs or Jews. The whole problem comes from the Zionists who want to exterminate the Palestinians. |
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| Originally posted by Flotser exterminate?!?!?!?! |
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| Originally posted by emc^2 YOu actually read the drivel these idiots post? Given the means and assurances against reprecautions, these cowards (talking about our exceptionally "special" posters) would go to town like they used to for thousands of years. Can't fight the genetics - once an animal, always an animal. At least to me their babble sounds like M0000000000000000000000000, so I don't take them seriously. Neither should you. |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer you expect people to take you seriously? |
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| Originally posted by emc^2 1. you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think 2. you must think I consider you anything more than an amoeba 3. you must think that if you were on fire, I'd piss on you to put it out. WRONG ON ALL COUNTS. |
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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Great,looks like we have another filthy zionist apologist on the board. |
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| Originally posted by emc^2 apologist? I apologize for nothing, you fucking idiot. Besides, last time you and I had a conversation you said you wanted to blow me, you fucking fag. Where's my BJ? |
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| Originally posted by Flotser exterminate?!?!?!?! |
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| Originally posted by emc^2 apologist? I apologize for nothing, you fucking idiot. Besides, last time you and I had a conversation you said you wanted to blow me, you fucking fag. Where's my BJ? |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z You know, I don't consider homosexuality to be a "normal" social phenomenon or even much what I do to be ethical, but at least I don't condesend and demean their humanity with terms like "fag." You must have a big goy dick pretty far up your ass. |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer Go do your spamming on some other forums you zionist scumbag. |
You're pretty agressive for a submissive bottom!
Quite a lot of racism for someone who attempts to accuse others of being 'anti-semites'.
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| Originally posted by Zild Quite a lot of racism for someone who attempts to accuse others of being 'anti-semites'. |
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| Originally posted by Spliffire Thanks for posting this article! I actually know the author personally and I can say it's intelligent, compassionate people like him who are the true future of the Jewish nation, not the scumbags in the Knesset. A very interesting question has been brought up in this thread about the future of the Jews in Palestine (where would you have them go?). It is a question that has troubled me quite a bit because on the one hand I fully support the right of Palestinians to have their state and be free of colonial occupation, and on the other hand I recognize the need of the Jewish people to have a nation of their own, a place of refuge from the bigotry that has plagued them from centuries (yes, antisemitism is still a real problem). Liberation for Palestinians AND Jews. In a just world I think a Jewish state would have been carved right out of Germany, the perpetrators of the Holocaust, rather then foisted upon innocent Palestinians. In fact I think that would have been brilliant poetic justice but we all know what really happened (well, some of us at least ). So in the interest of justice for both peoples I propose side by side but separate independent and sovereign states for Jews and Palestinians. The borders for such a two-state solution already exist, they were drawn up by the UN in 1947. Some Israelis won't like it because it will require giving up a lot of land and dismantling many (illegal) settlements, but this is the price of peace and stability. Some Palestinians won't like it 'cause Israel will still exist and they'll most likely have to give up on the right to return, but it sure as hell is a better outcome then they'll get from the status quo situation and the perpetual intifada it fuels. Far from ideal, but the only realistic option at this point for a lasting peace. Here, check out the map I'm speaking of:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/...ael_founded.stm |
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| The British Uganda Program was a plan to give a portion of British East Africa to the Jewish people as a homeland. The offer was first made by British Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain to Theodore Herzl's Zionist group in 1903. He offered 5000 square miles of the Mau Plateau in what is today Kenya. The offer was a response to pogroms against the Jews in Russia, and it was hoped the area could be a refuge from persecution for the Jewish people. The idea was brought to the World Zionist Organization's Zionist Congress at its sixth meeting in 1903 meeting in Basel. There a fierce debate ensued. The African land was described as an "ante-chamber to the Holy Land", but other groups felt that accepting the offer would make it more difficult to establish a Jewish state in Palestine (the historical land of Israel). Before the vote on the matter the Russian delegation stormed out in opposition. In the end the motion passed by 295 to 177 votes. The next year a three man delegation was sent to inspect the plateau. Its high elevation gave it a temperate climate making it suitable for European settlement. However, the observers found a dangerous land filled with lions and other creatures. Moreover it was populated by a large number of Maasai who did not seem at all amenable to an influx of Europeans. After receiving this report the Congress decided in 1905 to politely decline the British offer. Some Jews, who viewed this as a mistake, formed the Jewish Territorialist Organization with the aim of establishing a Jewish state anywhere.[3] A few Jews did move to Kenya, but most settled in the urban centers. Some of these families remain to this day.[citation needed] |
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| Originally posted by emc^2 Works both ways mate. Forgive me for not finding "filthy zionist" a term of endearment. You should look it up, get back to me when you find information to the contrary. |
All of the Jews in Israel are semitic. The Ashkenazi or Jews who migrated to Israel from Europe were Jews from the original 12 tribes of Israel who had migrated to Europe around the time of the Romans, and by 900-1000 AD were to be found in places like northern France and Germany. Ashkenaz actually means Germany (don't ask me how).
The Mizrahi or Seprhardic Jews, are ones who migrated to Israel from other Middle Eastern countries. They too are part of the 12 tribes of Israel, who started migrating into other countries as early as the Assyrians and Persians. A hundred years ago some of them saw themselves as Arab Jews.
As for Uganda and the British, the Jews declined the offer for a number of reasons. In part b/c there weren't really any Jews living in Uganda at the time, whereas there had ALWAYS been a Jewish population present in Israel, especially in the 4 holy cities. The Arab population on the other hand wasn't too big, and first started moving into the area about 1300 years ago.
The Brits originally proposed to turn ALL of Palestine to the control of the zionists. However, in consideration of the local Arab population they decided to split the country and give most of it to the Arabs. That country came to be known as Transjordan, ruled by Bedouins not Palestinians. Prior to 1947 the British further caves in to Arab demands, and decided to split the remaining land of Israel into Jewish and Arab lands.
What happened though was that the Palestinians didnt want the Jewish population to receive any control over any part of Israel, and declared war on the Jewish state. They lost and Israel gained control.
I don't agree especially when the Ashkenazi Jews I know tell me themselves they are European.
Of course they'll tell you they're European - these are Jews who have 2000 years worth of roots in Europe. 2000 years from now most Americans today who tell you they have Irish or German roots aren't going to be able to tell you anything other then them being American. As closed of a society the Jewish people were at times, over a span of 2000 years obbviously many of them had relationsh with non-Jews, and married such people. So what you end up with is Jews that look totally different (ie light skin) then Jews who have always lived in the Middle East.
If I'm not mistaken, there was a study done inh the past decade that found that 40 percent of all male Ashkenazi Jews can trace their origins back to FOUR WOMEN.
Mizrakhims are obviously semitic. Sephardics are semitic, and are almost genetically indistinguishable from Kurds. Ashkhenazis however have siginifiantly different markers which are far closer to Turkik than anything else; Ashkhenazis are Khazarian converts and have nothing to do with any semitic culture. Genetics aren't supportive of the tribe of Benjamin theory at all, plus I thought secular people knew better than basing claims on religious texts... apparently not becuase Zionism is also quite contrary to the Torah's teachings.
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