Review Sonic Feb 3rd Red Circle Kenny Glasgow

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Posted by clyde on Feb-05-2007 21:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Grinder
beat it

I did beat it at about 6am.

Posted by TJB on Feb-05-2007 21:24:

Posted by jon jon on Feb-05-2007 21:25:

quote:
Originally posted by clyde
Several times I thought that they possible had some DJ's playing that were possibly in training

Who was that? Kenny Glasgow? Jonny White? Please. I respect the fact that you don't like minimal, but this comment is only testament to your ignorance.

quote:
Originally posted by clyde
Cover Charge - I am used to paying a cover and don't have a problem with that. But when I saw posters promoting the same event at another location it made me wonder ... Did I just spend $20.00 when I could see this venue somewhere else for free.

Sorry Clyde and Daniella, I agree w/ Tara on this one. I fail to see the connection, Sonic on a Saturday is obviously a better party than Toi Bar on a Thursday. There are a number of dj's playing this city on a different day in a different venue, for a different price.

quote:
Originally posted by GrooveBuff
the club probably didn't have enough money to pay the rent, staff, or talent.

to be fair, you really have no idea what you're talking about...

Posted by rulzz on Feb-05-2007 21:27:

Posted by GrooveBuff on Feb-05-2007 21:31:

Just so there are no misconstrued points here, let me just clarify that I really love SONIC and would do anything to promote it and bring more people to the club. I just want the crowds back at the club and the music to be happy progressive tribal stuff. There would be way more smiles than frowns turned upside down. I'll still spread the word that SONIC is an amazing club but I will only do so when the talent is more my style.

Is C&C or Stephan Grodin coming back to Sonic any time soon?

Posted by jon jon on Feb-05-2007 21:36:

quote:
Originally posted by GrooveBuff
I will only do so when the talent is more my style.

I mean really, it was ONE night of minimal. One fucking night. For the most part the lineup at Sonic HAS been tribal/progressive and house. lol C&C were just fucking here, Peter Bailey followed, and so did John Creamer. Your bitchin is totally unwarranted.

quote:
Originally posted by The Highroller
It's good to hear that the music being played at Sonic is challenging and cutting edge.

word up little g

Posted by SuperJimbo on Feb-05-2007 21:37:

quote:
Originally posted by clyde
If you owned Sonic would you promote another club? I certainly would not..It does not sound like good business practice.

Um, yes. If Sonic plans on bringing Red Circle back, which I think they will and should, isn't it their best interest to help Red Circle gain more traction and fans by supporting them on other nights? The more fans they have, the more people will show up at Sonic the next time they play. Think about it.

Furthermore, the core Guv djs (M&S, Nathan Barato, Addy, Sydney Blu, Dekoze, Carlo Lio, etc.) with large followings play almost weekly at the Drink, Gallery, TIL, Footwork, Hotel, CZ, etc. Cross promotion is a solid business practice, my friend.

Finally, Clyde, Toi Bar is tiny. It is not one of Sonic's saturday night afterhours competitors.

Posted by SuperJimbo on Feb-05-2007 21:38:

quote:
Originally posted by jon jon
I mean really, it was ONE night of minimal. One fucking night. For the most part the lineup at Sonic HAS been tribal/progressive and house. lol C&C were just fucking here, Peter Bailey followed, and so did John Creamer. Your bitchin is totally unwarranted.

+1

Posted by Lighthouse on Feb-05-2007 21:40:

quote:
Originally posted by clyde
Some people choose to party more than once a week and others only once per week for whatever reason. If you owned Sonic would you promote another club? I certainly would not..It does not sound like good business practice. Hmmm..are you possibly a promoter for a club other than Sonic. Your comment sounds like a plug to me !

First of all, let me clearly state that I am not an employee or promoter for Sonic...I just like the club and the DJs and crowds it can draw. And therefore, I'd like it to stay in business.

Sonic is an afterhours club...they do not make money from booze sales but ONLY from pop/water sales and door charge. Toi and others can subsidize the DJs with booze sales...you are down $21 plus tip just for 3 beers there, with a gross profit of almost $17 from the sale!

It is in Sonic's best interest to build PARTNERSHIPS with other clubs to co-promote their afterhours business. Sonic does not compete with these clubs anyway...their hours and nights are different...so are their business models.

To boost afterhours attendance on Friday/Saturday nights, Sonic should advertise/promote at College St. and King St. bars etc. in order to get those people who want to go out after the booze bars close to come to Sonic. As a matter of fact, Sonic should give these bars color coded wrist bands (coded for each bar, eg. Toi = green band) to hand out to their customers that would entitle people with wristbands to a $5-15 discount for cover at Sonic. That covers the cab fare to Sonic for the customer. The promoting bar (Toi etc) gets a little fee for each wrist band that gets used at the Sonic door.

For those of you who feel "cheated" that you paid $20 to see Red Circle at Sonic and would see them "free" on Thursday at Toi...well, you are just not doing adding up all the numbers. Look at how much you spend on drinks at a regular bar...the drinks are at 80% plus margin...all that money pays for the DJs etc. Its not really "free". And you are listening to the music in a room barely bigger than the Sonic main bathrooms and with a sound system 1/5th the quality of Sonic's. And, remember, its Thursday night...you are likely only having a few drinks and going home....not an "afterhours" experience, if ya know what I mean.

Posted by fairy godfather on Feb-05-2007 21:56:

I think it's hilarious that most of the people defending this night at Sonic....were not even there to support it!

This WAS a very different night...not my cup of tea...but I was there SUPPORTING the club, paying my cover...

The music was REALLY hard to dance to...and as for attendance...good or bad, I would say there there less than 300...far fewer than the past few weeks.

One thing you must ALL keep in mind it that Sonic is a business, not a charity...the point being made in here, mostly by people who WERE at the club...is that there may not be enough of a following for this kind of Progressive music in this city at the moment.

Perhaps it is best played in smaller venues until it develops more of a following...and if that venue wantsd to "flyer" outside the club, like others do...great! I just found it very strange that Sonic was plastered with posters for another venue...if it were my club, it would have been plastered with MY posters for MY next weeks' event..not someone else's!

My guess is that if Sonic had Red Circle back in the next month, they would have an even smaller crowd.

Posted by kaniz on Feb-05-2007 22:05:

Is this night going to become a regular thing? I like techno, I like minimal, and I like sonic's sound system.

Even with the drama/bashing in this thread, I'm curious to check out the next night if its going to become a monthly event.

Posted by rulzz on Feb-05-2007 22:19:

quote:
Originally posted by kaniz
Is this night going to become a regular thing? I like techno, I like minimal, and I like sonic's sound system.

Even with the drama/bashing in this thread, I'm curious to check out the next night if its going to become a monthly event.

totally +1

Posted by SuperJimbo on Feb-05-2007 22:24:

quote:
Originally posted by fairy godfather
I think it's hilarious that most of the people defending this night at Sonic....were not even there to support it!

Lighthouse (Umar) and I were both there. Who is "defending the night", as you put it, that wasn't there? Jon Jon and Highroller are very familiar with the club, the scene in Toronto, and the musical genre....why shouldn't they have an opinion? Everyone I was with had a great time, except for you, and we all know you are a hard man to please (no pun intended).

quote:
Originally posted by fairy godfather
My guess is that if Sonic had Red Circle back in the next month, they would have an even smaller crowd.

Balderdash. For every person you disuade from giving them a chance, I will convince 5 others to give them a shot. All of these guys are extremely talented and deserve our support.

(P.S. And no, I don't know any of the guys in Red Circle, nor am I a promoter for Sonic.)

Posted by Silky Johnson on Feb-05-2007 22:27:

quote:
Originally posted by GrooveBuff
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Posted by clyde on Feb-05-2007 22:36:

Posted by fairy godfather on Feb-05-2007 22:37:

quote:
Originally posted by SuperJimbo
Everyone I was with had a great time, except for you, and we all know you are a hard man to please (no pun intended).

Andrew...wow are you ever emotional about this one! Firstly, I do not recall EVER saying that I hated it or that I did not have a good time...what I said was that it was not my cup of tea and that I found it hard to dance to...

Also, I am NOT in the business of disuading anyone from going to Sonic...on the contrary...and that you know!

I don't pretend to be an expert on music. I will never know the names and producers of anything I hear...nor will I ever be able to accurately describe the "genre" of any given night...but i do know what i like to hear and what I like to dance to...and this was not it...not that it was BAD...it was just not for me...

Posted by SuperJimbo on Feb-05-2007 23:34:

quote:
Originally posted by fairy godfather
...wow are you ever emotional about this one...

Not exactly. I think I'm just frustrated by the negativity, especially when it is targeted (either directly or indirectly) towards local talent. There were so many good things about Saturday, and I personally thought it was great to hear these guys in a larger venue such as Sonic (not in smaller places such as paaez and toibar). They certainly looked like they were having fun, as I would imagine most other djs in the city would be when playing in that room...

Anyway, I totally respect it wasn't your "thing". Peace. Hopefully Copeland and Chab will deliver the goods for you this weekend...

Posted by fairy godfather on Feb-05-2007 23:45:

Andrew....I have been a big fan of Kenny Glasgow for a LONG time...back to his Boa days when he opened a couple of times a month, and the good old days of Industry!

I have gone to see him at Fluid several times as well!

I have ALWAYS supported local talent...Sean Miller, our TA boys, Rampant...Brad, the Guv group...in fact, we usually make a point of supporting local talent every Friday night, at different venues across the city.

It was NOT the local talent that I struggled with, it was the kind of music they played...

I am SURE the next few weeks at Sonic will be amazing...I will be there...that is a certainty...to support locals or whoever is in the booth!

Posted by Silky Johnson on Feb-05-2007 23:49:

quote:
Originally posted by fairy godfather
a LONG time...back to his Boa days

lol

Posted by GrooveBuff on Feb-05-2007 23:53:

quote:
Originally posted by fairy godfather
Andrew....I have been a big fan of Kenny Glasgow for a LONG time...back to his Boa days, when he opened a couple of times a month.

I have gone to see him at Fluid several times as well!

I have ALWAYS supported local talent...Sean Miller, our TA boys, Rampant...Brad, the Guv group...in fact, we usually make a point of supporting local talent every Friday night, at different venues across the city.

It was NOT the local talent that I struggled with, it was the kind of music they played...

I am SURE the next few weeks at Sonic will be amazing...I will be there...that is a certainty...to support locals or whoever is in the booth!

I agree. Me too.

I have been a fan of Kenny Glasgow way back from Industry days. Now those were parties!!! I just didn't like the kind of music played on Saturday. I'm still a fan of Kenny Glasgow though.

Posted by Cribby on Feb-06-2007 00:01:

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo

BTW, if anyone is interested in what they missed, I just found this on Jonny's myspace page....

Jonny White - Sonic - Feb 2007

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Note that the set starts a bit slow and requires a bit of patience to get into it, but well worth the wait, IMO. Good stuff.

Ok, I'm TOTALLY digging this set! Definately not the typical Jonny White I'm used to...he's gone down a more minimal approach. There's a Shonky tune in there too Would have LOVED to hear this live and on the Sonic sound system. IMO Sonic needs some of this...there's so many deejays that Sonic would suit....and a change in sound once in a while is very refreshing.

Posted by bryans05 on Feb-06-2007 00:07:

This Saturday was the first event I missed at Sonic since December. I would of loved to go this weekend, but had other plans which could not include sonic for 1 weekend (I actually felt guilty missing 1 week! LOL) I have been really getting into the minimal sound lately, but I can understand why it is not for everyone. Even myself, I have to be "in the mood". The fact that they took a chance and booked a night like this is great. They tried something new. Not every night will work out, but its nice to have some variety and experiment a bit.

The next 3 weeks look amazing and I am already looking forward to seeing the names Carey has in store for us in March!

Bryan

Posted by fairy godfather on Feb-06-2007 00:09:

+1 Bryan...

I don't think you can say the night did not work out...it was just different....but it seems lots of people enjoyed it...

Posted by Silky Johnson on Feb-06-2007 00:15:

Word up, props to Sonic for having the balls to try something different. I have more respect for a business that tries new things, than for a business that sticks with what's comfortable...just because it's profitable.

Booking fresh talent to me shows where Sonic's heart lies: with the MUSIC. That's what will keep me going back.

Posted by fairy godfather on Feb-06-2007 00:17:

quote:
Originally posted by jennypie
Word up, props to Sonic for having the balls to try something different. I have more respect for a business that tries new things, than for a business that sticks with what's comfortable...just because it's profitable.

Booking fresh talent to me shows where Sonic's heart lies: with the MUSIC. That's what will keep me going back.

We need to show our RESPECT by showing up...not talking about it on Monday!

My BEST nights at Sonic are when the TAs show up in force!

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