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Originally posted by Cobalt I think you've got the causality mixed up here.

Sorry but what do you mean?

EDIT: Okay i think i got you right here. Since english isn't my mother tounge some sentences might end up a bit unfortunate

So what i meant was that if the flow of trance related info is decreasing, a trance only section could be usefull for those who doesn't want to look through tons of unrelated stuff.

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Originally posted by Whirloop Sorry but what do you mean?

Maybe there is less trance related info because of just that, there being less interesting trance to get people talking.

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Originally posted by Whirloop Sorry but what do you mean?

The poor state of trance causes the lack of trance posts, not the other way around.

Like I said, I'd love to post about trance. But there just isn't much to talk about.

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Originally posted by Whirloop Sorry but what do you mean? EDIT: Okay i think i got you right here. Since english isn't my mother tounge some sentences might end up a bit unfortunate So what i meant was that if the flow of trance related info is decreasing, a trance only section could be usefull for those who doesn't want to look through tons of unrelated stuff.

Well, I'd like to know, what exactly do you think we would gain from having a trance only forum? If you think more people will start talking trance and you'll get alot more info, I think thats not going to happen, for the reasons Cobalt and I have just pointed out.

I just felt this place is the only serious place you can discuss trance music on on a international level. And if people are abandoning trance in this forum for other types of music i think it will be harder to find related info and people.
After all this is, or was, mainly a trance forum once upon a time and i would think of it as a sad thing to let the other genres take up more space than this forum was intended to be from the begining.

It's simply a matter of practically finding relevant info that can be interesting about trance. And i believe that making sections like that would help people. If you want trance, you look in the trance section.
If you want house, you look in the alternative section. At least that's how i work if i want to find relevant information.

Like now i only feel annoyed when things i really don't care about fills half of the screen.

So that's how i experience this.

I see your point Whirloop, and totally understand where you are coming from, but I think the simple fact is I'm 99% sure it's not going to happen and in my opinion, that isn't a bad thing.

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Originally posted by Whirloop Read my edit above

Yeah I see your point. I just feel that the trance forum would see less activity than the main one, and kinda be in the shadow. I think its good for all genres to get lumped together, to me it kind of makes it a more interesting forum, since it feels more like a snapshot of the current trends in EDM.

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Originally posted by Clovis Yeah I see your point. I just feel that the trance forum would see less activity than the main one, and kinda be in the shadow. I think its good for all genres to get lumped together, to me it kind of makes it a more interesting forum, since it feels more like a snapshot of the current trends in EDM.

Also, one of the bigger issues that comes up with chopping things up into little, more specific forums is that activity winds up going down because:

A: Older members don't know what goes where
B: Newer members just see that nobody's been posting in a while and don't bother checking back that often.
C: Everyone feels a bit more nervous discussing anything, as they feel the need to be an expert on whatever genre it is.

Even if there isn't a thread on the specific type of EDM that you like in here more than every few days (and that'd be a stretch), a good number of people wind up checking back here all the time, because there are always new posts, regardless of what they're actually about. So when the time comes that that tiny little niche gets brought up, all of its fans are ready to hop into a discussion about it.

To address C more thoroughly, with a general "music" section, it gives the idea that there's no specific prerequisite necessary for participation--you don't have to know all about anything. However, I know that, at least to personally, I'd feel quite hesitant about posting anything in a forum dedicated to a specific genre, worrying that this might be something that all fans of the type of music already know, or that it's something that all of them hate. For instance, if there is a thread about genre A asking about favorite artists in the genre, and you mention Johnny Applesauce as your favorite genre A artist, there's still likely to be another Johnny Applesauce fan in here, even if it's because all Johnny Applesauce fans are also trance fans, but all fans of genre A hate him. with the current situation, your post about Johnny Applesauce results in some amused grumbling from the genre A elite, but also a number of posts in agreement from Johnny Applesauce fans. With a genre A forum, the other Johnny Applesauce fans would never see the post, and your reply would only result in a giant flame assault from the genre A fans, banishing you from the forum, and leaving you to wonder if you're the only one who likes Johnny.

Now, I'm sure that some will say "but isn't it a good thing if people don't just blurt out whatever they think, and keep posting 'omg what is this Tiesto tune from 2000' threads?" Yes and no. It would certainly be cleaner, but almost any activity is good activity for a forum, as a healthy one is always better than a dead one. Also, keep in mind that a lot of those people wind up sticking around. Hell, I originally came here to find a tracklist from a PvD radio show from '99, but wound up sticking around long enough to read through enough stuff and download enough sets from people who enjoyed all sorts of stuff, since it was all lumped in more broad forums, that I found my tastes shifting dramatically, all the way to what I listen to now. Would that not have happened because there were different MD forums? It probably would have anyways, since, to be honest, I stayed away from this place for a long time, due to the horror stories, but I'd imagine it might, for a lot of people, or, at the very least, would slow that process.

Quick everyone, let's all cater to Whirloop. It's obvious that his personal music agenda is more important than ours.

feck off

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Originally posted by RebeL9 You'll come across people there who believes trance was found by Tiesto in Holland in the year 1999.

Exactly. I've seen some idiots say things like "That's not trance, it's psy!" and "the stuff that was around in the early '90s wasn't really trance!"

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Originally posted by Allied Nations People are doing less E nowadays...?

yeah right

I wish I could talk about hard trance or rave here.

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Originally posted by Az yeah right

People are def doing less E and more other stuff over 'ere in Canada it seems.

More people on K and G which are now much more common-

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Originally posted by Allied Nations People are def doing less E and more other stuff over 'ere in Canada it seems. More people on K and G which are now much more common-

that's more prevelant in hard house clubs over here, and afterparties
club time in the UK is most definately still E. Maybe not quite as many as people were taking at crasher back in the day, but it's still the main ingredient to any house/techno/trance night.

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Originally posted by Az that's more prevelant in hard house clubs over here, and afterparties club time in the UK is most definately still E. Maybe not quite as many as people were taking at crasher back in the day, but it's still the main ingredient to any house/techno/trance night.

Crazy. Over here you don't generally find a huge percentage doing it unless it's an afterhours.

We're driven mostly by K here... as in Kingfisher

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Originally posted by nikhil chinapa We're driven mostly by K here... as in Kingfisher

ba dum dum tshhh....

I dislike K and G at any point, but doing them in the club is fucking ridiculous. Removes any appreciation for the music whatsoever.
"like a monkey with a miniature cymbal, the joy of repetition really is in you"
it's the way it's been for over 20 years, and it's the way it should fucking stay

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Originally posted by Whirloop I just felt this place is the only serious place you can discuss trance music on on a international level. And if people are abandoning trance in this forum for other types of music i think it will be harder to find related info and people. After all this is, or was, mainly a trance forum once upon a time and i would think of it as a sad thing to let the other genres take up more space than this forum was intended to be from the begining. It's simply a matter of practically finding relevant info that can be interesting about trance. And i believe that making sections like that would help people. If you want trance, you look in the trance section. If you want house, you look in the alternative section. At least that's how i work if i want to find relevant information. Like now i only feel annoyed when things i really don't care about fills half of the screen. So that's how i experience this.

I completely agree with you. ...while I don't feel there's anything wrong with discussing some other styles of music on a trance board, it starts getting to the point where "tranceaddict" is no longer a place to discuss trance music, but instead the craddle for scores of topics seething with "oh, house is the rage now I think I like it better".

*sigh*
If folks want a trance-only site, go to Trance.nu.

As for genre split forums, check out DJForums to see how this might end up. It works in practice, but activity certainly appears less so with posts spread so thin. Discogs also attempted this too, with user-created forums, but that just created a ton of dead micro-forums, with the main Electronic Music one still being the hub of activity.

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Originally posted by Sykonee *sigh* If folks want a trance-only site, go to Trance.nu. As for genre split forums, check out DJForums to see how this might end up. It works in practice, but activity certainly appears less so with posts spread so thin. Discogs also attempted this too, with user-created forums, but that just created a ton of dead micro-forums, with the main Electronic Music one still being the hub of activity.

Then I'm afraid the name of this forum will have to be changed to edmaddict...that is, if you hope to convince us of this.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes I completely agree with you. ...while I don't feel there's anything wrong with discussing some other styles of music on a trance board, it starts getting to the point where "tranceaddict" is no longer a place to discuss trance music, but instead the craddle for scores of topics seething with topics in the manner of "oh, house is the rage now I think I like it better".

Yep, I totally agree with you. There's no way house is any good and definitely no way it's better than trance.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations Yep, I totally agree with you. There's no way house is any good and definitely no way it's better than trance.

Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying that house isn't ANY good. There are a very few house tunes that I find decent to enjoyable, but I'd have to say that I almost invariably find trance the superior genre, especially because of its melodically based qualities. That was one of the core reasons why I found trance so appealing in the first place.

But I'm not a close-minded person in the least...I also find MANY other genres and styles to my taste, from classical to indie to euro-gothic/metal, they just all have to be STRONGLY melodic and definitely not "random" or terribly harsh. Trance happens to be my favorite.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying that house isn't ANY good. There are a very few house tunes that I find decent to enjoyable, but I'd have to say that I almost invariably find trance the superior genre, especially because of its melodically based qualities. That was one of the core reasons why I found trance so appealing in the first place. But I'm not a close-minded person in the least...I also find MANY other genres and styles of to my taste, from classical to indie to euro-gothic, they just all have to be STRONGLY melodic. Trance happens to be my favorite.

You do realize I was kidding and don't agree with the divison into subforms at all right?

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