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Originally posted by misterpink Well, Astroboy, I'll let you know that I see your point...sometimes I forget that a comedic tone is sometimes lost when transfering it into print. I do agree with just about any religion in that they are almost always based on teachings of respect, goodwill, common coutesy, friendliness, love for all people, etc. Their books are usually filled with a lifetimes worth of lessons and wisdom that many people could do with learning. It seems a cruel irony that those religions are sometimes twisted and used to manipulate those who support them.

The problem is that the ideology has been reduced to text. In that form it has a life of its own. So just like Communism or anything else, those who seek power will seek to gain control over the text.

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I hope I didn't offend you too much, as too much of anything is bad.

Not at all... I don't really subscribe to any religious dogma. I just mistook your post for something it wasn't.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Most Ignorant TA goes to.... *Drumroll* Seriously, you are a dumbass.

sorry you didn't get the joke, dumbass...BEEFCAKE!

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Originally posted by misterpink sorry you didn't get the joke, dumbass...BEEFCAKE!

Seriously, I'm totally faithless. I don't believe in god, a god, allah, buddah, elephants or anything like that. Jesus didn't exist, god doesn't exist etc.

I get my inspiration from people, regardless of their faith, who do things that matter for my beliefs in this world. I also think that by having no faith, it allows me to understand others better, therefore I can see WHY some people follow islam, some of the basic fundamentals are sound, but it's the way they're interpreted that stops me from actually wanting to follow it. Same with Christianity, I grew up with different christians fighting against each other, trying to blow everyone up and it put me off wanting to believe in either of their causes.

^ jesus did exist, just not in that omgisjesusrunlolololol kind of way catholics want us to see

Seems like nobody volunteered to complete the survey.

islams/islamese/islamics are posers of real religious fanatics. they might as well wear Avril Lavigne t-shirts

aw sweet, after you fill out the survey you can see the results!

lol only like 1/4 of the people know what the nation of islam is

The second question is bullshit.

1. Gender?

* Female
* Male
* Other

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Originally posted by Omega_M The second question is bullshit. 1. Gender? * Female * Male * Other 2. If answer to Gender is "Other," then please specify.

lol whats bullshit about that?

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Originally posted by mezzir lol whats bullshit about that?

Being a black muslim hermaphrodite I get this a lot. Some people think its bullshit to have boobs and a penis.

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Originally posted by mezzir lol whats bullshit about that?

how many categories exist if you are neither male nor female ?

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Originally posted by Omega_M how many categories exist if you are neither male nor female ?

both, in between, more one than the other
alos, gender != sex

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Originally posted by Ian Seriously, I'm totally faithless. I don't believe in god, a god, allah, buddah, elephants or anything like that. Jesus didn't exist, god doesn't exist etc.

You don't believe in Jesus or Buddha? Do you believe in Plato or Aristotle or Socrates?

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Originally posted by astroboy You don't believe in Jesus or Buddha? Do you believe in Plato or Aristotle or Socrates?

I dunno. i've never thought of it in that way.

A belief is a belief. There is nothing wrong in believing something for yourself. Whatever floats your boat. If you think there is a physical heaven and hell, so be it. How can you disprove it? And why must you disprove? If the person wants to generalize his beliefs and force them on others, then there is a problem. Then, his beliefs must be subjected to logical /scientific /experimental scrutiny. A way must be found to do that. Nobody should ask you to believe in a philosophy just because they assume it to be true. Unfortunately, that is what is happening today. Islam tends to be a bit too harsh on the nonbelievers. That is unfortunate and irrational in my opinion. There is no proof except for their belief in Koran.

There needs to be a study that rises above the teachings of specific religions and tries to find a congruence between the apparently incompatible philosophies. Unfortunately again, not many people are capable of mastering different religious philosophies. It is a very complex task IMO. Not even the believers will want to read their own religious texts. They will let the priest do the job and accept his interpretations. Further, the blindly believing masses will never accept the results of such studies, since their beliefs are way too firm to be dislodged by arguments which they are incapable of following.

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Originally posted by Omega_M how many categories exist if you are neither male nor female ?

On a philosophical level some say any categorisation of gender or sexuality is a social construct, and hence any number of categories is inappropriate. So they might tick other just not to feel they are being "gendered".
On a more practical level, some people are born with ambiguous genitalia, so their gender may be more complex than a binary choice. Others still were born one gender and have been surgically altered to possess the external features of another. Broadly speaking most of these alternatives fit into the categories of either "transgender" or "intersex".

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Originally posted by Omega_M A belief is a belief. There is nothing wrong in believing something for yourself. Whatever floats your boat. If you think there is a physical heaven and hell, so be it. How can you disprove it? And why must you disprove? If the person wants to generalize his beliefs and force them on others, then there is a problem. Then, his beliefs must be subjected to logical /scientific /experimental scrutiny. A way must be found to do that. Nobody should ask you to believe in a philosophy just because they assume it to be true. Unfortunately, that is what is happening today. Islam tends to be a bit too harsh on the nonbelievers. That is unfortunate and irrational in my opinion. There is no proof except for their belief in Koran. There needs to be a study that rises above the teachings of specific religions and tries to find a congruence between the apparently incompatible philosophies. Unfortunately again, not many people are capable of mastering different religious philosophies. It is a very complex task IMO. Not even the believers will want to read their own religious texts. They will let the priest do the job and accept his interpretations. Further, the blindly believing masses will never accept the results of such studies, since their beliefs are way too firm to be dislodged by arguments which they are incapable of following.

Your reasoning is intelligent but it tends to assume that belief systems are constant, homogeneous and consistent. As they are cultural practices, not dry texts that exist in a vacuum, the assumption does not hold. One man's Islam is not another man's Islam, and both will have changed over time. Does having read the Qur'an, the Sunnah and ahadith mean I understand Islam more than an illiterate Iranian Muslim? I would argue not. To discern what a religion is at any one time to an extent where one could test it is practically impossible. One can speak of "tendencies" as you have, but with the caveat that one is no longer speaking of Islam as a whole. Thus most attempts to "test" religion on the basis of science are flawed at conception.

how is it relevant to your views on Islam ? A majority of the population falls in the category of male or female. Only a fraction will fall into the category of others. I don't see a need to further identify the specifics, considering that it is totally irrelevant to the subject at hand.

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Originally posted by Omega_M how is it relevant to your views on Islam ? A majority of the population falls in the category of male or female. Only a fraction will fall into the category of others. I don't see a need to further identify the specifics, considering that it is totally irrelevant to the subject at hand.

You can't know it's irrelevant until you've done the survey. That's the point of such questions. When you have a huge sample size you may find that people who specify themselves a of an alternative gender, for example, are more sympathetic towards Islam.

Secondly many people feel they are marginalised or pigeon-holed or discriminated against by a society that sees gender as a binary choice. Adding the extra option involves almost no effort, doesn't compromise the integrity of the survey, but may help avoid offending people. All in all I don't see a problem with it.

'nuff said:

more about Islam
http://www.islamonline.com/
http://www.salaam.co.uk/index.php

i guess its all about how you yourself perceive islam to be.
i used to be catholic. now im a muslim. im still me.

Islam is a problem

* because it is very dogmatic and does not distinguish between politics and religion
* because there is no central religious (and therefore political) authority providing common rules

The second point is not an issue with the Schiia part of Islam, that is why I trust iranian muslims more than arabic ones.

i find that arabs are alot more aggressive because they're arabs not because they're muslims.

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Originally posted by superglo i find that arabs are alot more aggressive because they're arabs not because they're muslims.

but the arabic world is HUGE and crosses several continents and covers several nations - calling all arabs aggressive is as if you would call all Europeans Nazis. No, the glue between the arabs is the Islam so if you think arabs are aggressive then it is the Sunni Islam that makes them aggressive (sorry). I always check that by looking at Malaysia and Indonesia (they are Sunni but no arabs) and I see lots of tendencies to become as aggressive as some arabs... (Indonesia and Malaysia haven't been heartlands of the Islam, they became islamic countries not that long ago)

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