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WOW...this is really great..

To get such great feedback from people that i have never met....it just tells you alot about all of you guys!!

so much for that MTLTA > TOTA thread...BS if you ask me!

This may sound silly, but if you're really having an impossible time finding a job, you might want to try just volunteering somewhere in the industry for a few months. Think of it as an investment in human capital.

I have some friends who did this in the IT sector, one of them started off by offering 3 months of free work if the company would pay for some certification, they accepted, and after that everything started picking up. Another friend didn't make that kind of deal, but the company he volunteered for decided to hire him full time after a few months.

This would really only be a last resort, and personally I'd sooner relocate than do that, but don't discount it if you feel like you're wasting endless time searching.

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Originally posted by DigiNut This may sound silly, but if you're really having an impossible time finding a job, you might want to try just volunteering somewhere in the industry for a few months. Think of it as an investment in human capital.

I agree with you 100%. I have gotten VERY lucky with companies by volunteering with them first.

just ask (beg) for an internship, summer job, or volunteer as digitboy mentionned.

Telecommunication EE is the hardest bitch to find work in, there's not that much of RF development in Canada and everything is slowly going IP.

Have you thought of getting some certification in the meantime?

P.s. make sure your resume is TOP NOTCH, a hiring person usually takes 15 seconds tops to check it out before heading to the garbage.

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Originally posted by malek just ask (beg) for an internship, summer job, or volunteer as digitboy mentionned. Telecommunication EE is the hardest bitch to find work in, there's not that much of RF development in Canada and everything is slowly going IP. Have you thought of getting some certification in the meantime? P.s. make sure your resume is TOP NOTCH, a hiring person usually takes 15 seconds tops to check it out before heading to the garbage.

You are right about the RF development.


I really don't know what to go get certified in. Well I mean I want to know more on PLC/HMI ( either Rockwell or Siemens) but taking a course and actual work that you do once in the industry is not really the same thing.

just bumpin this thread since i am still looking

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict You are right about the RF development. I really don't know what to go get certified in. Well I mean I want to know more on PLC/HMI ( either Rockwell or Siemens) but taking a course and actual work that you do once in the industry is not really the same thing.

cisco certification?

security certification?

did you apply at the governement?

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Originally posted by malek cisco certification? security certification? did you apply at the governement?

cisco and security is IT.....

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict cisco and security is IT.....

nah nah, higher level cisco and security is certainly not IT...

but don't kid yourself, no EE ingeneer in telecom will work outside or far from IT.

try consulting...you could get hardware engineering consulting. If you look for the top consulting firms in electrical engineering, i'm sure you could apply for those. Those are easier to get into and less painfull. OR, try IT consulting..thats what i'm into...that'll help you out. I'm in it and I love it!

Oh and by the way, everybody needs an engineer...work at the Guv, you could fix their lighting and sound issues they keep having.. (hah, that was a joke)

Maybe all of us unemployed people need to get in our car and go to Alberta.

When I do find a job-The first thing I am going to do is write an article on all the agencies that have told me-I am marketable, have a great resume and they will call me back. I will be sure to post it wherever I can and will include the agencies name and the contact name at the agency.

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Originally posted by me@t k@tie but my team leader is sooooooooo cute1!11!!! [ /Mona]

WD has a gf....tsk tsk tsk...u outta luck

Ok

So, any good interview tips??

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict Ok So, any good interview tips??

Google

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Google

oh come on...

i did google and got my research and everything...

i am just asking you people personally if anyone had any...


geez thanks lisa

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict oh come on... i did google and got my research and everything... i am just asking you people personally if anyone had any... geez thanks lisa

You did not specify that

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* You did not specify that

ok..

Do any of you TOTAs have any personal interview tips?

Thank YOu

I graduated EE Technologist and have found it very slim pickings. I also speek French and that seems to get my foot in the door, even though it's doing first level bilingual tech support at a call center. I would be elsewhere, as I am getting tired of the customer service aspect of it, but the pay seems to lack elsewhere. For now I will stay on the phones.

Good luck in your search!

I need a new job,.... my brain is melting.

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Originally posted by Jungle Fever I graduated EE Technologist and have found it very slim pickings. I also speek French and that seems to get my foot in the door, even though it's doing first level bilingual tech support at a call center. I would be elsewhere, as I am getting tired of the customer service aspect of it, but the pay seems to lack elsewhere. For now I will stay on the phones. Good luck in your search! I need a new job,.... my brain is melting.

I did the same thing. I graduated CNET Technologist and started doing customer service in a call center. Luckily I have gotten off the phones and am now working in their Network Operations Center doing the shit I went to school for. It's a pain in the ass working your way up, but experience is hard to come by so you have to get it anyway you can.

Now, me wants to come back to Toronto....the east coast sucks.

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Originally posted by Mandrick_v yeah, well, the key is experience, thats for sure...weather you have it or not, it has to be on a resume... Well, i think the best way is to get yourself into qualifications required from job postings and spend as much time as possible reading. Spend 3 hours a day applying for jobs and another 5 hrs a day reading. Once you know, you can pretend you have experience, you can come up with projects to put on your resume and prove your knowledge on interviews. Having no experience on a resume won't give you any interviews and therefore chances on getting a job are down to nill. Put as many keywords on resume from your field as possible, make sure you have an understanding of every keyword so you can pass through phone interviews. Those keywords are always listed on job postings in your field, use them. Job search is a simple match of keywords. Employer is looking for flash, action script, ajax, java script, html, photoshop, illustrator graphic designer, to get that job you must have flash, action script, ajax, java script, html, photoshop, illustrator graphic designer on your resume. Thats simple. Weather you know all the things listed are up to you and its in your best interest to know as much as you can, start home projects to get brief knowledge, go through tutorials, etc. While at university you could always work part time using "keywords". Good luck guys.

Very good advice.

No experience? LIE. Put phony projects and work experience on your resume, go with a big name company. But be sure you know your shit, you should have a solid understanding of your field, and prepare stories to tell during the interview (problems you overcame, creative solutions to problems, ways that you contributed to the company etc). And have some phony references handy (ask a few friends to pose as your previous managers, who should also sound like they know what they're talking about). As long as you get past interviews and in the door, thats all that matters. Worst case scenario, you do a crappy job and you get canned in the first few months. But by that point you have gained a few months of experience, and will be even more convincing on your next interview.

Luckily I have been able to get experience during school with internships, but if I didn't I would not hesitate to use fabricated work experience. In the corporate world it is very easy to get around this problem, companies dont even verify that you have a degree nevermind verify your past work experience.

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Originally posted by jdjd Very good advice. No experience? LIE. Put phony projects and work experience on your resume, go with a big name company. But be sure you know your shit, you should have a solid understanding of your field, and prepare stories to tell during the interview (problems you overcame, creative solutions to problems, ways that you contributed to the company etc). And have some phony references handy (ask a few friends to pose as your previous managers, who should also sound like they know what they're talking about). As long as you get past interviews and in the door, thats all that matters. Worst case scenario, you do a crappy job and you get canned in the first few months. But by that point you have gained a few months of experience, and will be even more convincing on your next interview.

and sadly, it works.

good luck. unless youre top in your class, there are too many fresh engineers out there. Companies want experience, thousands of engineers graduate every year, way more than the economy needs.

Employeers want expereince, and dont realise that they have to train people to get experience, but this is expensive, and its cheaper to steal expereince from other companies, than pay you 5+ years of salary and benefits to get you trained.

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Originally posted by jdjd No experience? LIE.

The company I work for hires a private investigation firm to do detailed investigations and verify/investigate new hires above a certain pay/position level. They contacted previous employers (all listed on resume), requested pay/tax history documents, performed credit checks, made criminal/civil legal record searches, verified education/grades with the school and more.

Lying may work - but you may get caught and not get the job (or worse get caught after taking the job [either via investigation or inability to perform job functions, etc] and get fired).

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker The company I work for hires a private investigation firm to do detailed investigations and verify/investigate new hires above a certain pay/position level. They contacted previous employers (all listed on resume), requested pay/tax history documents, performed credit checks, made criminal/civil legal record searches, verified education/grades with the school and more. Lying may work - but you may get caught and not get the job (or worse get caught after taking the job [either via investigation or inability to perform job functions, etc] and get fired).

I'm sorry but I don't think that they have much success contacting previous employers or verify grades (degree possibly, but this is alot of the time not checked).
-Employers are usually not very willing to give out information on previous employees to cold callers, especially for competitive reasons. That is why references are asked for with applications (which can be falsified easily).
-Post-secondary schools are not allowed to give out grades to anybody other than the student, not even parents. This is why employers ask for transcripts.
-Credit checks and criminal record searches are definitely fair game.

Even still, the chances of an employer attempting a full background check (and successfully getting info from past companies) on an entry-level new hire is very slim. There are many companies to choose from out there, lying should be a last resort but it will work if all else fails.

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