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Originally posted by shiny one Also, I think I'd rather have a job that won't get me rich but will keep me happy, because I've met homeless people who are a lot happyer then some of the people making 500k a year.

Happiness and money are two totally different things that I believe people entangle to prove a point or make an excuse. I learned in a developmental psychology course that people often say these things because their mind is actually afraid of working hard so they come up with a reason not too (I think that's obviously very general but I agree with the overall content of it).

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being grateful for what you have...but as an individual you are designed to stretch yourself.

I've met plently of "happy" people who are multimillionares too. So what does that prove? It proves happiness as to do with the individual, not the equity.

Personally, it will give me peace of mind knowing that I have enough money to take care of my family, to travel and to live a lifestyle where I have enough capital to actually do something for others (like help build schools, fund charities, donate money to hospitals) as well as be prepared to leave something for my wife and kids if I pass away. That makes security makes me happy.

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Originally posted by Faj27 Happiness and money are two totally different things that I believe people entangle to prove a point or make an excuse. I learned in a developmental psychology course that people often say these things because their mind is actually afraid of working hard so they come up with a reason not too (I think that's obviously very general but I agree with the overall content of it). There's absolutely nothing wrong with being grateful for what you have...but as an individual you are designed to stretch yourself. I've met plently of "happy" people who are multimillionares too. So what does that prove? It proves happiness as to do with the individual, not the equity. Personally, it will give me peace of mind knowing that I have enough money to take care of my family, to travel and to live a lifestyle where I have enough capital to actually do something for others (like help build schools, fund charities, donate money to hospitals) as well as be prepared to leave something for my wife and kids if I pass away. That makes security makes me happy.

Well, you are happy because you don't seem to be selfish with your money. I think it's the people who are selfish with their money that don't tend to be happy. People who are rich AND have a lot of stuff seem to just want more to keep to themselves. Yes, money and happiness are two different thins, but I still think sometimes misery comes from selfishness.

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Originally posted by shiny one but I still think sometimes misery comes from selfishness.

exactly.

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Originally posted by Faj27 exactly.

Yeah, I guess I should have said selfishness can go hand in hand with being unhappy. Sorry
I guess not all rich people are selfish, but I think they are a lot more likely to kind of keep what they have to themselves than people who know what it's like to not have enough money to get by.

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Originally posted by shiny one Well, you are happy because you don't seem to be selfish with your money. I think it's the people who are selfish with their money that don't tend to be happy. People who are rich AND have a lot of stuff seem to just want more to keep to themselves. Yes, money and happiness are two different thins, but I still think sometimes misery comes from selfishness.

it's always easier to be happy if you have money than if you don't, since more good (not having to worry about housing, health costs, food, providing for a family) than bad (self-loathing, guilt) can come from being wealthy. Any homeless person would take $500K in a moment's notice if you offered it to him. Why? Because he wouldn't have to worry about a million things he has to currently. If you can find happiness in nothing, good for you, but it's a hell of a lot easier when you have more to enjoy & less to worry about--like survival (self-actualization, anyone?).

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Originally posted by shiny one Yeah, I guess I should have said selfishness can go hand in hand with being unhappy. Sorry I guess not all rich people are selfish, but I think they are a lot more likely to kind of keep what they have to themselves than people who know what it's like to not have enough money to get by.

I'd argue that you're dead wrong. The more money you have, the easier it is to give away. The richest people in the world are also the ones who give away the most money. If you can't make your rent month-to-month, the chances that you'll be donating to the Salvation Army are pretty slim (in fact, you'd be quite moronic to do so).

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Originally posted by Inconspicuous it's always easier to be happy if you have money than if you don't, since more good (not having to worry about housing, health costs, food, providing for a family) than bad (self-loathing, guilt) can come from being wealthy. Any homeless person would take $500K in a moment's notice if you offered it to him. Why? Because he wouldn't have to worry about a million things he has to currently. If you can find happiness in nothing, good for you, but it's a hell of a lot easier when you have more to enjoy & less to worry about--like survival (self-actualization, anyone?).

Well, It all depends on if the homeless people have faith that they will be able to make it. Even if it's easy for a rich person to provide for themselves, it's also easy for them to spend a lot on themselves, and I think unhapiness kind of stems from focusing on just what you want.

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Originally posted by Inconspicuous I'd argue that you're dead wrong. The more money you have, the easier it is to give away. The richest people in the world are also the ones who give away the most money. If you can't make your rent month-to-month, the chances that you'll be donating to the Salvation Army are pretty slim (in fact, you'd be quite moronic to do so).

Well, the bible basically says that if you're rich, and you give 10%, but it's let's say 5 million dollars, that isn't as much as if a poor person gives away all they have even if it's only a dollar. Rich people might give a lot away, but that might just be to get more popular if they are already famous, and I don't think 10k would mean very much to someone who was making a few million a year.

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Originally posted by shiny one Well, It all depends on if the homeless people have faith that they will be able to make it. Even if it's easy for a rich person to provide for themselves, it's also easy for them to spend a lot on themselves, and I think unhapiness kind of stems from focusing on just what you want.

That's the representation of a psychological theory that relates to happiness. His (Maslow) theory is that before you can reach each higher plane, you must first satisfy all the requirements of the one below it. For instance, if you are starving and without shelter, you are not going to be in deep and meaningful introspection, or concerned about your interpersonal interaction. All your energy will go towards satisfying your need for food & shelter. Likewise, if you can not feel at peace with the stability of your family, you can not be concerned with the well-being of large groups of people whom you do not know.


The point is, with money, each one of those things is easier, and that first level is almost instantly wiped from consideration. True happiness comes all the way at the top, once you've begun to self-actualize (realize your full potential as a person), and if you're stuck fending for yourself to eat and survive, you'll never get there.

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Originally posted by shiny one Well, the bible basically says that if you're rich, and you give 10%, but it's let's say 5 million dollars, that isn't as much as if a poor person gives away all they have even if it's only a dollar. Rich people might give a lot away, but that might just be to get more popular if they are already famous, and I don't think 10k would mean very much to someone who was making a few million a year.

you're right. But they give away increasingly greater portions of their wealth (beyond the fact that their taxes already take bigger & bigger percentages of their income, which then get re-distributed throughout the lower levels--but that's another debate entirely). Hell, Bill Gates has given away something like 40 billion of his 60 billion dollars, and once he dies, it's all going to be gone, save for 1 million for each of his children. It's a lot easier to give away 2/3 of your money when that leaves you with 20 billion dollars than it is when it leaves you with 200.

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Originally posted by Inconspicuous That's the representation of a psychological theory that relates to happiness. His (Maslow) theory is that before you can reach each higher plane, you must first satisfy all the requirements of the one below it. For instance, if you are starving and without shelter, you are not going to be in deep and meaningful introspection, or concerned about your interpersonal interaction. All your energy will go towards satisfying your need for food & shelter. Likewise, if you can not feel at peace with the stability of your family, you can not be concerned with the well-being of large groups of people whom you do not know. The point is, with money, each one of those things is easier, and that first level is almost instantly wiped from consideration. True happiness comes all the way at the top, once you've begun to self-actualize (realize your full potential as a person), and if you're stuck fending for yourself to eat and survive, you'll never get there.

But, if people end up providing for their family and what not, and they have plenty of money to go around, if they start just focusing on what they want, it seems to be all they think about. Trust me though, I've met homeless people who seem a lot more happy than very rich people who seem to focus a lot more on just what they want.

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Originally posted by Inconspicuous you're right. But they give away increasingly greater portions of their wealth (beyond the fact that their taxes already take bigger & bigger percentages of their income, which then get re-distributed throughout the lower levels--but that's another debate entirely). Hell, Bill Gates has given away something like 40 billion of his 60 billion dollars, and once he dies, it's all going to be gone, save for 1 million for each of his children. It's a lot easier to give away 2/3 of your money when that leaves you with 20 billion dollars than it is when it leaves you with 200.

You're right in a way. With people who are really rich, I guess they know that even if they're stuck with 20 billion, its a bit more then enough. But, just imagine if bill gates gave away 59.99999 billion dollars, and was left with 10,000. That would be a lot harder to do then for a poor person to give away all they had, and I don't think any rich person is going to give away that much of their money any time soon.

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Originally posted by shiny one But, if people end up providing for their family and what not, and they have plenty of money to go around, if they start just focusing on what they want, it seems to be all they think about. Trust me though, I've met homeless people who seem a lot more happy than very rich people who seem to focus a lot more on just what they want.

A: The point is that at the top, you fulfill all your potential, and that includes providing for others & being charitable. That's part of the whole idea of self-actualization.

B: I'm sure you have met homeless people who seem happier than some very rich people. However, there are faaaaaaaaaaaaar more rich people who are far happier than the hoards of homeless people in the world. A specific example does not make a rule.

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Originally posted by Inconspicuous A: The point is that at the top, you fulfill all your potential, and that includes providing for others & being charitable. That's part of the whole idea of self-actualization. B: I'm sure you have met homeless people who seem happier than some very rich people. However, there are faaaaaaaaaaaaar more rich people who are far happier than the hoards of homeless people in the world. A specific example does not make a rule.

I bet you twords death, a lot of the homeless people will be a lot more happy then most of the rich people, because more of them seem to know where they will surely be.

Oh man, school... where do I begin...

I think the main flaw of most schools is that they don't frame learning as something fun and positive. For me, it's always been made into such a chore.

There's also a problem with students not understanding why some things are taught. It'd be so much more motivating if all that information was put into context: comparing it to something previously learned, etc. It would serve as a mnemonic. If you can put things in relation to one another, they're so much easier to remember. I don't see a lot of that in school.

For so many years, I didn't do my homework because I was smart enough to pass without. Now, I've run into problems because I'm simply not used to studying. The thought of studying literally gives me a headache. I wish I had been given more of a challenge when I was younger, so I could've grown accustomed to always pushing forward. Now I face the need of a major behavioral change.

Eh, I'm done venting.

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Originally posted by distant Oh man, school... where do I begin... I think the main flaw of most schools is that they don't frame learning as something fun and positive. For me, it's always been made into such a chore. There's also a problem with students not understanding why some things are taught. It'd be so much more motivating if all that information was put into context: comparing it to something previously learned, etc. It would serve as a mnemonic. If you can put things in relation to one another, they're so much easier to remember. I don't see a lot of that in school. For so many years, I didn't do my homework because I was smart enough to pass without. Now, I've run into problems because I'm simply not used to studying. The thought of studying literally gives me a headache. I wish I had been given more of a challenge when I was younger, so I could've grown accustomed to always pushing forward. Now I face the need of a major behavioral change. Eh, I'm done venting.

NAIL IN THE HEAD !
Actually, a bunch of nails in the head. I Iove learning new stuff, BUT ONLY AS LONG AS IT'S INTERESTING. All homework seems to do sometime is makes learning that much more boring. I don't think I'm gonna have very good work ethic, just because of how I am with homework. It's so tough for me to get focused at home because I kind of see it as if you already spend almost half of your awake time at school, they shouldn't give you work after you get home. I think the whole school system is full of something nasty. Instead of teaching you, the teachers and schools are just saying I don't care about how these students learn, I just want to be recognized for having students who get the highest test scores. I agree with all you say. I don't get challenged now either, and you're kind of making me think hey, maybe I should do something that will challenge me. I guess I might find it all fun, but yeah, I don't think it will pay off later.
By the way, I added you. Don't meet enough people who feel the same way I do lol.

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Originally posted by shiny one

OMG, you were born on the 15th of January!

Yeah. Lol, my sisters birthday was on the 14th.

So basically your problem is that you're an average angst-ridden American teenager.

Lol, I just don't like a lot of things about school. Go back to pooping on your moms chest and let me get back to something useful.
Just kidding (unless I was right)

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Originally posted by shiny one Yeah. Lol, my sisters birthday was on the 14th.

"was"?

(And mine is on the 15th as well, that's why I was surprised )

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Originally posted by Lira "was"? (And mine is on the 15th as well, that's why I was surprised )

OHHH lol sorry, I didn't get why you were suprised at first.

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Originally posted by shiny one I Iove learning new stuff, BUT ONLY AS LONG AS IT'S INTERESTING. ...I don't think I'm gonna have very good work ethic, just because of how I am with homework.

Any job is going to have boring and seemingly pointless tasks. And it's often how you attack those that gets yuo ahead. Anyone can be excited and work well on something really interesting.
If you can fall over on those for something as basic as not being able to listen to music whilst you work, how will you fare n the workforce?

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Originally posted by tubby Any job is going to have boring and seemingly pointless tasks. And it's often how you attack those that gets yuo ahead. Anyone can be excited and work well on something really interesting. If you can fall over on those for something as basic as not being able to listen to music whilst you work, how will you fare n the workforce?

I don't think its that kind of stupid that teachers feed you all this stuff like they just want you to succeed, and they don't really seem to live up to that. It's not so much that I can't listen to music and what not, it's more of I think teachers need to get a lot of thier facts straight.

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Originally posted by shiny one What I don't get is why teachers feed you all this stuff about how they dont want to fail you, they just want what's best for you and want you to learn the information and stuff. So many things are false about that because I work better with music, but teachers usually don't let me wear my head phones during class. So many people work so much better with music, but they don't let us have it so they are just lieing to us about wanting us to do well. Also, I have a good memory and I don't need to do 2 hours of homework a night to "reinforce" what I learned. Teachers say stuff like homework is supposed to help you, but all it's done in the past is kill my grade. I just think there's alot of crap in the school system. How do all of you feel about this kind of stuff?

maybe your just a dumb ass. but your right dont do any homework, im sure you'll do just fine

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