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Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU

Out of curiousity, can you outline the reasons that justified the war?

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Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU

ROFL

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Originally posted by Theresa Out of curiousity, can you outline the reasons that justified the war?

you're already familiar with the reasons some say it was justified and with the reasons that some say it wasn't. Asking such a question is only an attempt to justify your own stance based off the inability of someone else to clearly and succinctly state a case--regardless of whether or not the facts support your own. He is clearly not the world's best source for such information, so don't try to get it from him, unless you're only interested in starting a war of words and coming upon a reason to defend your stance and, possibly, insult someone who disagrees with you.

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Originally posted by Inconspicuous you're already familiar with the reasons some say it was justified and with the reasons that some say it wasn't. Asking such a question is only an attempt to justify your own stance based off the inability of someone else to clearly and succinctly state a case--regardless of whether or not the facts support your own. He is clearly not the world's best source for such information, so don't try to get it from him, unless you're only interested in starting a war of words and coming upon a reason to defend your stance and, possibly, insult someone who disagrees with you.

I'm actually not aware.

I am HONESTLY curious to know what the reasons are.

As far as I know

Afghanistan - weapons of mass destruction and revenge for 911 (yea... THAT was justified )
Iraq - ?????

Whatever the fuck else is going on... I have no clue.

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Originally posted by jennypie I'd be pretty fucking ungrateful if I could find a reason strong enough to hate my country.

+1

but...


The only reason I "hate" my country is that they let people in who don't appreciate it and/or say that " OMG I HATE CANADA SO MUCH" And this usually happens with immigrants, but I have heard/seen born and raised Canadians say this. If you don't fuckin' like it.. MOVE, If you came here and you don't like it...LEAVE...if you can't do anything about it..STFU!

OH yes this may sound bitter and or ignorant, but in all honesty there really is no reason to complain.

I guess it's not a real reason to hate Canada, but it does piss me off.

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Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU So why stay here- If you're so against the government and war you didn't support? It's so annoying to hear people in the US complain about the government, war, etc etc. If you're that much against it, fucking move! Either that, or stop being so blindly manipulated by the media and other's opinions. If you do a little research outside of CNN and Fox News you might find that going into Iraq was completely justified. Granted, the cost/duration might have been underestimated, but 1. I'm glad we went in, 2. I'm glad Hussein is gone, and 3. despite what CNN might report- most Iraqis are, too. And for every other Muslim extremist/terrorist we take out while we're over there... great- that's one less guy that'd give his life to crash a plane into a fucking building full of innocent people, or plant a bomb on a train full of innocent people in London. Wake up.

I guess you havent read anything else I have posted on TA in this thread or in the past 4+ years. So nice of you to judge me on what I write in one response.

Afghanistan - Gave shelter and complete autonomy to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda - the group responsible for multiple attacks against the West (9/11, USS Cole, World Trade Center in 93, Bali, Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, Riyadh, etc.). The Taliban was also considered by some rights groups to be the most oppressive government in the world, desecrating religious sites of religious viewpoints contrary to their own, and abusing many of their people. When Afghanistan refused to hand over Osama, or cooperate in his apprehension, the United States crafted a global coalition to go in and find him, and in the process overthrow the tyrannical Taliban government that gave more aid to terrorist camps than its own villages.

Iraq - I'll let you hear it from someone who actually believes the justifications that were used.

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Originally posted by klingklang77 I know the end of the quote. I can't help out a country when it gets involved in a war I didnt support in the first place, with a government that is corrupt, the list goes on. This is a thread about what you dont like about your country. I responded, you are being hostile. When you were a kid, perhaps Bush wasn't president (but who knows with your childish response). I liked America before then. I feel it has really let me down. You are being the "fucking asshole". And it isnt a "his response" it is her response. I cant believe you would talk to a female like that...

First, I didn't know it was a female, although, I doubt my language would have changed much. Equal rights apply. And, yeah, I am aware that I'm being an asshole...

I will apologized for digressing, you're right, this was a thread about what we hate about our own country. However, I won't apologize for my comments regarding her attitude towards her country. You should apologize to me for defending a person that puts herself before her country.

If she doesn't like the war; protest, the government; get involved, corruption; chase it; the president; vote...I'm guessing by the turnout at the last election, she didn't, but now wants the right to complain.

I'm hostile because as a friend and neighbour to the USA, I actually love the country, which is why it hurts to watch it fall to shit. It pisses me off, sadly, more than you. I have to read this crap about how JFK is dead because he suggested Americans should "ask not", then another commment "yeah, no" to he same line. It's stunning to hear you defend that crap, even if I am using "hostile" language. It will be a great country again, when people start believing in that piece of philosophy.

You ARE America, YOU let America down. "Ask not" is really a statement to that effect. If you actually believe that your country let you down, then you didn't work hard enough. Turn the tv off for an hour, and get involved...fn ahole.

i hate my country because of all the wogs and aussie stevie wearing fags.

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Originally posted by Theresa Whatever the fuck else is going on... I have no clue.

Then, like I said, there are far more informative sources for such information than someone here. Whether you agree with them or not, the stated reasons are out there. All it takes is a bit of research to find them. Chances are that the sources that you feel are more biased in that direction are the ones which will actually state the reasons--as opposing sides have a nasty habit of claiming that the other is completely unjustified in anything, so I'd go shopping through more conservative outlets to at least find out what they were. Then, of course, it's open season to criticism of the stated reasoning, and the flood gates open to whatever source you choose. I wouldn't put it on the NY Times to actually lay out such a list, though.

So based on your comments here:

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Originally posted by Theresa I'm actually not aware. I am HONESTLY curious to know what the reasons are. As far as I know Afghanistan - weapons of mass destruction and revenge for 911 (yea... THAT was justified ) Iraq - ????? Whatever the fuck else is going on... I have no clue.

Your comment here, referring to me in another thread:

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Originally posted by Theresa Or you get the idea that the person is too stupid to even bother with.

Was completely unnecessary/unwarranted. My suggestion: Why don't you educate yourself on the subject before you just hop on the bandwagon and dish out insults to everyone who has an opinion that differs from the ones you've inherited from media/propoganda/other people that really have no clue what they're talking about. Then maybe we'll talk.