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Originally posted by jennypie http://atheistdelusion.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Is that supposed to be a sarcastic joke ??? Cuz if thats the average Christian mentality then i dono what to say!

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Originally posted by _EuG_ Is that supposed to be a sarcastic joke ??? Cuz if thats the average Christian mentality then i dono what to say!

Are you for real??

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Originally posted by jennypie Are you for real??

I am sure that there are ignorant people who actualy live thier life believing all that BS that that guy is making a joke about.

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Originally posted by _EuG_ I am sure that there are ignorant people who actualy live thier life believing all that BS that that guy is making a joke about.

Yes, like these people:





All 7 parts here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2fUyJQgRuM


It's enraging at the same time it's hilarious. Especially when the elders are challenged to think objectively about their beliefs. I laughed at how agitated they became.

My favorite part was when the one dude was referring to Jews saying, "These people hate God and worship the rectum!"

LMFAO

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Hmm.. I'm somewhere in between agnostic and atheist. I don't believe in God in the usual way - Bible, Quaran, and everything else related is bullshit - God doesn't talk to people, nor did it ever have a part-man part-God likeness walking the earth, it doesn't do miracles because you pray for them, it doesn't even care if you pray to it, and it most certainly doesn't judge you. All that crap was just made up by people with big imaginations to make the simple people back then to adhere to a common set of basic moral rules. Maybe so that people would agree on stuff they don't necessarily understand and not fight over it. Of course, it'd be great if it was just ONE set of beliefs and moral rules, but people had to make their own religions with their own stories and lessons, which created differences, which created rifts, which created wars, and there went the basic idea of making the set of beliefs to keep people happy and at peace. Don't even get me started on organized religion - put in a nice way, organized religion is a disease upon humanity. It hinders free thought and free speech, it uses the many for personal gains of the few, it manipulates people, and it is the biggest cause of pain, suffering, and loss of human lives that we will ever know. What I do believe is that God is more like a governing force of the universe rather than some supernatural being as He is described in your bible. What I said in the other thread kind of describes it: This force is everywhere, at all times, but it is not a petty being like Santa that cares if you've been bad or good, and watches over you at all times. BTW, those waiting or searching for proof of God, you might as well give up now - it will never happen. I think if we were ever to prove God exists, that would destroy the existence of God. Like, since God is a supernatural being, and if we prove it using our natural earthly ways, then you're essentially bridging the gap between the supernatural and the natural. So you'll be bringing God down to our level. And if you do that, it's no longer God. I hope this makes sense. I don't know if proof of non-existence of God is possible or not.

Nicely said Furball. I'm in the same bandwagon, except that I'm completely agnostic. I'll get my proof of a god's existence somehow, maybe in death, but that's enough for me. I like the idea of bridging the gap.

Here's something for the Darwinians:

For First Time, Chimps Seen Making Weapons for Hunting

By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 23, 2007; Page A01

Chimpanzees living in the West African savannah have been observed fashioning deadly spears from sticks and using the tools to hunt small mammals -- the first routine production of deadly weapons ever observed in animals other than humans.

The multistep spearmaking practice, documented by researchers in Senegal who spent years gaining the chimpanzees' trust, adds credence to the idea that human forebears fashioned similar tools millions of years ago.


Read the rest HERE

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Originally posted by jennypie Yes, like these people: All 7 parts here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2fUyJQgRuM It's enraging at the same time it's hilarious. Especially when the elders are challenged to think objectively about their beliefs. I laughed at how agitated they became. My favorite part was when the one dude was referring to Jews saying, "These people hate God and worship the rectum!" LMFAO

Those parents should all go to jail... into the isolation room for the rest of thier life, they wouldnt mind it anyway cuz they would go to heaven. Someone should paintball those people everyday so they fuck off the streets.

I don't believe that the human mind has the ability to comprehend what lay outside our solar system, our galaxy, our dimension, our universe, whatever.

It amazes me that people believe in God, Allah, Vishnu, etc. The universe is BILLIONS of years old, humans and most reigions don't date back beyond a couple of thousand years. We all think we're so smart, when in the grand scheme of things we are so insignifigant. I'm certain there is something out there, but I'm not willing to go so far as say it's a diety.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE: if you believe in God, then there is no such thing as free will... If you believe in free will, there is no God


so its all in your belief......



Thought of the day: its rain only if its falling

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Originally posted by jennypie Here's something for the Darwinians: For First Time, Chimps Seen Making Weapons for Hunting By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, February 23, 2007; Page A01 Chimpanzees living in the West African savannah have been observed fashioning deadly spears from sticks and using the tools to hunt small mammals -- the first routine production of deadly weapons ever observed in animals other than humans. The multistep spearmaking practice, documented by researchers in Senegal who spent years gaining the chimpanzees' trust, adds credence to the idea that human forebears fashioned similar tools millions of years ago. Read the rest HERE

i didnt know monkeys eat meat.... interesting

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Originally posted by PartEgurl What people eat, and the way people live is derived from their geographical area, and for the most part we are open minded about different ways of living, and different foods that people eat around the world. Yes it gives us "much needed nutruition", but I don't need my weekly "religion dose" to live, lol. As far as religion goes, people from the different types are all very avid that there way is the right way, and with so many variations of what happens when you die for example, I don't agree that what everyone religion claims can be possible.

Question: in as much as you note geographical variations influance how people eat or live in general, does it not make sense that those differnces may also influance how they worship?

The major religions (including the now defunct ones) all developed in very different societies at different points in their societal and technological development. Judeism developed in an iron age civilization that had a strong paternalistic family structure and monarchial political system, as such it makes sense that they have only one god (who is male) and rules over a structured heirachy of lesser god-like beings. Hinduism developed in a slightly more advanced culture with a less formal political system comprised of local rulers, regional rulers, and kings, as such it makes great sense that they have many gods a various levels of authority/importance. The ancient Egyptions were bronze age people who were entirely reliant on agriculture and lived in a political climate with one authoritative monarch who's authority was administered by a large body of bureacrates when their religion developed, as such they worshiped a god who appeared as the sun and lesser gods who appeared as creatures in nature. It seems that either these religions were mirrored on their society or they built the society to reflect the religion, however, as all these societies developed their social structures either before or while they developed their religion it would seem that the former rather then the latter is true.

What needs to be asked now is: did the religion reflect the society because this is what they understood so they created a god(s) that would fit their earthly experience OR did god(s) reveal themselves in a manner that would be familure to the people whom they were revealing themselves to? Both are viable options.... if people wanted to get other people to buy into their religion it had to be presented in such a way that people would understand it and recognize god's/gods' authority over them, conversely, if god(s) were to explain the universe to people they would certainly be smart enough to know that non-technologically advanced people could not understand the truth so they would employ familure allagories (what would make more sence to an iron aged sheppard; Big Bang Theory or Genesis?).

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Originally posted by thesauce23 PLAIN AND SIMPLE: if you believe in God, then there is no such thing as free will... If you believe in free will, there is no God

Incorrect. Most theologians believe that if God exists (because you capitalized God I presume you are refering to Yaweh) he created humans with free will intentionally. Scripture in all three of the Abrahamic religions stress that humans have free will. Presumably, Yaweh gave humans free will so that they would be free to choose to accept or reject him, which is to say love him or not. This makes quite a bit of sense as who wants someone to be forced to love them (of course now I'm projecting human emotions onto god... how arrogant of me... I'm gonna get smote... or is it smitted... anybody?)

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Incorrect. Most theologians believe that if God exists (because you capitalized God I presume you are refering to Yaweh) he created humans with free will intentionally. Scripture in all three of the Abrahamic religions stress that humans have free will. Presumably, Yaweh gave humans free will so that they would be free to choose to accept or reject him, which is to say love him or not. This makes quite a bit of sense as who wants someone to be forced to love them (of course now I'm projecting human emotions onto god... how arrogant of me... I'm gonna get smote... or is it smitted... anybody?)

well if u believe in God , then the belief is God is responsible for all beings, creating everything- then naturally he created you so essentially he created your life. if God is responsible for EVERYTHING, then um ya he is responsible for everything inclduing you, your actions, and EVERYTHING. am i not right in translating everything as in everything created? so God would know if you were to not believe in him or love him or anything.

I didn't read any other posts really... it's too heated of a topic to get involved in...

but based on the results of the poll so far, I only have this to say...
I can't believe how many people here are going to hell!

I think you should have another category on this poll

"I don't wish to share my views on God on a public forum"

that's what i say

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Originally posted by iLLnaDa I think you should have another category on this poll "I don't wish to share my views on God on a public forum" that's what i say

Or just not vote

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Originally posted by EvilTree Or just not vote

whatevs

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Originally posted by thesauce23 well if u believe in God , then the belief is God is responsible for all beings, creating everything- then naturally he created you so essentially he created your life. if God is responsible for EVERYTHING, then um ya he is responsible for everything inclduing you, your actions, and EVERYTHING. am i not right in translating everything as in everything created? so God would know if you were to not believe in him or love him or anything.

Creating can mean a great many things... the Abrahamic religions take the position that God created man, meaning the species... not each individual. Your theory that God is responsible for everything one thinks or does would be plausable if God created each individual with the total sum of their knowledge and personality from the moment they were born... we know that this is simply not true as knowledge and experience are aquired and our actions are largely based on our interpretation of facts or motivations as influenced by our knowledge and experiences.

The real problem with your position that believe in God negates the existance of free will is that your concept of God is not a commonly held one (I presume that you actually don't know a great deal about theology and are basing your theory on what you think those who believe in God believe about him), therefore, what you are really saying is "if you believe in a devine entity that is what I think you think God is then their is no free will." Unfortunately for your theory, all the major religious families believe that man has free will... thus it would seem that if you believe in god you do in fact believe in free will. Your logic is flawed by a lack of understanding. Please try again when you understand the subject.

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Originally posted by iLLnaDa I think you should have another category on this poll "I don't wish to share my views on God on a public forum" that's what i say

I think the poll is fair... by voting you are not publicising your beliefs because the polls are confidential

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Originally posted by _EuG_ I think the poll is fair... by voting you are not publicising your beliefs because the polls are confidential

it was only a suggestion...im over it!!!

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Originally posted by Mortyman I didn't read any other posts really... it's too heated of a topic to get involved in... but based on the results of the poll so far, I only have this to say... I can't believe how many people here are going to hell!

I've been going to hell for a long time, now I'm just working on a good seat.

I'm really suprised and intrigued by the damn near even split on this poll.

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Originally posted by jchung52 i didnt know monkeys eat meat.... interesting

No to get into semantics, but chimps aren't monkeys. They are primates like you and me.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS I've been going to hell for a long time, now I'm just working on a good seat. I'm really suprised and intrigued by the damn near even split on this poll.

Yes me 2, if this pole was done 100 years ago the results would be much different, and i bet 100 years from now option 1 will become even a small precentage of the population.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Creating can mean a great many things... the Abrahamic religions take the position that God created man, meaning the species... not each individual. Your theory that God is responsible for everything one thinks or does would be plausable if God created each individual with the total sum of their knowledge and personality from the moment they were born... we know that this is simply not true as knowledge and experience are aquired and our actions are largely based on our interpretation of facts or motivations as influenced by our knowledge and experiences. The real problem with your position that believe in God negates the existance of free will is that your concept of God is not a commonly held one (I presume that you actually don't know a great deal about theology and are basing your theory on what you think those who believe in God believe about him), therefore, what you are really saying is "if you believe in a devine entity that is what I think you think God is then their is no free will." Unfortunately for your theory, all the major religious families believe that man has free will... thus it would seem that if you believe in god you do in fact believe in free will. Your logic is flawed by a lack of understanding. Please try again when you understand the subject.

very well. but its hard to understand how One can create the universe and beyond but not be able to know the outcome/actions of one species.

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