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I'm with Orbax and BTG on this one, but lets not forget the real problem in the middle east. Zionist Jews.

Nuke the Arabs, Persians and the assorted zionists and you take care of a whole mess of problems.

It will also show the radical Christian right that low and behold, its not some holy land that blah blah blah has to happen to for Jesus to come to earth again and all that hoobajooba. Its just a shitty desert that happens to have oil.

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Originally posted by Clovis Ever thought that maybe that western influence is about something OTHER than just consumer goods/technological advancements?

It might be on some levels, but in the end capitalism is based on the exploitation of new markets, and we are atm the reigning kings of capitalism... that is till China gets into full gear.


Kinda sad that the US will be beat at its own game by a socialist/communist state.

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Originally posted by winnowingfan51 I'm with Orbax and BTG on this one, but lets not forget the real problem in the middle east. Zionist Jews.

Really? Because if you get rid of Islam you don't have a problem either. Maybe the two just shouldn't mix, ever.

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Nuke the Arabs, Persians and the assorted zionists and you take care of a whole mess of problems.

Sorta like chemotherapy...just kill everything a little bit with good intentions that the worst parts will die out.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Really? Because if you get rid of Islam you don't have a problem either. Maybe the two just shouldn't mix, ever. Sorta like chemotherapy...just kill everything a little bit with good intentions that the worst parts will die out.

You get rid of one, some third party group will come to the aide of the other saying "blah blah blah, look what the jew/muslims did to the muslims/jews"

Take out both parties and no one can defend any of them because they are both gone (but then I guess someone could go look what party xxx did to the jews and muslims!). But hopefully sane people will see that its better off this way.

And yea, it is like chemo, sometimes you have to poison the body (the earth) to heal it.

Really though, it would be easiest just to disolve Israel and make it an international zone under the UN. It has too many important places to too many different groups, putting one in charge is just asking for trouble.

this thread belongs in PPD just for the sheer stupidity contained in it.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On The middle east is an excellent reason as to why there should be a very definite division of church and state within every country. Letting people's interpretations on religion decide the lives of innocent people is reason enough to hate any country. It just so happens that many middle eastern countries appear to be focused on this form of 'justice'. :/

precisely. it is fundamentally wrong to enforce your particular religious beliefs upon other people. but you cant reason with the zealot.

think about it- murder is arguably the very worst crime you can commit. so how are those acting "immorally" actually causing more harm than those that decided to murder them for it?

just another example in a long fucking list of how religion poisons our world.

the answer is the continued influence of western popular culture & prosperity. when people have more to care about than their family or what god is saying, when they have stable forms of employment and democratic governments, things will begin to change.

and i have no doubt that the marginalisation of women is part of the cause for such violence in the middle east. too much testosterone holding too much power.

So basically, we need the League of Shadows?

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Originally posted by winnowingfan51 You get rid of one, some third party group will come to the aide of the other saying "blah blah blah, look what the jew/muslims did to the muslims/jews" Take out both parties and no one can defend any of them because they are both gone (but then I guess someone could go look what party xxx did to the jews and muslims!). But hopefully sane people will see that its better off this way. And yea, it is like chemo, sometimes you have to poison the body (the earth) to heal it. Really though, it would be easiest just to disolve Israel and make it an international zone under the UN. It has too many important places to too many different groups, putting one in charge is just asking for trouble.

By the same logic, one could argue that we should kill all the Christians, Jews, and Atheists and let the Muslims live in peace. Or kill all the Muslims and Christians and let the Jews live in peace. Or kill all the communists and Democrats and let the libertarians live in peace... wait, where were we going with this?

gen�o�cide Pronunciation[jen-uh-sahyd]
�noun- the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN just another example in a long fucking list of how religion poisons our world.

I wish I could combine with

lol @ "sane people"

I'm brewing the hugest shit right now. I just know the water's gonna splash my ass when this one hits the water.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov By the same logic, one could argue that we should kill all the Christians, Jews, and Atheists and let the Muslims live in peace. Or kill all the Muslims and Christians and let the Jews live in peace. Or kill all the communists and Democrats and let the libertarians live in peace... wait, where were we going with this? gen�o�cide Pronunciation[jen-uh-sahyd] �noun- the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Hell, lets just end it all then, obviously we are too fucked up to ever all get along. It's not going to happen.


What would the -cide be world destruction?

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Originally posted by Orbax I wish I could combine with

Can you prove the contrary on that point? I know you are quite knowledgeable when it comes to your religion. I'm truly curious to know what unique contributions (i.e. things that could not be done through another social entity other than organized religion) has religion made recently?

Its a pretty ridiculous statement when you compare it to secular horrors such as Stalin and Mao and the Godless states they created...

the point is people are people. There are good channels and bad channels for everyones energies.

People tend to get bound to their religion and Im sure that religious charities are solid producers of outgoing aid funds and services.

I rolled my eyes because I get the feeling pkc read dawkins and found his role model and is just spouting it all back like the all enlightened atheists do.

(not saying there arent sanctimonious religious types too but theyre all annoying)

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Originally posted by Orbax Its a pretty ridiculous statement when you compare it to secular horrors such as Stalin and Mao and the Godless states they created...

Lets not forget Hitler and those kooky little buggers called the Nazis.


You know Positive Christianity just sounds so... POSITIVE!

whats positive christianity

The problem is that some people seem to have the strange idea that they ought to force people, even to the point of death, to be "morally pure" or to conform to their ideology.

Such people can be religious or irreligious.

If you want to make a society shitty, convince everybody in it that "protecting morality" means killing or torturing anybody who "threatens" your own ideas of "purity."

That's the stage much of the Middle East is in now.

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Originally posted by Orbax whats positive christianity

It is the form of Christianity adopted by the Nazis.


You forget that Nazis in the end were Christians and their war resulted in the deaths of 75 million people between 1939 and 1945.

Stalin and Mao had some bad policies (and paranoia) but their death count is nothing near that of what the Nazis caused.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The problem is that some people seem to have the strange idea that they ought to force people, even to the point of death, to be "morally pure" or to conform to their ideology. Such people can be religious or irreligious. If you want to make a society shitty, convince everybody in it that "protecting morality" means killing or torturing anybody who "threatens" your own ideas of "purity." That's the stage much of the Middle East is in now.

It's their Spanish Inquisition (You know Orbax, when Christians killed 150,000 people for not following the Catholic church, remember that one?).


Maybe the Muslims are on their Crusade too?

"Purity" is the ideal you see popping up again and again in awful, murderous societies.

"Racial purity" in Hitler's Germany. "Ideological purity" in Stalinism and Maoism. "Moral purity" in Catholic Europe of the Middle Ages and paternalistic Muslim regimes.

This is no accident. The way to achieve these kinds of "purity" is through intolerance of differences -- differences in physiology, differences in political beliefs, differences in sexual practices -- which is what ultimately leads to all the horrors you read about.

It seems that, for whatever reason, some people simply cannot live with the fact that other people look, act, and believe differently than they do.

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Originally posted by unchancellor538 It is the form of Christianity adopted by the Nazis. You forget that Nazis in the end were Christians and their war resulted in the deaths of 75 million people between 1939 and 1945. Stalin and Mao had some bad policies (and paranoia) but their death count is nothing near that of what the Nazis caused.

Can you link to the source or give me the title of the book you read that shows the Nazis were Christian?

Also, what denomination of Christianity? Because Nazi Christianity is not a recognized form, I believe.

and if you count silly policies like stalin starving out the breadbasket areas the count jacks up quite a bit.

And, all youre really doing is proving what I said - People are gonna do what theyre gonna do no matter what.

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Originally posted by unchancellor538 It's their Spanish Inquisition (You know Orbax, when Christians killed 150,000 people for not following the Catholic church, remember that one?). Maybe the Muslims are on their Crusade too?

Why would you ask me that? and was that Christians or catholics? Or are you being a silly head and trolling like you like to do.

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Originally posted by Orbax and was that Christians or catholics?

Both.

And even the Protestants had their "fun," if we want to split hairs over which groups are "true Christians."

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Originally posted by Orbax Can you link to the source or give me the title of the book you read that shows the Nazis were Christian? Also, what denomination of Christianity? Because Nazi Christianity is not a recognized form, I believe. and if you count silly policies like stalin starving out the breadbasket areas the count jacks up quite a bit. And, all youre really doing is proving what I said - People are gonna do what theyre gonna do no matter what.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity

Google works too: http://www.google.com/search?client...=utf-8&oe=utf-8



The problem Orbax is that Religion gives people an easy means to justify anything, the good and the bad. It is also by far the easiest one to exploit because people are stupid.

Take it out and its one less problem to worry about. From their we can work on getting rid of Nationalism and Racism as a means for justifying evil.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Both. And even the Protestants had their "fun," if we want to split hairs over which groups are "true Christians."

There was only 1 true Christian and he died a while ago.

Branding people who fall short of the ideals espoused doesnt make them the epitome of the faith.

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