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Also - I can't believe I missed this thread until now. Wow.

This might be a new low for humanity.

honestly theresa i don't know why you're trying to defend vanilla ice, it's pretty much well known that he's a douchebag. not just for sampling other artists (as sampling is common now). the whole "i'm hard from the streets but i wear floppy windbreaker pants and a suit-jacket and shave designs in the back of my faux-hawk" while in reality he was just another middle-class whiteboy is laughable. he's like MC hammer pretty much.

no one in the rap community took him seriously for a reason.

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Originally posted by Theresa If I am not mistaken, rap initially came from chants of African tribes... yes?

That's what I meant by 'something worthwhile to talk and sing about'.

Most mainstream, contemporary rap music is just fluffy, shitty fantasy...'gangsters' brag about their money and their acquisitions and most people like it because it's a nice thing to fantasize about, I think. Most people who aren't idiots know that it's pretty much just an act and, although a rap artist may brag about how women are whores and how he's been shot int he face 9 times in his life, they still go home each day to a wife and kids and probably go to their mom's house for a bbq every now and then.

I guess rap in Africa is greatly influenced by American contemporary rap music (not surprising, as it's really influencing cultures all around the world, especially in young people), but people there still chant and sing about how hard their life is as a fisherman - which is really the 'truth' behind rap music if you ask me - not some white guy talking about how hard his life in the suburbs was because they couldn't afford cable tv. Maybe I am just exaggerating, because I really don't know Vanilla Ice personally or anything, but it seems to me that, as with most mainstream music, it's but a dim shadow of its former self because people are really just trying to make a quick buck...not actually say anything worth saying.

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Something like that was going to be Americanized to appease the masses, and to be fair, it was not Vanilla Ice himself that chose to cheesify the music.

Definitely agree with ya there.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On That's what I meant by 'something worthwhile to talk and sing about'. Most mainstream, contemporary rap music is just fluffy, shitty fantasy...'gangsters' brag about their money and their acquisitions and most people like it because it's a nice thing to fantasize about, I think. Most people who aren't idiots know that it's pretty much just an act and, although a rap artist may brag about how women are whores and how he's been shot int he face 9 times in his life, they still go home each day to a wife and kids and probably go to their mom's house for a bbq every now and then. I guess rap in Africa is greatly influenced by American contemporary rap music (not surprising, as it's really influencing cultures all around the world, especially in young people), but people there still chant and sing about how hard their life is as a fisherman - which is really the 'truth' behind rap music if you ask me - not some white guy talking about how hard his life in the suburbs was because they couldn't afford cable tv. Maybe I am just exaggerating, because I really don't know Vanilla Ice personally or anything, but it seems to me that, as with most mainstream music, it's but a dim shadow of its former self because people are really just trying to make a quick buck...not actually say anything worth saying. Definitely agree with ya there.

+1

What I am trying to say is that Artists like Vanilla Ice laid the pathway, whether that be low in quality or not, for the way rap developed. I will agree with you that he isn't the epitomy of great music artist (even he knows that), but he did make an impression on the rap scene, and I think that set a trend on how it grew from there.

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Originally posted by Theresa +1 What I am trying to say is that Artists like Vanilla Ice laid the pathway, whether that be low in quality or not, for the way rap developed. I will agree with you that he isn't the epitomy of great music artist (even he knows that), but he did make an impression on the rap scene, and I think that set a trend on how it grew from there.

perhaps showing future MCs what NOT to do in the music industry. that's about it though.

Underground hip hop > All

I just like mainstream hip hop just to poke fun at it, which is why I make threads about them.

Jesus Christ. This is too good.

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Originally posted by Lira

Pfft. This is the real deal:

Some real fucking hip hop.

I don't think anyone in their right mind in the Hip Hop industry would say that Vanilla Ice did ANYthing of good for hip hop/rap, lol.

Sorry T, but you're way off here.


P.S.

Reminds me of bo selecta "I fucking love west life"

k i got pieces from both sides here

#1, as theresa is arguing, i believe that, unfortunately, vanilla ice did play a small part in bringing hip-hop to the mainstream. i know for a fact if i hadn't had a copy of castles in the sky i got off napster way back in the day i never would've sought out better forms of trance, and thus found this site, much in the same way that while vanilla ice was shitty as fuck, he helped to expose the masses to hip-hop

#2, as everyone else (lol) is arguing, hip-hop had sown its seeds in the mainstream before vanilla ice, no doubt about that. how else do you think a middle class white kid from the burbs heard about hip-hop in the first place?

vanilla ice hit it big with ice ice baby in 1991. grandmaster flash's 'the message' came out in 1982, sugarhill gang had rappers delight in 1979, nwa's straight outta compton was released in 1988, hell fresh prince debuted in 1990. hip-hop was well into the black mainstream, but artists like vanilla ice and house of pain made it more commercially viable and accessable to the white masses.

The only thing vaniela ice brought in was bad hair cuts.

Re: Some real fucking hip hop.

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Originally posted by RJT

aw fuck
that'd mash up fuckin perfectly with john mayer - waiting on the world to change
1 dope song + 1 shitty song = 1 mediocre but kinda cool song

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue perhaps showing future MCs what NOT to do in the music industry. that's about it though.

I dunno... things haven't exactly gone 'uphill' since then. >.>

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Originally posted by Theresa +1 What I am trying to say is that Artists like Vanilla Ice laid the pathway, whether that be low in quality or not, for the way rap developed. I will agree with you that he isn't the epitomy of great music artist (even he knows that), but he did make an impression on the rap scene, and I think that set a trend on how it grew from there.

The only trend Vanilla Ice started was what not to do if one wants to be taken seriously.

the realest white mc;



rob birch

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It's a true story that Video Killed the Radio Star because music should not be about image. Music should be about the music! I learned the hard way. The new Vanilla Ice is exactly that; no image, no polished made up gimmicks created by record companies. I will never be a puppet for the industry again. From this point on I will keep it real. That's why I didn't change the name. It doesn't mean anything; it's only a label. It's not important, plus I am not running from anything or trying to hide. I want people to know that I face my adversaries. Don't get me wrong, though I love Ice Ice Baby, I just can't stand the image that was created for me at that time. Even though it worked and we sold 17 million records, I was treated like a puppet just to make a Hip Hop artist look like a novelty act. I was not designed to be that. I was turned into that by making my image more acceptable to a younger audience, but to tell the difference just listen to the music. It's Hip Hop not Pop like all the other novelty acts.

http://www.vanillaice.com/bio.shtml

There you go, straight from the horse's mouth. The only thing Ice set the bar for was how hip hop could be exploited as a gimmick, and how to make it easily digestible and watered down enough to jack the planet's white population for its hard earned cash. To call him a "rap icon" based on this is outrageous.

The only white rapper to ever have achieved an icon-like status is, surprise surprise, this guy:



Unsurprisingly, Ice is now making those hideous nu metal/rap hybrids that cater to the teen angst Korn/Slipknot-massive. Ross Robinson must've had a death wish.

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Originally posted by mezzir k i got pieces from both sides here #1, as theresa is arguing, i believe that, unfortunately, vanilla ice did play a small part in bringing hip-hop to the mainstream. i know for a fact if i hadn't had a copy of castles in the sky i got off napster way back in the day i never would've sought out better forms of trance, and thus found this site, much in the same way that while vanilla ice was shitty as fuck, he helped to expose the masses to hip-hop #2, as everyone else (lol) is arguing, hip-hop had sown its seeds in the mainstream before vanilla ice, no doubt about that. how else do you think a middle class white kid from the burbs heard about hip-hop in the first place? vanilla ice hit it big with ice ice baby in 1991. grandmaster flash's 'the message' came out in 1982, sugarhill gang had rappers delight in 1979, nwa's straight outta compton was released in 1988, hell fresh prince debuted in 1990. hip-hop was well into the black mainstream, but artists like vanilla ice and house of pain made it more commercially viable and accessable to the white masses.

Thank you... you said it better than I apparently could.

I hate hip-hop

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Pfft. This is the real deal:

Pfft. This is being under pressure:



Keep banging on the walls!

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Originally posted by Theresa I saw something several years ago with him in it, and he was so ashamed of his "15 minutes of fame". He went to a karaoke bar with some people, and his song came on, and they were cheering him on, but he wanted nothing to do with it. He felt like he made himself look like an idiot. "One hit wonder". The sad part is, for our generation, he is a fricken legend. He set the bar with the white rapping community imo.

After reviewing this post again, seems like Theresa is prouder of Vanilla Ice's achievements than Vanilla Ice.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous After reviewing this post again, seems like Theresa is prouder of Vanilla Ice's achievements than Vanilla Ice.

maybe shes related.or maybe its because she directed THIS movie?!!

ninja rap yo...

Actually, technically the first white rapper ever was Debbie Harry <3:

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