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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur We can argue over semantics, but I would say you did:

Semantics..

n. A decisive or critical test, as of worth or quality.

Pertaining to the fact that good djs don't dance and good dancers don't dj...

Perhaps but being argumentative for the sake of it isn't in my nature.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict oh come on just look...i changed it a few days ago...

Thank you *mwah*

I didn't read the other posts before, thanks guys for realizing how upsetting it is for me

In all seriousness, if you're going to pick up equipment, good starter stuff:

If youre gonna do the vinyl thing:
Used Stanton Str8-80s. Direct drive, stable, decent. When you're just starting you won't notice the difference between geminis and techs anyway.

CD Thing:
Denon DN-S1000.
Best compact unit I've ever used. Best bang for the buck without a doubt. Full effects, mp3 capability. Amazing.

I find the pitch bend on the jog wheel of the CDJ200 has a stupid curve to it, nothing like the 800 or 1000. Don't really like the 200 personally.

Mixer Thing:
Numark DMX06. Affordable, digital sound, effects, built like a tank. Option of sideways EQ (which I don't particularly like) or vertical.

You can go even cheaper with a Behringer VMX200. Cheap and mimics the Pioneer DJM mixer series impeccably well. I started with a VMX and there wasnt even a hiccup when switching to a DJM. But, no effects, and not the greatest sound quality (if you're a stickler for that).

Anything else, check the dj/producer forums

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Originally posted by smuncky i mean like really been into it. cuz i can also say i was in it when i heard sandstorm, but i only got really into when i joined TA. cuz wat i was going to say was that most people who start liking this genre of music have this undying urge to try out DJing in their first year or so. but if uve truely been listening to EDM for that long then that doesnt apply to u.

well i first got into it back then, but i have really been following it hardcore for the last 4 years or so..

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Originally posted by English Rachel Thank you *mwah* I didn't read the other posts before, thanks guys for realizing how upsetting it is for me

crazy bunny lady

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Originally posted by Endgame In all seriousness, if you're going to pick up equipment, good starter stuff: If youre gonna do the vinyl thing: Used Stanton Str8-80s. Direct drive, stable, decent. When you're just starting you won't notice the difference between geminis and techs anyway. CD Thing: Denon DN-S1000. Best compact unit I've ever used. Best bang for the buck without a doubt. Full effects, mp3 capability. Amazing. I find the pitch bend on the jog wheel of the CDJ200 has a stupid curve to it, nothing like the 800 or 1000. Don't really like the 200 personally. Mixer Thing: Numark DMX06. Affordable, digital sound, effects, built like a tank. Option of sideways EQ (which I don't particularly like) or vertical. You can go even cheaper with a Behringer VMX200. Cheap and mimics the Pioneer DJM mixer series impeccably well. I started with a VMX and there wasnt even a hiccup when switching to a DJM. But, no effects, and not the greatest sound quality (if you're a stickler for that). Anything else, check the dj/producer forums

more great info...Thank You!

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Originally posted by Endgame CD Thing: Denon DN-S1000. Best compact unit I've ever used. Best bang for the buck without a doubt. Full effects, mp3 capability. Amazing.

ill have to disagree with that...i prefer the CDJ 200 to the s1000s....the soft touch buttons annoy me..+ those things wear out easy (we had the cd insert mechanism fail on us cos the gear attached to the motor wore out)

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Originally posted by El Kay Dee i told u to use Yohan Gielen but noooooooooooooooooo

that was golden

i think the best advice youve been given so far is to try TRAKTOR.

its really no different that a pair of cdj 200s and a mixer.
if you can use Traktor without the aid of the automatch functions, its the exact same as spinning with a 200, with the obvious decrease in tactility. it really is.
i played with traktor for a few months prior to my initial purchase of technics.
let me tell you,
i could mix the first time i used them and its because of traktor.
i believe you can even record mixes with Traktor now too.

its an ecellent piece of software and im looking to add a digital component to my setup soon and i wont bother spending at least a g on cd players when i can do the exact same things with Traktor3 for a fraction of the cost.

seriously,
its just the smartest decision.
if you like it and can mix by ear with out using the automix, then youre totally ready to use cd players or record players.
and it will give you the chance to develop a taste for djing without the huge initial investment.
it wont be that easy to sell stuff if you change your mind unless you buy really good equipment.

Yeah so I just got Traktor 3 and i have been playing around with it....

I am such a n00b at this...lol

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict more great info...Thank You!

not really.
thats all stuff youre gonna want to replace eventually. probably within a year.
and you wont be able to sell it.
the truth is: there arent that many people out there who are gonna buy used numark or denon gear.
most people would suggest: buy good stuff and it never has to be upgraded.
i dont see any sense in purchasing equipment you will want to upgrade that will be hard to sell.
pioneer stuff has a great resale value. especially the 1000s.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict Yeah so I just got Traktor 3 and i have been playing around with it.... I am such a n00b at this...lol

keep messin around.
start usin the automix button and then the pitch bend to keep the tracks matched.
use the pitch bend to slow the track down slightly. or to speed it up slightly as needed.
try to eventually get used to using the slider and pitch bend without the automix button.

have fun

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Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah not really. thats all stuff youre gonna want to replace eventually. probably within a year. and you wont be able to sell it. the truth is: there arent that many people out there who are gonna buy used numark or denon gear. most people would suggest: buy good stuff and it never has to be upgraded. i dont see any sense in purchasing equipment you will want to upgrade that will be hard to sell. pioneer stuff has a great resale value. especially the 1000s.

i was thinking of going with the 200s.

What mixer would you suggest, but reasonable price.

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Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah keep messin around. start usin the automix button and then the pitch bend to keep the tracks matched. use the pitch bend to slow the track down slightly. or to speed it up slightly as needed. try to eventually get used to using the slider and pitch bend without the automix button. have fun

now i might come off retarded, but....

is there any tracks you or othere could recommend that would be easy to start with. i dunno if my question makes sense, but it just seems to me that some tracks blend it much better than other...again sorry for the dumb question....

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict i was thinking of going with the 200s. What mixer would you suggest, but reasonable price.

if youre willing to spend about $600. id say the Allen & Heath Xone 32.
you really cant get a mixer anywhere that good for that price.
anything better than that will probably cost you fifteen hundred to two thousand dollars.
great filters and sound quality on the xone.
A&H was chosen to emulate the mixer for traktor 3.

if thats really too pricey you could get a nice vestax mixer for about 3 or 4 hundred.

you can also get something like a two channel numark or vestax for about a couple hundred dollars.

like i said though,
if you cheap out,
youre gonna wanna replace your stuff and you wont be able to sell it.
but,
if you only buy a mixer for a couple bills its not much of a loss. and you can keep it as a spare.

your worst bet is something in the $4oo dollar range.
get something great, or get something really cheap.
i went with the $4oo vestax and i upgraded to the Xone32 within a half year.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict now i might come off retarded, but.... is there any tracks you or othere could recommend that would be easy to start with. i dunno if my question makes sense, but it just seems to me that some tracks blend it much better than other...again sorry for the dumb question....

i find tracks by Skylark to be the absolute easiest to mix.
long 4/4 intros and outros.
fairly predictable in terms of drops.

you gotta play the tracks at the right time so count 16 beats (tapping your foot might help) then play your second track. use the automix button if you dont have the beats per minute matched already or if you dont start it at the right time. beats per minute is the tempo of the track. the two tracks have to be adjusted so the bpms are the same. when tow tracks have an equal bpm the beats will fall at the same time.

the only way of doing computer djing and getting the feel of CDJs with traktor (for example) is by using a midi controller..im using my m-audio radium 49 and an evolution UC 33e on ableton live but i do more than just mix...do alot of sampling, live productions etc etc in a set.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict now i might come off retarded, but.... is there any tracks you or othere could recommend that would be easy to start with. i dunno if my question makes sense, but it just seems to me that some tracks blend it much better than other...again sorry for the dumb question....

I don't think so. Every track has the potential of clashing with another - the reason they sound good together is because the DJ knows they sound good together, not because they are "easy to blend" on their own.

a good way to start off with traktor, mix tracks made by the same producer. they'll have similar basslines that are easier to match. ive been playing with traktor 3 for over a year now and i think ive got it good now. im actually recording a mix right now that ill post in the dj list. once you get it, its actually a lot of fun. i suggest reading the manual as well. that'll help you get a feel for the controls and what they do. usually you start the next track at the drop.. but not always.

traktor is a toy and a cheat

nothing will teach you more about phasing and precision mixing like a pair of used technics a shitty mixer and a crate of used vinyl

i still regret starting up with cdjs myself

Even if you'll end up buying cdjs buy one turntable and buy some vinyl occasionally

its a cheat if you use the synch, otherwise its the best you can get without actual decks

no its not about the sync but about waveform display yes it is incredibly handy if play in ableton or 3 decks but otherwise i think djs should feel their music and not read it

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Originally posted by rulzz no its not about the sync but about waveform display yes it is incredibly handy if play in ableton or 3 decks but otherwise i think djs should feel their music and not read it

you can read it on the 800s and 1000s

not to sound like an ass or anything.


ill be the first to take decks over traktor but what im saying is, its a good starting tool to learn the way of djing and by able to see the waveform, it can teach you how it relates to the songs for structure etc.

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Originally posted by rulzz traktor is a toy and a cheat

you sound exactly like the people who were trashing cd players a few years ago.

the only real difference between using traktor and a pair of cdplayers is the tactile experience.
other than that, theyre virtually the exact same.
and the touch and feel of most cd players isnt that great anyways.
pressing play on one of thsose is not much different than clicking a mouse. though it does suck when youre sitting using a mouse and not having your hands on some knobs.
and cd players have bpm counters so you can cheat with them too.
its definitely not as easy as traktor though.

ps
i know francois k was using traktor exclusively for a while. not sure if he still is.

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Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah you sound exactly like the people who were trashing cd players a few years ago. the only real difference between using traktor and a pair of cdplayers is the tactile experience. other than that, theyre virtually the exact same. and the touch and feel of most cd players isnt that great anyways. pressing play on one of thsose is not much different than clicking a mouse. though it does suck when youre sitting using a mouse and not having your hands on some knobs. and cd players have bpm counters so you can cheat with them too. its definitely not as easy as traktor though. ps i know francois k was using traktor exclusively for a while. not sure if he still is.

It might be same for you, but it's different for most others.

Mouse clicking and actually manipulating a turntable or a cdj is completely different feeling. Just IMO

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Originally posted by EvilTree It might be same for you, but it's different for most others. Mouse clicking and actually manipulating a turntable or a cdj is completely different feeling. Just IMO

yeah
thats what i said the difference is.
i said that the similarities are in the functions they perform.

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