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Arbiter pretty much summed it up. Frankly it's a bullshit term (the way it's used), as you have to consider many moral aspects, and often people who judge others as immature are bitter hypocrites.

Been thinking about this again lately. I read some blog where the author basically writes that anyone not married off and looking to have kids by their 20s must be a pitiful, self-indulgent emotional adolescent.

Mostly I agree that "maturity" as a term is just used to berate people whose lifestyles are not to your taste.

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Originally posted by Silky Johnson You're a real man now, son. Be wise in the world and brave in your heart.

Hahahahah as if I said this.

2007 seemed like it was a gay year.

It was a weird year for me. Moved back home for about eight months. Lived with a friend and an acquaintance in an apartment. Spent a fuckton of time on TA. Did more drugs and drinking than I ever had before or have since. Had a short-lived long distance thing with a 34 year old woman from Chicago. Then left again to go finish up school.

It had its pluses and minuses.

For some reason I picture you living alone in a trailer (one of those silver bullet old school ones) in Alaska. Eating canned beans over a fire every night and whittling native art out of drift wood. Smoking hand rolled cigarettes and drinking whiskey you bought at the trading post.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie For some reason I picture you living alone in a trailer (one of those silver bullet old school ones) in Alaska. Eating canned beans over a fire every night and whittling native art out of drift wood. Smoking hand rolled cigarettes and drinking whiskey you bought at the trading post.

No, it was rather more mundane than that. But keep that image if you like.

I will!

Maturity = domesticated middle-classness.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Maturity = domesticated middle-classness.

That was the impression I got from that blog I read.

I am a bit uncomfortable with the condescension present in "domesticated," but perhaps it is fair play, given the disdain plenty of married people have for older single ones. And I do think that marriage (or even just a very long term relationship) does have a way of smoothing people's personalities over, making them less "feral" and sharp-edged. A hazy blob of two blended people. Not always true, but it does happen often enough.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Maturity = domesticated middle-classness.

eh, i don't think so.

for me maturity is having a broader consciousness of self beyond the infantile narrow sense thereof. It comes from love, procreation, community, environment, etc.


i think there is something out there called 'stages of social maturity' or 'orders of consciousness' that speaks to this.

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Originally posted by Vector A That was the impression I got from that blog I read. I am a bit uncomfortable with the condescension present in "domesticated," but perhaps it is fair play, given the disdain plenty of married people have for older single ones. And I do think that marriage (or even just a very long term relationship) does have a way of smoothing people's personalities over, making them less "feral" and sharp-edged. A hazy blob of two blended people. Not always true, but it does happen often enough.

I mean it in the sense of having domestic trappings. When people have a house, a garden, kids and a dog, those things take so much maintenance they begin to consume people's lives and interests. Any time not spent working to fund these things is spent on cleaning them, redecorating them, pruning them, buying things for them. Individual interests and pastimes are increasingly marginalised, until people become almost exclusively concerned with work, family, home. This is not necessarily about being married - if a single person gets a mortgage on a house with a garden and has a pet they will start to go down the same route, albeit without the accompanied acceleration of a child.

Maintenance of assumed obligation. I can buy a house or have a child, but if I don't stick around to maintain these things, what good am I?

I don't believe emotional maturity is really a thing, at some point. It will always be subject to the judgment of others, comparing theirs to yours. It's generally quite worthless to people who are in fact mature and accomplished at their own accord.

Hah, synchronicity.

Yeah, I think we're on the same page about this issue. I don't necessarily believe in emotional maturity either. A friend of mine says everyone is still 16 years old, they just get better at hiding it.

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Originally posted by Arbiter The process by which the behavior of an individual is shaped through various means to conform with the standards of a particular culture is certainly not part of the maturation of a human being any more than being chopped up and assembled into a chair is part of the maturation process of a tree.

Hahaha.

You rule, 24-year-old me.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Hahaha. You rule, 24-year-old me.

Aha, now we know your age! One step closer to revealing your identity.

Assuming you were truthful just now.

What other uses do trees have???

Or you could have just viewed my forum profile.

Assuming I'm being truthful there.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On What other uses do trees have???

There used to be a thing called paper. Sort of like vellum, but made from processed trees.

Maturity is farting and not laughing about it.

Edit: oops, looks like ygrene beat me to that one.

You know you are mature when you utter the phrase: "Kids these days"
or "Those fucking kids" or "When I was your age, dang garn it"



Dang garn it <-- I've never been able to hear exactly what these words are, but they sound like this.

When you constantly repeat the same old mistakes and end up fucking yourself over continuously in your lifetime after the age of 18, you are, in the big picture, immature.

i used to be mature, but i grew out of it.

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