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yea and not to mention, when i was 10 and living in the ghetto, a family downstairs was having problems and the guy was beating the shit out of his wife, and i ran downstairs and grabbed the 2 little boys and brought them up to our apt until the police came. obviously i wasn't gonna step in and try to break up the adults fighting, but i sure as hell just reacted without even thinking. the first thing i thought of was the boys getting hurt. they were like 3 and 5.


so yea, i'm pretty confident that i'd be one of the doers in a situation like that, rather than a pussy.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Well, if youre asking me specifically, a girl got carjacked at 530 in the morning in front of my apartment two weeks ago. She was delivering the paper. The guy pulled a gun on her. Not necessarily the same kind of situation, obviously.

well its similar in a sense but were you there WATCHING it happen? if so why didnt you do anything?

The whole story is that her screams woke me up so I ran my shoes and by the time I got outside he had driven away. So my roommate and I stayed with her until the cops came. She was terrified.

And like I said before, I have a certain sense of responsibility in these situations. I dont just watch.

i don't thing you can chalk it up to being just selfish. when something like this happens our survival instincts take over. you don't see antelope gunning back to help the one who's been caught by the lion.

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Originally posted by Slylee yea and not to mention, when i was 10 and living in the ghetto, a family downstairs was having problems and the guy was beating the shit out of his wife, and i ran downstairs and grabbed the 2 little boys and brought them up to our apt until the police came. obviously i wasn't gonna step in and try to break up the adults fighting, but i sure as hell just reacted without even thinking. the first thing i thought of was the boys getting hurt. they were like 3 and 5. so yea, i'm pretty confident that i'd be one of the doers in a situation like that, rather than a pussy.

well its good to know! there arent many people that can just do it. its a rare trait.

ang: see so really you just saw the end result. very different than seeing it happen.

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Originally posted by Lira Not really, I live in a sensible land There was this one time, actually, when an old man saw a rapist attacking a girl, grabbed a metal bar that was laying somewhere on the ground and hit the rapist so hard the rapist went into a deep coma. The guy wasn't convicted.

well this is the "good ole" US of A...where a murderer can sue because someone beat his ass for murdering someone.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie What?

A friend and I were smoking outside a restaurant, taking a break from work. A couple comes out and they are fighting. The women is just trying to leave but the male keeps on pulling her towards the car. He eventually slaps her several times in the head and she looks at my friend and I and asks for help. We didn't reply to her or anything because it wasn't our business.

My friend read the paper and showed me that the women who needed our help was killed by her husband. The very same man who was slapping her and pulling her outside the restaurant.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel well its good to know! there arent many people that can just do it. its a rare trait. ang: see so really you just saw the end result. very different than seeing it happen.

So when I looked out my window to see what was going on I didnt see it happen?

Im confused, I dont understand how this is relating.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid A friend and I were smoking outside a restaurant, taking a break from work. A couple comes out and they are fighting. The women is just trying to leave but the male keeps on pulling her towards the car. He eventually slaps her several times in the head and she looks at my friend and I and asks for help. We didn't reply to her or anything because it wasn't our business. My friend read the paper and showed me that the women who needed our help was killed by her husband. The very same man who was slapping her and pulling her outside the restaurant.

Youre a bunch of bullshit.

And actually, thats a crime.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie So when I looked out my window to see what was going on I didnt see it happen? Im confused, I dont understand how this is relating.

you saw the end result of a crime. not the actual comission of the crime. you didnt see what happened.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid A friend and I were smoking outside a restaurant, taking a break from work. A couple comes out and they are fighting. The women is just trying to leave but the male keeps on pulling her towards the car. He eventually slaps her several times in the head and she looks at my friend and I and asks for help. We didn't reply to her or anything because it wasn't our business. My friend read the paper and showed me that the women who needed our help was killed by her husband. The very same man who was slapping her and pulling her outside the restaurant.

you should of at least taken down the plate number and reported it to the police.

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Originally posted by igottaknow i don't thing you can chalk it up to being just selfish. when something like this happens our survival instincts take over. you don't see antelope gunning back to help the one who's been caught by the lion.

No that's true. And I do agree that most people would freeze. But I also believe that the other percent of people who COULD help, wouldn't, because of their own selfish reasons.

I'm sure suspicion vandit was just fucking around with his post...but i don't think it's that far off from how a lot of people think, especially in North America.

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Originally posted by jennypie No that's true. And I do agree that most people would freeze. But I also believe that the other percent of people who COULD help, wouldn't, because of their own selfish reasons.

i agree. many people have the mentality "someone else will help so no need for me to bother" when in reality no one is going to act.

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I'm sure suspicion vandit was just fucking around with his post...but i don't think it's that far off from how a lot of people think, especially in North America.

its not so much how they think but it is a fact that the things he said can and do happen

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Originally posted by igottaknow i don't thing you can chalk it up to being just selfish. when something like this happens our survival instincts take over. you don't see antelope gunning back to help the one who's been caught by the lion.

Last time I checked I wasn't an animal

We may have "animal instincts" as humans but part of being a human is sometimes putting those instincts aside to help each other. Not intervening in such a situation is either because you are a)scared (understandable if you're an old lady and inept to help the situation) or b)selfish (you just don't feel like getting involved)

And I highly doubt someone would ever be prosecuted for harming the attacker...what judge/jury would convict you of such an act? Sure, if you go ballistic and beat him to a pulp after the victim has already been freed you deserve it but otherwise as long as you only use enough force to get him off the guy then I don't see it being a crime.

Well it's not like North Americans have proven themselves to be capable enough critical thinkers to really know how to act in such situations anyways...so I guess it's not THAT surprising.

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Originally posted by tranceDJ Last time I checked I wasn't an animal

Yes, you scientifically are an animal.

It be interesting to hear from someone taking Criminal Psychology. Our personal feelings are more to do with how we'd wish ppl to act rather than how they would.

Poor man . I think I'm more disgusted at the fact that there were by-standers who did noting when they could have, then the man who did the damage. Well not exactly, but I'm still really disgusted at them as well.

I've broken up fights before, not MAJOR fights, but big enough where knives and guns could have been involved so I would have def. stepped in. Nothing I hate more than a deffensless person getting attacked.

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Originally posted by jennypie I'm sure suspicion vandit was just fucking around with his post...but i don't think it's that far off from how a lot of people think, especially in North America.

yes, that's the reality in america. i've seen so many news stories on these things

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Originally posted by Demoted Yes, you scientifically are an animal.

Yes, technically I am an animal. Yes, I know there is very little difference between my DNA and a monkey's DNA, etc. However I would like to think of myself as "above-animal intelligence."

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Originally posted by jennypie Well it's not like North Americans have proven themselves to be capable enough critical thinkers to really know how to act in such situations anyways...so I guess it's not THAT surprising.

unfortunately.

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Originally posted by jennypie especially in North America.

ok let's not get all ignorant here lol

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Originally posted by tranceDJ Yes, technically I am an animal. Yes, I know there is very little difference between my DNA and a monkey's DNA, etc. However I would like to think of myself as "above-animal intelligence."

Marginally in the consciousness and humor sense, but overall, not that far above.

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