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my comment stands, why do most kids choose hip hop, because its "cool" and at that age they want to climb the social ladder and get under the impression (and most often do) achieve this by doing it. i mean, to use a bad phrase, but what losers listen to trance at school?! most kids are black wannabes these days btw, maybe it different for you over there. but here people change the way they are to act like a thug or similar type character, use the ebonic slang etc. ever heard a Geordie say "what up?". maybe over there its different because youve grown up with it, but over here its a black persons image being oponed after by a white culture, (similar to the grunge image of nu metal that had already gripped this country) and maybe you understand what i mean that way? even over here trance is jack compared to the teenager acceptable genre's of hip hop and nu metal. theyre commercial money spinning monsters and every little bit of it is imported and not within the lifestyle or character of 99.9% of its listeners...

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper You're right on that one.Too bad that people have to slam a whole genre,simply because they've heard some of it that's bad.

i never hated neither hip hop or nu metal until they became hyper popular among kids, and the music is thrown in my face every day...

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my comment stands, why do most kids choose hip hop, because its "cool" and at that age they want to climb the social ladder and get under the impression (and most often do) achieve this by doing it. i mean, to use a bad phrase, but what losers listen to trance at school?! most kids are black wannabes these days btw, maybe it different for you over there. but here people change the way they are to act like a thug or similar type character, use the ebonic slang etc. ever heard a Geordie say "what up?". maybe over there its different because youve grown up with it, but over here its a black persons image being oponed after by a white culture, (similar to the grunge image of nu metal that had already gripped this country) and maybe you understand what i mean that way? even over here trance is jack compared to the teenager acceptable genre's of hip hop and nu metal. theyre commercial money spinning monsters and every little bit of it is imported and not within the lifestyle or character of 99.9% of its listeners...

Ok, Yea, there are kids who take act in trying to be "thuggish" i wouldn't say "black" because in america we've broken the barrier long time ago... for instance back in da day if a white kid were to be act'n "black" they would be called "wiggers" , well that is no more. So here where i am, we've broken that barrier far long ago. And i personally used to be a hiphop fan when i was younger and alot of my friends did too, and we did not act "thuggish" in anyway. Yea, the slang was tehre, but you telling me only hiphop listeners use that type of ebonics??? hell no, almost everyone in the U.S uses it to a certain point, and if you say "what up dawg" , that is not considered "being black" here. And like i said most majority of people who like hiphop that i know ilke the music for teh music and its certain qualities. Most people like hiphop because of taht reason, believe me, not because of just teh "cool" thing that you are talking about. The reason most anti-hiphop ppl see it taht way is because thats(thuggish) what sticks out the most. Do you really think a normal average dressing kid who listens to hiphop will stand out and be a social matter of discussion??? NO WAY, only the ones who look "thuggish" will be talked about. That is why most people who are anti-hiphop think that way.

I gaurantee you there are thousands of ppl that listen to trance juss because its the best to listen to when you are on a mind altering drug... and thousands of kids that like trance cuz of the "rave" scene or what ever you wanna call it.
And i will bet you that most anti-trance fans, have the same mentality as you did to think of trance fans the same way, by taking the most negative which is the most noticable aspect of trance to judge us... Which is just fuck'n gay, so all im saying is... maybe like the other guy said, try to understand other music lil more b4 u judge not only hte music but teh fans of the music especially....

Didnt mean to sound harsh in anyway... juss trying to let u knwo what i see in mah own eyes.

P L U R

... and you people get all mad when people slam trance, calling it gino beats, and alice deejay and darude and atb etc, and you say "why don't these people get educated in REAL trance"

you guys just did the same to hiphop.

i grew out of the "i only like this genre, it is so much better than all the others" phase of my life. music is music. i'll listen to whatever's music to MY ears.

As for the culture, I've seen many wannabe ravers around here too. wearing their bright coloured oversized pants, and waving their glowsticks around to sandstorm. is that trance culture? no...

respect.

Why hip hop? Here's why. I have listened to rap since all the b-boys left the breakdancing scene around 1985 and have written, mixed, and recorded hip hop long before I found trance. I liken rap to trance in: 1. rap was, at one time, not mainstream and therefore not trendy. Until about the early 90s, rap was still placed with either rock, R&B, or soul in record stores; up till now all I see is trance in the "dance" section with house- 2. I can't think of another genre that can beatmatch like trance & rap can. I used to mix about 7 or 8 rap tracks together easily since 1990. If you told me there would be another kind of music that you can match beats as easily, I would have really thought you were on some type of club drug. I thought vinyl was completely worthless except for rap till trance came around. 3. the collaberation (sp?)of artists on on track or song. You have remixes and VS and guest stars and whatnot on both rap & trance. Ferry Corsten's mix of Push, Redman feat Method Man, etc etc.

I don't listen to hip hop like I used to but I will still bust out old favorites like BDP/KRS-One, Rakim, and Public Enemy. Throw them on the turntable and scratch, what have you. You can say rap sounds the same, but where would rock be without a guitar, or jazz without the horns, you get the idea. Like goa and progressive, there are different types of rap. Good east coast rap, and shitty rap from the south (bling bling) that has polluted the industry. Even rap from the east coast pretty much sucks ass and I refuse to listen to it. I hope trance does not become commercialized like the hip hop genre has in the US.

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Originallly posted by quaddha ... and you people get all mad when people slam trance, calling it gino beats, and alice deejay and darude and atb etc, and you say "why don't these people get educated in REAL trance" you guys just did the same to hiphop.

My point EXACTLY!

I'll agree that it is pretty pathetic to act "thuggish" when you've obviously got no reason what so ever to do it.That is something that belongs to the black culture IMHO.BUT:The fact that some white people try to imitate that culture,doens't automatically mean that the whole spectrum of hiphop sucks!!I think you'd better clarify here.Is it the music or the way white people try to adapt to the culture you don't like?That's two different issues!I think we need to set the record straight on what we're debating here!

Hahah.. i get figure out why you are even debating this..

This may go off wrong, but arent most of the people posting on this topic not american? I can understand why you dont like rap, u dont listen to lyrics and understand them like others. Maybe you cant relate to watching your back while u check the mail, or hearing of friends shot dead. Or maybe u dont smoke weed all day and chill out like we do in the dirty south. Its a different kind of music where the artist is usually trying to get a message across. Listen to songs by outkast, dmx, lyrical geniouses like mos def and nas and jayz. Some songs, like most P-diddy songs are trash and are "commercial" most rappers like JayD and puff are businessman first rappers 2nd.

I invite anyone on this board to come to jville and attend a Trick daddy concert with me and see what its all about. U wont feel out of place at all... ahah yea right

i've been listening to rap since Bobby Brown's first album, so i know my shit. But i've been listenin to electronic music for a good 6 years now.

Edit: heres some songs..
1. Dungeon Family - TransDF express (guess what they are talkin about)
2. 2pac - wonder why they call u bitch (positive message)
3. any mos def song
4. meth and redman - darockwilder (killer beat)
5. Strafe - Set it off (i love dancing to this song)

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Originally posted by Vinylgroovah Ok, Yea, there are kids who take act in trying to be "thuggish" i wouldn't say "black" because in america we've broken the barrier long time ago... for instance back in da day if a white kid were to be act'n "black" they would be called "wiggers" , well that is no more. So here where i am, we've broken that barrier far long ago. And i personally used to be a hiphop fan when i was younger and alot of my friends did too, and we did not act "thuggish" in anyway. Yea, the slang was tehre, but you telling me only hiphop listeners use that type of ebonics??? hell no, almost everyone in the U.S uses it to a certain point, and if you say "what up dawg" , that is not considered "being black" here. And like i said most majority of people who like hiphop that i know ilke the music for teh music and its certain qualities. Most people like hiphop because of taht reason, believe me, not because of just teh "cool" thing that you are talking about. The reason most anti-hiphop ppl see it taht way is because thats(thuggish) what sticks out the most. Do you really think a normal average dressing kid who listens to hiphop will stand out and be a social matter of discussion??? NO WAY, only the ones who look "thuggish" will be talked about. That is why most people who are anti-hiphop think that way. I gaurantee you there are thousands of ppl that listen to trance juss because its the best to listen to when you are on a mind altering drug... and thousands of kids that like trance cuz of the "rave" scene or what ever you wanna call it. And i will bet you that most anti-trance fans, have the same mentality as you did to think of trance fans the same way, by taking the most negative which is the most noticable aspect of trance to judge us... Which is just fuck'n gay, so all im saying is... maybe like the other guy said, try to understand other music lil more b4 u judge not only hte music but teh fans of the music especially.... Didnt mean to sound harsh in anyway... juss trying to let u knwo what i see in mah own eyes. P L U R

yeh but you didnt take note i was talking about the UK, where i lived not the states...

and as sand leaper said what exactly the hell is the main point we're trying to discuss here?

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle Come on guys, give me a break. All of your are saying the EXACT same things that people who don't like trance say to you!. sone guy said rap is too repetive, what the hell do you think trance is? if anything, trance is more repetitive than rap! Don't get me wrong, I don't like rap/hip hop at all but that's solely because i just don't feel an affinity towards it. I like Rock and trance music just because for some reason I can connect with the music. I can't do that with rap music. don't go around being big hypocrites alright?

About that repetive thing, trance wouldn't be called trance if the drums and the bass weren't repetive, like the indians danced to monotone drums all night long to get their minds into trance that's a fact!

sorry for my bad english

what bad english? hehe
Dungeon Family - TransDF Express and Meth R-Man - Da rockwilder is sweet..

everybody is making excellent points but can somebody explain why kids are wearing baggy ass pants and speak in ebonics and try to use the F word every chance they get. i like rap alot but u dont see me sayin whats the dilly yo and f this and f that and i am 20. why kids go on talking like that ? does it make em tough ? nobody is yet to answer that question all the point we got across is hip hip is similar to trance gr8. now can someone explain why kids are so affected by it. i am ahuge trance fan but u dont see me sticking a glow stick up my ass everyday hehehe.

laterz....

Maybe they are wannabee's I don't know, just some trend going on because of the hip hop music. Why many kids listens to hip hop? I would say it's because hip hop music is so god d*mn commercial I could puke on it Everywhere I go (at least here in Sweden) I see hip hop kiddies and hip hop music is playing on 24/7 on the radio and the tv, people doesn't say 'hi' no more, they say like 'Yo Mothafukka wazzap in tha hooooood?' or something like that. I mean in the beginning i thought it was ok, when the music wasn't that mainstream, but now....well what can i say?
That's just what i think of the hip hop music nowadays

Cheerz! /DJ_A

I think they're trying to adapt to the black ghetto culture,since they think that this is a necessity if you're like a TRUE hiphop fan.Which of course is total BS,and makes them look utterly pathetic when they try to copy the US-ghetto style.

well

Well at least in my town which is back over in houston...rap is seen as a necessity to be coool....hell if u jam out to rap..u get tha "hoes" ..if u jam out to techno...U get "hosed".....its sad here over in houston...dats why i went over here to college station where techno and country musik are the two primary sounds...although i throw up at hearing country musik.

trance really that big at A&M? i fear applying there because of the "kickers" country music the devils music! hehe. oh yea and hip hop and rap isnt that bad, its the heavy gangsta shit thats pathetic and lowers ur IQ just listening to it. people who "freestyle" to a beat or whatever are awesome. true tallent there. and i enjoy the music part better then the lryics. although some are pretty funny

kool

yeah ..me and my buddy izzy who is also a member on this board are ganna help with a electronic musik festival on april 27th. He is in charge of it...

GOD DAMN! I stop osting overnight and already this thread has turned back into bashing a genre instead of actuallt talking about the topic!

Look: I listen to hiphop. I listen to trance. I listen to rock. I listen to pretty much everything other than country, which I USED to listen to.

When I listened to country, I didn't want to be a redneck. When I listen to rock, I don't want to be a freak, when I listen to trance, I don't want to take X. AND WHEN I LISTEN TO RAP, I DON'T WANT TO BE A THUG!

All of you who have said that hiphop is popular because all the "cool" kids listen to it are jaded, and extremely so.

mmmmkay, so alot of the black people have baggy pants and smoke weed. so? Alot of Trancers have blue hair and do X. so? IT IS THE GOD DAMN CULTURE!

And stop saying white and black people in relation to hiphop. You know Def Jam records? first major hiphop label? helped startoff Sugar Hill Gang and Beistie Boys? Yeah, 2 people started it. One was Rick Rueben. The guy looks like Rob Zombie. big white guy. Stop with the racial stereotyping. It does nothing but make you look stupid.

Another thing alot of you have said is that hiphop is great for the younger kids. That is also bullshit. You think these little kids start record companyies? ummm...no. When you are little you can't understand the culture, you might like the beat. When you get older is when you can actually appreciate the genre.


All of you who flame on hiphop, IN ANY WAY need to get educated first. I think that as long as you people who are dissing the genre have no knowlage of it, it is no better than the racism of the slavery days or the Native American days. You are still shitting on a culture you have no knowlage of. There is no difference. It is people like you who are holding the world of music from what is can truely acheive. May you one day have your eyes open.

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Originally posted by Damo listen, "underground" rap is the biggest load of BS. every underground rapper's goal is to make it in the big times and make money off their music. I remember a few years ago Rass Kass was big on the "underground" scene and "underground" people thought they were cool if they listened to them , i turn on muchmusic one night out of sheer stupidity and what do you know.... a Rass Kass video with them rapping about how hardcore they are. if a rappers underground, it's because he's not good enough (at whatever) to sell records. would you not admit that raps main theme is being more hardcore then your counterpart? list me all the rappers you like and I'll find dozens of songs with lyrics that state exactly that. it's basic human nature, and it is in it's most basic form; some loud mouthed jackass using a mix of hyperbole and delusion to mark their territory, so to speak. musically, I just don't see the appeal. i mean, if i bang a congo drum and clash a fork against a cheese grater a few times I could come up with the hook behind a common rap song. it seems like the message and lifestyle is the biggest appeal. that's why you have so many wiggers. they're insecure middle class sheep waiting to be herded by the latest trend; rap. don't label rationilizing rap music to yourself and your insecurities as making "valid" points above naysayers, you're entitled to your opinion but don't act like people who chose not to like rap are close minded or racist because they don't listen to music that's on a simian level of conciousness (in my opinion). p.s. Spyke, educate me, please.

OK, I don't think you are close minded because you don't like rap, I think you are close minded because if someone else does you immediatly label them a "wigger", and "middle class sheep".

Guess what, fuck you. I love rap, and you insulted me 10 times over with your post. From what you said in that, you cannot be educated because your mind would not be able to comprehend the elements of hiphop.

Think of the elements of trance...the chord progression, the fading and backgrounds, all of that and much more.

Now take all of that and add poetry to it and you have hiphop. It's more complex than you could know.

And the underground of hiphop is excatly like the underground of Trance. I will quote Copywrite (aWHITE rapper(wow!))
"I don't wanna be mainstream, I wanna piss in it/"

hmmmmm...doesn't sound to me like he wants on Billboard....

You say what you see from the outside. Look at my last post and you'll see what I think about your veiws.

Shove your conga drums and forks up your ass and see how much noise they make. You have succeeded in insulting an entire culture in 4 simple paragraphs.

Go get some knowlage, then talk to me like a halfway intelligent person would.

i can see this thread getting closed down....

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR because its cheesy "cool persons" music, most peopel are wannabe blacks these days because theyre "cool" so they play all their type of music. btw im not a racist you will find its a very realistic view on the popular youth culture of now

Even thought that statement is pretty harsh, I do agree with you.

Everybody wants to be a "badass thug" these days, like all the rap/hip hop stars act.

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Originally posted by SpykeChyld Think of the elements of trance...the chord progression, the fading and backgrounds, all of that and much more. Now take all of that and add poetry to it and you have hiphop. It's more complex than you could know.

Ok, I think something needs to be explained to you. Rap/hip hop have no similar elements to trance when it comes to the music sound itself, except for the fact that they use basslines, and percussion instruments. The difference, is that trance, progressive, have a much more complex and thought-out arrangement. And as for poetry...LOL, don't even compare rap lyrics to poetry. Just cause those 'thugs to the core' come up with some cheap rhymes, it doesn't classify as poetry. Have you ever studied poetry in school? Rhyming doesn't make poetry, but the use of the words, the use of different imagery styles. Calling rap poetry is someone's cheap excuse at trying to justify it's importance (or lack thereof).

^^^Thank you so much for the though provoking input, lol.

I can see me pissing people off here.

And I'm sorry if I came off strong in my last post, but the one I replied to really pissed me off. I'll chill, lol.

If you actually want to expand your horizons past the small world of Trance, and learn about other cultures, hit me up. Maybe we could share some info on our respective musical likes.

I really don't expect many TA's to take me up on this offer, but my AIM name is "SpykeChyld", just in case you guys want to suprise me, lol.

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Originally posted by SpykeChyld ^^^Thank you so much for the though provoking input, lol. I can see me pissing people off here. And I'm sorry if I came off strong in my last post, but the one I replied to really pissed me off. I'll chill, lol. If you actually want to expand your horizons past the small world of Trance, and learn about other cultures, hit me up. Maybe we could share some info on our respective musical likes. I really don't expect many TA's to take me up on this offer, but my AIM name is "SpykeChyld", just in case you guys want to suprise me, lol.

Well, most of my friends listen to rap, and they claim its underground...they hate people like Jay-Z and the rest of his 'thugged-out' crew, and listen to "underground" stuff or, real rap. I can't give you any names, cause I don't listen to it too much, but I listen to enough of it, and argue with them enough, about how I think rap doesn't deserve even half the popularity it has.

And I'm personally happy with my music horizons right now Some rock, different styles of electronic music and classical. I don't need to expand anymore, I think.

^^^OK, maybe something needs to be explained to YOU.

Yes, I've studied poetry. I've been in advanced placement english and poetic writing courses for 5 years now. I've done whole semesters on poetic anylization. And I write hiphop. So when I say hiphop is like poetry, there is a pretty god damn good chance I know what I'm talking about.

Ever heard some good thought provoking rhymes? obviously not.

Ever hear Rass Kass - The Nature Of The Threat? (racist against whites, but Rass has always been so. Nevertheless, still a good song.)

When I'm done with my next single "What is an MC", I'll let you hear it, THAT is hiphop.

These "thugs" you speak of comprise only a fraction of the culture.

What about the other, larger part that no one knows about, or cares about?

well i certainly cant read and/or cover all the points made here, but...

it seems that some people are confusing liking a style of music, and possibly associating with it(hip hop=baggy clothes/lingo) as just terrible...well that makes us terrible for liking trance and possibly dressing some way because of it.

it also seems that people want to make a big racial issue out of this, which i wont even touch cause most of us prolly cant actually see both sides of this story.

it also seems that peeps are saying: 'hip hop is that shit that all sounds the same on MTV!! it sucks!' listen to that, you are criticizing POP music for sounding the same...this is the same with trance! to every Darude/P. Diddy theres a Sasha/Mos Def.

i dunno what to say beyond that. i love hip hop just as much as i love trance or rock. basically i just LOVE music, and it doesnt matter- as long as i can see how its relevant or important to the time/person/etc. shure, some music sucks - obviously. but dont judge the entire class by that one stand out kid thats stupid but does entertaining things...or just smoke some hooner and get the fuck over it, there is more important things to worry bout/

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