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Posted by CranberryJuice on Jun-01-2007 14:25:

a couple im very friend with gonna have a baby in a couple of months ,and do plan to get married soon afterwards

they fit very well together and are already living and are engaged to each other , i guess getting married wont change anything to them just for the taxes and a new name for my friend

but i think like some of u said , when people are feeling good together getting married is like the last step in the committement scale ....a really beautiful thing to me

i do plan to get married in few years.....


Posted by Slylee on Jun-01-2007 14:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Ygrene
...,got to do with it
What's love but a second hand emotion

EDIT:

I WIN THIS ROUND JAMIE!!!


lol


Posted by Moral Hazard on Jun-01-2007 14:52:

I think individualism is the root cause of much of the divorce we see today. Too many people believe that their wants and needs are all that is important or at best they are of paramount importance thus they give too little consideration to their partner or the family unit. This leads to people acting in their own interest, which often conflicts with their partners... if both are acting for their own interests then when they conflict the marriage will be dissolved.

Nietzsche stated "the will to marriage is the will of two creators to create something greater then those who created it, and in doing so go under." (thus spoke zarathustra part II). What he's stating here is that marriage is and must be a choice by the two individuals to create a new entity that is greater then each of the individuals... this new entity is the couple. In forming the couple the two individuals must give up their individual will in favour of the couple's will. I agree with this completely. Once married, individuals need to give greater consideration to what is in the best interest of the combined couple then what is in the best interest of each of the individuals. If each person always acts in the best interest of the couple then the marriage will be a success and both partners will share in that success and happyness. As soon as one of the partners puts their will above the best interest of the couple then the marriage suffers.


Posted by dj tek on Jun-01-2007 14:55:

Re: Getting married

quote:
Originally posted by Lira


My relationship with my girlfriend's come to a point where it feels we're going to get married any time soon.

grammatical error lira, the word 'not' should be in between 'we're' & 'going' to make sense.



ive been with my current gf for 6yrs, neither of us are really thinkin of marriage.




Posted by igottaknow on Jun-01-2007 14:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
thx dr phil


Posted by VAR on Jun-01-2007 15:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I think individualism is the root cause of much of the divorce we see today. Too many people believe that their wants and needs are all that is important or at best they are of paramount importance thus they give too little consideration to their partner or the family unit. This leads to people acting in their own interest, which often conflicts with their partners... if both are acting for their own interests then when they conflict the marriage will be dissolved.

Nietzsche stated "the will to marriage is the will of two creators to create something greater then those who created it, and in doing so go under." (thus spoke zarathustra part II). What he's stating here is that marriage is and must be a choice by the two individuals to create a new entity that is greater then each of the individuals... this new entity is the couple. In forming the couple the two individuals must give up their individual will in favour of the couple's will. I agree with this completely. Once married, individuals need to give greater consideration to what is in the best interest of the combined couple then what is in the best interest of each of the individuals. If each person always acts in the best interest of the couple then the marriage will be a success and both partners will share in that success and happyness. As soon as one of the partners puts their will above the best interest of the couple then the marriage suffers.



very well said.



i've been married and divorced, now live with my girlfriend of the past couple years.
i recommend living together for awhile and see how it evolves.


Posted by Slylee on Jun-01-2007 15:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I think individualism is the root cause of much of the divorce we see today. Too many people believe that their wants and needs are all that is important or at best they are of paramount importance thus they give too little consideration to their partner or the family unit. This leads to people acting in their own interest, which often conflicts with their partners... if both are acting for their own interests then when they conflict the marriage will be dissolved.

Nietzsche stated "the will to marriage is the will of two creators to create something greater then those who created it, and in doing so go under." (thus spoke zarathustra part II). What he's stating here is that marriage is and must be a choice by the two individuals to create a new entity that is greater then each of the individuals... this new entity is the couple. In forming the couple the two individuals must give up their individual will in favour of the couple's will. I agree with this completely. Once married, individuals need to give greater consideration to what is in the best interest of the combined couple then what is in the best interest of each of the individuals. If each person always acts in the best interest of the couple then the marriage will be a success and both partners will share in that success and happyness. As soon as one of the partners puts their will above the best interest of the couple then the marriage suffers.



See? I knew it. I AM a good girlfriend.

I am all about putting my partner and �us� first before my own selfish needs. I�m probably the most selfless person when I�m in love.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Jun-01-2007 15:06:

quote:
Originally posted by igottaknow
thx dr phil


nigga please... that idiot wouldn't, nay couldn't, be quite so elequent or relevent... and certainly he couldn't possibly understand Nietzsche. If it were Dr. Phil talking he would have said something more like this.....

"Ya'll can't be behaving like you're single. Ya can't win a tug of war if everybody on the team is pulling the rope in different directions. Fruit salad ain't a salad unless it's all in one cup, the way ya'll are acting yer just peachs and pineapples in different bowls."


Posted by Silky Johnson on Jun-01-2007 15:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard


"Ya'll can't be behaving like you're single. Ya can't win a tug of war if everybody on the team is pulling the rope in different directions. Fruit salad ain't a salad unless it's all in one cup, the way ya'll are acting yer just peachs and pineapples in different bowls."




LMFAO!


Posted by Slylee on Jun-01-2007 15:08:

yea but a majority of society is on that level, so dr. phil is actually a genius for knowing how to talk their language, and still get his point across.


Posted by VAR on Jun-01-2007 15:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
yea but a majority of society is on that level, so dr. phil is actually a genius for knowing how to talk their language, and still get his point across.



hold all your bingo cards, we have a winner!


Posted by Moral Hazard on Jun-01-2007 15:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
yea but a majority of society is on that level, so dr. phil is actually a genius for knowing how to talk their language, and still get his point across.


Indeed, that is the key to his success. Playing to the lowest common denominator always gets you the largest following.


Posted by igottaknow on Jun-01-2007 15:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Indeed, that is the key to his success. Playing to the lowest common denominator always gets you the largest following.

for a second there i thought you were talking about george bush


Posted by Moral Hazard on Jun-01-2007 15:31:

quote:
Originally posted by igottaknow
for a second there i thought you were talking about george bush


He works on the very same principle.


Posted by Ivand on Jun-01-2007 15:38:

marriage isnt worth it, imo


Posted by Fast Turtle on Jun-01-2007 15:40:

I don't think it makes a difference whether you get married or not, in the long run..


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-01-2007 15:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I think individualism is the root cause of much of the divorce we see today. Too many people believe that their wants and needs are all that is important or at best they are of paramount importance thus they give too little consideration to their partner or the family unit. This leads to people acting in their own interest, which often conflicts with their partners... if both are acting for their own interests then when they conflict the marriage will be dissolved.

Nietzsche stated "the will to marriage is the will of two creators to create something greater then those who created it, and in doing so go under." (thus spoke zarathustra part II). What he's stating here is that marriage is and must be a choice by the two individuals to create a new entity that is greater then each of the individuals... this new entity is the couple. In forming the couple the two individuals must give up their individual will in favour of the couple's will. I agree with this completely. Once married, individuals need to give greater consideration to what is in the best interest of the combined couple then what is in the best interest of each of the individuals. If each person always acts in the best interest of the couple then the marriage will be a success and both partners will share in that success and happyness. As soon as one of the partners puts their will above the best interest of the couple then the marriage suffers.

although it is still very important to have your time away from each other too. ie have your own groups of friends and doing things with them without your so.

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
nigga please... that idiot wouldn't, nay couldn't, be quite so elequent or relevent... and certainly he couldn't possibly understand Nietzsche. If it were Dr. Phil talking he would have said something more like this.....

"Ya'll can't be behaving like you're single. Ya can't win a tug of war if everybody on the team is pulling the rope in different directions. Fruit salad ain't a salad unless it's all in one cup, the way ya'll are acting yer just peachs and pineapples in different bowls."

ROFL

and mr hazard its ELOQUENT not ELEQUENT.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Jun-01-2007 15:54:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
ROFL

and mr hazard its ELOQUENT not ELEQUENT.


We all know I fail at spelling


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-01-2007 16:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
We all know I fail at spelling

hehe yeah.


Posted by Miss Julia on Jun-01-2007 16:08:

Re: Getting married

quote:
Originally posted by Lira

I do like my girlfriend a lot


What do you mean "like"? You're supposed to love her and not be ashamed to admit it if you're even thinking of getting married.

quote:
Originally posted by Lira

I'm probably going to live in Japan for a year in September


You're definetely NOT ready to get married.


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Jun-01-2007 16:10:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
although it is still very important to have your time away from each other too. ie have your own groups of friends and doing things with them without your so.


ROFL

and mr hazard its ELOQUENT not ELEQUENT.


yes its very important, but when u do that, one of u will always get jealous eventually and all hell breaks loose...this marriage thing just doesn't work anymore these days. Its bad enough having a girlfriend/boyfriend living with u, and not having a legal agreement where u can walk away easily


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-01-2007 16:38:

quote:
Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
yes its very important, but when u do that, one of u will always get jealous eventually and all hell breaks loose...this marriage thing just doesn't work anymore these days. Its bad enough having a girlfriend/boyfriend living with u, and not having a legal agreement where u can walk away easily

not true. if they are spending a healthy amount of time with their so/fiancee/wife then it will not be a problem. also if it is a healthy marriage it wont be a problem as they talk to each other and also let each other know what is bothering them. if your getting jealous then there is a communication problem. and we all know communication is key to a healthy marriage.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Jun-01-2007 16:52:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
not true. if they are spending a healthy amount of time with their so/fiancee/wife then it will not be a problem. also if it is a healthy marriage it wont be a problem as they talk to each other and also let each other know what is bothering them. if your getting jealous then there is a communication problem. and we all know communication is key to a healthy marriage.


I have to agree... Mrs. Hazard and I spend a respectable amount of time apart from each other. This is a good thing, as it affords us much in the way of conversation material. The key is to ensure neither party feels as though they are receiving insufficient attention from the other. As long as both persons want time apart and the time apart does not overshadow the time together then all will be well.


Posted by Slylee on Jun-01-2007 17:00:

it depends on the people i think, but yea having time apart and separate hobbies is a pretty good thing. my last relationship was like that. it ended for other reasons, but as far as the topic being discussed here, i had no problem going out with my group of friends while he went out with his group of friends and i honestly wouldn't give him a thought the entire night. i actually went out and was able to have fun and do my own thing because i completely trusted him and knew he was behaving, as was i. i think when couples can't do that, it's because of trust issues.

but we were also perfectly content spending an entire weekend together attached at the hip without ever bickering or arguing. my partner has to be my best friend before anything. i never understood couples, or actually men who insist on keeping their wife or girlfriend separate from their other life or separate from their friends. it's like, why are u guys together and spening your life together if u can't even have the same crew of friends or the same interests, etc...?

it's healthy to have girls and guys night out or even separate vacations and stuff, but there should be a happy medium.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-01-2007 17:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I have to agree... Mrs. Hazard and I spend a respectable amount of time apart from each other. This is a good thing, as it affords us much in the way of conversation material. The key is to ensure neither party feels as though they are receiving insufficient attention from the other. As long as both persons want time apart and the time apart does not overshadow the time together then all will be well.

exactly my point.

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
it depends on the people i think, but yea having time apart and separate hobbies is a pretty good thing. my last relationship was like that. it ended for other reasons, but as far as the topic being discussed here, i had no problem going out with my group of friends while he went out with his group of friends and i honestly wouldn't give him a thought the entire night. i actually went out and was able to have fun and do my own thing because i completely trusted him and knew he was behaving, as was i. i think when couples can't do that, it's because of trust issues.

but we were also perfectly content spending an entire weekend together attached at the hip without ever bickering or arguing. my partner has to be my best friend before anything. i never understood couples, or actually men who insist on keeping their wife or girlfriend separate from their other life or separate from their friends. it's like, why are u guys together and spening your life together if u can't even have the same crew of friends or the same interests, etc...?

it's healthy to have girls and guys night out or even separate vacations and stuff, but there should be a happy medium.

yeah trust is a HUGE thing in a relationship. once lost it will never be the same and more often than not that trust issue breaks up the relationship/engagement/marriage. trust is another key to a healthy marriage. without it you have nothing but fear and that causes all sorts of problems.


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