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Originally posted by all-nite-freak greg no offense, but he does this using decks and you do it using ableton studio mode. I loved the last mix you did alot, but if it would have been live shit i'm sure there would have been some detractors too. You had a million opportunities to fix up your mix..he had just one. It makes a huge difference you know. (and im not taking anything away from your mix as good beats is good beeats...just yeah it all seems a little hypocritical)

this isn't a mix comparison thread.

I see what you're saying but I think it's pretty irrelevant- my comments have nothing to do with the actual mixing of the set, just the set as a whole and how it isn't quite working for me.

plus my suggestions are for him- if someone were to offer me the same suggestion, id definitely listen to them everyone is going to do their own thing... this is why personal feedback is so important, because we're all at different stages, doing different things.

look i don't want you to get offended greg...and all critiques are good, but i got personally offended a bit because i dont think you could do something this good with vinyl or cdj...prove me wrong Re-read your comments, you come off like some guy who has been in the business for 18 years, yet that is your age. You made some really good points dude but yeah, quit trying so hard

and dude this is just an opinion..not a personal attack..as you know i try and support you even on boards where you don't speak the language.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak look i don't want you to get offended greg...and all critiques are good, but i got personally offended a bit because i dont think you could do something this good with vinyl or cdj...prove me wrong Re-read your comments, you come off like some guy who has been in the business for 18 years, yet that is your age. You made some really good points dude but yeah, quit trying so hard and dude this is just an opinion..not a personal attach..as you know i try and support you even on boards where you don't speak the language.

i know what you mean.. and of course i dont take this as a personal attack, you and i are gonna discuss shit regardless... i dont take any of it personally and read it all carefully.

if anything my attitude is a reflection of the threadstarters... just read the opening blurb.

as for me and my shit, we can talk about that in my mix thread- no point in talking about it in here.

i think i'm just grumpy because i did Calderone without any "help" from substances, feel older than jesus and wanna pick on the youngins. Then again i really enjoyed this alot and feel like defending it because there are no bash robbiej and his horrible taste in music on mtlta opportunities today

you know i had nothing negative to say about your set as it was quite perfect.I've been killing myself practicing with my cdj's to get my mixing where i want it to be yet can't get a comment on that..only that it seemed empty

@allied - it's not like i had post it notes all over my walls and crazy arrows drawn from track to track john nash style when i say i went through many changes in the TL

i meant that i kept getting new music and delaying the mix because i wanted to include new tracks. i think about my tls, but it's more of an intuition than anything

in the end it was rather spontaneous, like any act of creativity. actually though I think in general people should do more thinking about everything they do. I hate that sense of "it's not cool if you think too much" that pervades any 'hip' culture. People like to say this to others in order to make themselves feel 'hipper' and self righteous. IMO that should have been left behind in high school. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but I've experienced that my entire life from people and i just don't agree. I'm fully intent on being myself and making mixes the way I make them.

btw tried downloading your mix last week but it said the zip was corrupted. i'll try again soon

after all the typing i did today if i dont get a review (even if bad) from you i am going to make sure everyone thinks you play like dj sammy

it's coming i promise

the short is, it's hot, especially the first two tracks.

i gave it another listen on friday at work but got interrupted so i didn't get to write it. i will have time today

Have yet to listen to this.

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Originally posted by nefardec @allied - it's not like i had post it notes all over my walls and crazy arrows drawn from track to track john nash style when i say i went through many changes in the TL i meant that i kept getting new music and delaying the mix because i wanted to include new tracks. i think about my tls, but it's more of an intuition than anything in the end it was rather spontaneous, like any act of creativity. actually though I think in general people should do more thinking about everything they do. I hate that sense of "it's not cool if you think too much" that pervades any 'hip' culture. People like to say this to others in order to make themselves feel 'hipper' and self righteous. IMO that should have been left behind in high school. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but I've experienced that my entire life from people and i just don't agree. I'm fully intent on being myself and making mixes the way I make them. btw tried downloading your mix last week but it said the zip was corrupted. i'll try again soon

for the record, i think you have some talent and the ability to do some cool shit... if i didnt i wouldnt have wasted all that time arguing with that fucking monkey :P

the mix is a lot better than most of what i hear lately and really it's just a matter of time until you really are on some crazy crazy shit... i just want to hear it develop more. seems like you're doing what feels right, right now, which is far more important than thinking anything... just keep your head in check and you might turn out all right

ok pops lol

no seriously though i've been told that before mostly in the visual arts. it's something i do struggle with

bigger the head bigger the star lol

/entourage

im gonna upload my set onto a regular host for you now

Downloading! im at work now so ill give it a listen on the sony v700's

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Originally posted by Allied Nations bigger the head bigger the star lol /entourage im gonna upload my set onto a regular host for you now

you are so right about that...i found out tiesto's head is so big he needs a 20 gallon hat in texas

Very good mix... the mixing was just flawless, some of the transitions i couldnt even notice at all. 25 timer and the last song were my favs... keep up the good work!

Thanks, glad you liked it. Part of the reason you don't notice the transitions is there are nearly always 2 tracks playing.

Awesome set, introduced me to some great tracks I've now bought. Couldn't fault anything.

I guess I'll be the first to offer a less TA-esque opinion.

With all due respect for your musical preference and those who share it,...I have to admit that it left something to be desired...not because it was a poor representation of the kind of "music" that you LIKE, but because it fails to actually even qualify as beautiful music to me, unless, of course I tried to fool myself that if I were to enter into some "greater" and "deeper" mindframe I might be able to appreciate it's majestically subtle beauty. I guess we could try to sound really sophisticated here but maybe its time we get a little real with ourselves. The whole "music" structure itself just screams too much of the pseudo-elitest sound, replete with a random array of electronic noises that fail to really produce a flowing or purposeful harmony.

I also can't see how this could be hypnotic unless someone is under the influence of substances, otherwise it's just rather boring and needlessly repetitive. We obviously all have our opinions on what we find "hypnotic"...Personally my tastes call for a more heavy emphasis on melodic patterns in conjunction with danceable beats....not to be confused with shallow commercial productions.

"trance music" to me represents a concept of a style of music that is beautiful, danceable, euphoric and even emotional...and I find it rather disheartening to find so many former-trance fans eventually trying to pretend that they have achieved some higher level of musical appreciation by "progressing" into less and less musically recognizable productions.... I mean, how minimal and noisy and bereft of melody does music have to get before we can finally get over this foolish fear of being called a cheeshead?

With that said, I wish you all the very best in your pursuits and passions!

I think you might find it more useful to talk to the producers about that...

obviously different people have different concepts of beauty and musicality.

some people like thomas kinkade paintings. i like duchamp

you see it as chinscratching music, and i see it as dancing your ass off music.


in this situation you're like a big texan looking for a porterhouse in a raw organic vegan restaurant

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Originally posted by nefardec I think you might find it more useful to talk to the producers about that... obviously different people have different concepts of beauty and musicality. some people like thomas kinkade paintings. i like duchamp you see it as chinscratching music, and i see it as dancing your ass off music. in this situation you're like a big texan looking for a porterhouse in a raw organic vegan restaurant

Very ironic you should say that, considering that I am a vegan

As a side note, I did really try to like the set, and at moments I thought it might actually develop into something to my liking but apparently the magic eluded me. I'll give it a few more listens!

and i just finished eating a cheesesteak

i am a little confused by your actual criticism though

sounds like you're just against a new type of music that you can't get into

i absolutely love trance, just not saccharine trance with simplistic rhythms and obvious melodies/chord progressions. there is 'cheese' in every genre, where i think 'cheese' would be defined as something that sticks absurdly and unoriginally close to the guidlines of a specific 'genre' in order to gain popular appeal or easy understanding. i listened to this kind of thing at one point in my life because i knew nothing else. as i deejayed and lived more i started to develop different ideas about what is important to me, and this mix is the result of this process - it's where i'm at right now. i have mixes from two years ago that might be right up your alley.

no sweat if you didn't like it - i'm glad you gave it a listen

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Originally posted by nefardec and i just finished eating a cheesesteak i am a little confused by your actual criticism though sounds like you're just against a new type of music that you can't get into i absolutely love trance, just not saccharine trance with simplistic rhythms and obvious melodies/chord progressions. there is 'cheese' in every genre, where i think 'cheese' would be defined as something that sticks absurdly and unoriginally close to the guidlines of a specific 'genre' in order to gain popular appeal or easy understanding. i listened to this kind of thing at one point in my life because i knew nothing else. as i deejayed and lived more i started to develop different ideas about what is important to me, and this mix is the result of this process - it's where i'm at right now. i have mixes from two years ago that might be right up your alley. no sweat if you didn't like it - i'm glad you gave it a listen

My criticism is specifically targeted toward a growing movement in the EDM scene which pretentiously prides itself in being able to reach a higher level of musical consciousness beyond that of a regular listening individual. (Keeping in mind that I believe this is actually true to some extent. I find far too many people unable to appreciate more complex productions that I myself enjoy....my point addressing the excessive lengths of this concept, notwithstanding.

In other words, anything resembling a simple vocal, guitar or piano arragement would be considered "cheese" (a relative and broad word) because it is considered too "recognizable".

Ultra-elitism, which happens to be phony IMO, leads to an inordinate preoccupation with trying to be so out of touch with anything that may actually have a pleasurable "hook" or recognizable "tune" that it generally finds itself digressing into a pile of senseless noise which is then dubbed "intelligent music".

Obviously I'm not trying to say that the tracks in your set have gone exactly THAT far, but they are certainly heading in that direction. And believe it or not, I already went through my phase of this, until I found myself realizing how silly it actually was (I never did get to the point where I could really enjoy the more random stuff).

Interestingly enough, I just ended up going right back to the more simple, yet relatively "sophisticated" trance that I was listening to before and realized that it wasn't necessary for me to think of it as something I've "grown out of". I've been listening to electronic music and trance for quite sometime, hence I understand that there are many phases that an individual may experience during their musical journey.

But with that said, the entire topic about music is so subjective anyway that I try to avoid creating a senseless debate over it, nevertheless I thought I'd state my opinion.

It all has to do with what rocks your boat mate!

ok, well maybe you should have opened up a thread in MD about that then.

in any case i appreciate the bump

i hope you can see the nagging elitism in your own opinions though.


i'm just doing what i love.

this music is mostly about the sound, not the melody or harmony or something like that. if i want that I listen to debussy or miles davis. i pick tracks because to me the sounds are lush, hypnotic, and therapeutic. it's a very different kind of appreciation of music

It's all good! I didn't mean to rain on the parade and I'm sure there's plenty of consolation to be found in the more prominent praise for your set.

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this music is mostly about the sound, not the melody or harmony or something like that. if i want that I listen to debussy or miles davis. i pick tracks because to me the sounds are lush, hypnotic, and therapeutic. it's a very different kind of appreciation of music

Then that is probably why it isn't my cup of tea. ...I'm strictly into melodic music with a pattern...this is one of the main characteristics that brought me to love trance in the first place (such a contrast from so much rubbish out there)....if I want to hear noise I usually just mow my lawn.

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i'm just doing what i love.

And that is what's important!

this sort of talk deserves a thread in the MD...

agreed

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