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Originally posted by SuperJimbo Jeff, you were supposed to be banned from this thread. Next time I'm using a cage.

He's from Dundas. I'm from he's broken out from worst places

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I must admit I am curious about the fan that sits somewhere off the coast of Madagascar... http://www.myspace.com/seanmiller1

I believe that's Comoros or Reunion. One of those ex French island colonies

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Originally posted by jon jon how does having gigs and touring different cities prove that he has more attention outside of Toronto? all that proves to me is that he's touring, which is in fact contra to your argument, "touring" to me means getting outside of our local fanbase and trying to get exposure.

wow, what a shocker jon and i can't agree on something on TA. lol

i guess all i was trying to point out, is recently he has played more gigs internationally (outside of north america) than he has in his own hometown. to some (like me), that would suggest his popularity must warrant these international bookings.

and yet another thing we'll disagree on - your whole 'touring' argument. you need to be established, and be able to draw crowds in order to get booked internationally. one must have the popularity worldwide in order to get those types of gigs (or to just tour in general) - that's pretty common knowledge i'd say.

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Originally posted by Jeff Button and yet another thing we'll disagree on - your whole 'touring' argument. you need to be established, and be able to draw crowds in order to get booked internationally. one must have the popularity worldwide in order to get those types of gigs, or to just tour in general - that's pretty common knowledge i'd say.

i disagree, i don't think he's very popular outside of toronto even if he gets gigs..
it's all about knowing people/promoters and you get booked.

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Originally posted by geroin i disagree, i don't think he's very popular outside of toronto even if he gets gigs.. it's all about knowing people/promoters and you get booked.

Another data point, for what it is worth...

http://www.thedjlist.com/djs/SEAN_MILLER/

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo Another data point, for what it is worth... http://www.thedjlist.com/djs/SEAN_MILLER/

DJlist is worth about same as DJMag polls...

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Originally posted by Jeff Button i guess all i was trying to point out, is recently he has played more gigs internationally

lol No you weren't, if you were I'd have agreed with you.

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Originally posted by Jeff Button one must have the popularity worldwide in order to get those types of gigs (or to just tour in general) - that's pretty common knowledge i'd say.

obviously you have to have some kind of popularity before said "touring" begins, but you can't ignore that exposure is a part of it. Otherwise you're implying that there was a demand in Mexico for Sean before he got there. Whatever.

This also helps:

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess The Collective Agency

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo Another data point, for what it is worth... http://www.thedjlist.com/djs/SEAN_MILLER/

lol Chris Allen ranks higher, ladies and gentlemen this thread has now come full circle!

You're such squirrely bitches. A slap fight in here wouldn't be so unrealistic, lol.

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Originally posted by jennypie You're such squirrely bitches.

Squirrels are my favourite animals after cheetahs.

But i prefer the males in both species. fuck the bitches.

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Originally posted by jon jon lol Chris Allen ranks higher, ladies and gentlemen this thread has now come full circle!

9,354 vs. 2,471

whoa. serious business. thats 6,883 higher


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And I just LOVE how Scooter ranks 1 spot ABOVE fucking Chris Liebing when you rank the top Techno DJs!

Hats off to Scooter I guess

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Originally posted by jon jon

we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

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Originally posted by jennypie

lol, yes yes agree to disagree.

But just to put some things in perspective, when I lived in the UK and was on my "one man mission to promote canadian dj's" I often found myself bewildered with how little people knew about Max Graham, Mistress Barbara, Preach or even Richie Hawtin. 9/10 people had never heard of them, I'm talking about like hardcore punters here. People who live/ breathe/ eat/ sleep dance music.

These aformentioned dj's OFTEN ranked in the top 50 poll, forget the top fucking 6,000. So excuse me if I chuckle when I hear people say shit like "Luke Fair is massive in Europe", give me a break.

i am pretty sure the way it works with these global booking agents is that a club will call them up and say give us a DJ in this and this price range for this date that spins house. and that's all. if the dj fits the profile then he is in. (this is of course for the no names).

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Originally posted by Jeff Button his style has more 'edge' than what he used to play

are diva vocals edgey again?
or has sean switched up his style once more?

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess i am pretty sure the way it works with these global booking agents is that a club will call them up and say give us a DJ in this and this price range for this date that spins house. and that's all. if the dj fits the profile then he is in. (this is of course for the no names).

This sounds pretty logical as opposed to Jeff's "theory" about Miller's international popularity. Who are we kidding here?

Jeff do you have any proof to back this up, besides the bookings?

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess i am pretty sure the way it works with these global booking agents is that a club will call them up and say give us a DJ in this and this price range for this date that spins house. and that's all. if the dj fits the profile then he is in. (this is of course for the no names).

or its can we please book sasha or digweed and the agency saying first you have to book the no names (guys like sean miller etc etc) before you can get the big boys!

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Originally posted by Special K or its can we please book sasha or digweed and the agency saying first you have to book the no names (guys like sean miller etc etc) before you can get the big boys!

Even that model is changing in my opinion.

The Collective is pretty consolidated in the promoters they choose to work with in North America. In the big cities there's usually one big promoter who has preference after years of working with Balance/The Collective. These big promoters hold so much clout now that they're telling The Collective that they aren't wasting their time on the smaller roster guys who have no draw.

The Bullitt roster's even worse for this. When was the last time you saw any of their junior roster getting any gigs aside for maybe opening for Sleep Dish once in a while.

Toronto's electronic scene has moved on from where it was in the late 90s. Back then you could book a lesser known DJ from out of town and people would be genuinely interested in seeing them and make the effort to come out. Things are still like this in places like Eastern Europe, South America, Mexico etc.... That's why promoters there are booking lesser known DJs.

Toronto's now apathetic response to guests translates even more to the locals. Local support in Toronto is something that's earned through a long hard slog of playing everything you can and working very very hard to get noticed and stay noticed. It's really hard to grow local support in Toronto if you haven't taken the time to try and grow it here.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar this is a serious business thread!

Serious business requires a holster.

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Originally posted by jon jon I can agree Sean has played in those cities, sure. Does that mean he is bigger in Mexico than he is in Toronto? Give me a break. lol (and how can you say he played those cities more than Toronto? Fuck he played here every month last year)

It's kind of funny when people talk shit without having a clue...talking out of your ass may get you better results...so to answer your question...YES, Sean attracts bigger crowds in places like Monterray Mexico and LA than he does in Toronto. In fact, there are a few markets where Sean attracts bigger crowds than he does in Toronto now...and there are even more markets where Luke Fair draws far bigger numbers than he does in the market he calls home...but that also may have to do with where he is stuck playing.

Isn't it funny how the locals with the most support are the ones that are staying local? It speaks miles for the education that the so called leading clubs in this city are providing to the younger demographic becoming more intrigued by electronic music.

I rarely read these boards...but sometimes I find some things so humorous...this time I couldn't help but commenting. Someone with as little experience in this BUSINESS should keep the ASSuptions to a minimum.

Bravo to Jeff for actually having a little bit of knowledge about what is happening beyond our own city. Believe it or not, there are many other cities out there with crowds that either have far better knowledge of music or who are far more open minded and interested in hearing new up and coming artists as opposed to the same old big names that keep on coming here...and playing the same old venues.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Serious business requires a holster.

and a big cool belt buckle too.

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Originally posted by Carey It's kind of funny when people talk shit without having a clue...talking out of your ass may get you better results...so to answer your question...YES, Sean attracts bigger crowds in places like Monterray Mexico and LA than he does in Toronto. In fact, there are a few markets where Sean attracts bigger crowds than he does in Toronto now...and there are even more markets where Luke Fair draws far bigger numbers than he does in the market he calls home...but that also may have to do with where he is stuck playing. Isn't it funny how the locals with the most support are the ones that are staying local? It speaks miles for the education that the so called leading clubs in this city are providing to the younger demographic becoming more intrigued by electronic music. I rarely read these boards...but sometimes I find some things so humorous...this time I couldn't help but commenting. Someone with as little experience in this BUSINESS should keep the ASSuptions to a minimum. Bravo to Jeff for actually having a little bit of knowledge about what is happening beyond our own city. Believe it or not, there are many other cities out there with crowds that either have far better knowledge of music or who are far more open minded and interested in hearing new up and coming artists as opposed to the same old big names that keep on coming here...and playing the same old venues.

LOL! <3

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Originally posted by jon jon LOL! <3

Come on you got called out by Carey...I was expecting a much better witty rebuttal...not played well.

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Originally posted by Carey Isn't it funny how the locals with the most support are the ones that are staying local?

It's obvious who you're talking about here, lovely.

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Originally posted by Carey Someone with as little experience in this BUSINESS should keep the ASSuptions to a minimum.

lol "ASS", that was clever. Are you talking about me here? I really hope you're not talking about my "dj career" in relation to my opinion in this thread! hahah

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Originally posted by PressPLay Come on you got called out by Carey...I was expecting a much better witty rebuttal...not played well.

Of course, I had to quote it first before it was edited... I obviously respect him for defending his "boy", fuck he has him headlining parties all summer. lol

retraction...well played jon jon!!!

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