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after ages i heard a better track from paul, thanks for sharing

once again...this is the sorta track ul like in the clubs. (especially if ur in the right mood)

But nothing out of the Ordinary.

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Originally posted by nefardec this track has a fairly cheesy 'beat' and some of the rolloffs/buildups are quite trite IMO

Elaborate this. I don't really see how the beat is cheesy, unless you consider high-tempo, high-energy beats inherently cheesy.

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This will make people dance for sure, but I like to imagine a world where electronic music is more than 'simply' dance music.

I think your problem is you're bringing the wrong sort of expectations to this track. I'm a huge fan of dance music than transcends the dancefloor, but that doesn't remove the worth of pure dance music.

Acid house is, by your criteria, "stupid, mindless track for stupid, mindless clubbers, who water down the scene and remove it from cultural significance", because it's pure dance music. Of course, acid house gets off because it has the 303 and you can slap all kinds of terms like "mind-warping" and "psychedelic" to it, but the fact remains.

In an age where trance is usually full of momentum-killing breakdowns and pop elements, this is a welcome return to a no-bullshit attitude that PVD used to do well.

Being unpretentious does not equate to being cheesy.

Haha, I knew I was going to get that response about "mindless" music.

You definitely have a good point. Dance music has always been sort of mindless...

re: cheesy. I can't really elaborate on that since one man's 'cheese' is another man's 'chocolate' (i can't believe i just wrote that) but basically what i feel is that a track like that reduces dancing to stupid bouncing, inspires things like the melbourne shuffle, guido pec bumbling, a track so obnoxious in tone and structurally clear that it demands a singular interpretation and crowd response.

some people like this because they like being in a 70,000 person trance energy mob bouncing for hours fist pumping, but I guess I think that's not a sustainable way of life or style of music.

With that said, all this track will ever be will be a big bang. If that's what PvD meant in titling the track, then cheers to him for being smart about it and commenting on club culture.

Look, I think you're right about the no-bullshit stuff here, but I can just read from the track the sort of people that paul van dyk is targeting here, and I think that those people are generally detrimental to musical progress and club culture. I don't mean you personal offense with this statement, because I don't think you are part of the 'target'.

And you're right - not everything needs to be trancendental. But guess what, who are the ambassadors of dance music presenting it to the world? It's people like PvD and these tracks are the tracks that make first impressions on people. This album is what some people will think of when they think 'trance', and it's what they'll tell there high school friends trance music is.

with that said, if it stops people from listening to anthem, it's all good

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Originally posted by nefardec re: cheesy. I can't really elaborate on that since one man's 'cheese' is another man's 'chocolate' (i can't believe i just wrote that) but basically what i feel is that a track like that reduces dancing to stupid bouncing, inspires things like the melbourne shuffle, guido pec bumbling, a track so obnoxious in tone and structurally clear that it demands a singular interpretation and crowd response.

I suppose that's true enough, because there's not much to dance to. Trouble is, I can never dance to trance very well, because the bassline is usually incredibly simple.

I feel that in what I consider 'better' trance music what makes one dance is the syncopated rhythms of arpeggiated leads and basslines and the light high percussion. It's like there was a part of each frequency in the track that affected another part of your body and just made you mad, every part of your body resonating with the music

this track to me is more like

BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE

Whats bad about bouncing why would it water down the scene ?

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Originally posted by HaeD Whats bad about bouncing why would it water down the scene ?

it's bad bad if you have a lollipop in your mouth while you are bouncing.

there's nothing inherently wrong with 'bouncing' just like there's nothing inherently wrong with adam sandler movies.

but i just won't pay to watch those, what can i say

U define bouncer as noob wich is not always the case

no, that's your assumption.

The problem is that tracks like this, released by huge names gain a wide audience and 'n00bs' inevitably latch on to them because they are easy to understand

well IMO i doubt it will get a wide fan base.

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Originally posted by HaeD well IMO i doubt it will get a wide fan base.

Think again, this track already played on the radio, chances are its not gona be released as a single if it comes out in in between. Meaning that most likely every mctrance dj + svd already asked for a whitelable from pvd. And we all know how much mctrance artists like playing unreleased stuff.

And in response to this song being simple. like I always say , A good producer knows that complexity is just a cover up for lack of creativity. Yes this song is very superficial and really lacks the depth our listening hours of edm depend on but maybe that just wasn't paul's goal. This track does what it has to do and does it extremely well. I see a big paul come back and I'm very pleased.

there is a simple that is intelligent and a simple that is uninspired

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Originally posted by nefardec there is a simple that is intelligent and a simple that is uninspired

agreed but that intelligent one is the listenable one, a floor track doesn't have to be really inspired imo. just sayin'

depends who you are

richie hawtin played pacha friday night - simply absurd

i'll leave it at that

we'e all different

i am just afraid there is too much similar

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Originally posted by nefardec depends who you are richie hawtin played pacha friday night - simply absurd i'll leave it at that we'e all different i am just afraid there is too much similar

Nice, I'm sure richie's set was insane, any links?

i'm not sure if it was recorded but it was pretty nasty imo

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Originally posted by nefardec i'm not sure if it was recorded but it was pretty nasty imo

I'm sure it was, I heard he played a couple of boratto's tracks and then some more mnml and then some more banging... pshh doesn't get much better.

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Originally posted by HaeD well IMO i doubt it will get a wide fan base.

Agreed. It's good, but nothing special.

FGS there are much more to music, electronic music and yes EDM then mindless tracks which are designed for the special case of stimulating stadiums of drugged-up kids with glowsticks who are near sub-conscious thresholds and can't distinquish one bouncing track from another. Yes Paul van Dyk was one of the founders of trance but that was in Berlin in the beginning of the 90s. There are much more happening right now in music and i'm not fond of old people who by means of using their big stardom names spawn whatever easy stupidity comes to mind and get the big money whereas hundreds of others with x1.000.000 better ideas remain in the shadows only to be evaporated by the cruelty of todays EDM industry (and music industry in general). And FFS people, newbism has its boundaries. These sort of ultra-stupid bouncing tracks have been made thousands of times before. Yes the D-Devils and Lord of Bass are much better then Paul in that matter...! (i don't believe i said that as well).

Play the following game and imagine this specific track not coming from paul van Dyk but from the new unknown paul van bike. Yes you wouldn't even create a thread for this would you?Or even worse...coming from Ian van Dahl. Comments would be "Ian van Dahl has decided to drop the cheesey euro-pop and create some equally stupid cheesey hard-technoy-trance or whatever". Yes, it is amazing how aesthetically biased can you be towards things...especially for those things that you hold a certain attitude.


So...for the love of baby jesus stop swallowing whatever is thrown to you just because it c(u)omes from a "super-star" and support something which really deserves to be supported...don't be the industry's slave.

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Originally posted by PETRAN FGS there are much more to music, electronic music and yes EDM then mindless tracks which are designed for the special case of stimulating stadiums of drugged-up kids with glowsticks who are near sub-conscious thresholds and can't distinquish one bouncing track from another. Yes Paul van Dyk was one of the founders of trance but that was in Berlin in the beginning of the 90s. There are much more to music happening right now and i'm not fond of old people who by means of using their big stardom names spawn whatever easy stupidity comes to mind and get the big money whereas hundreds of others with x1.000.000 better ideas remain in the shadows only to be evaporated by the cruelty of todays EDM industry (and music industry in general). And FFS people, newbism has its boundaries. These sort of ultra-stupid bouncing tracks have been made thousands of times before. Yes the D-Devils and Lord of Bass are much better then Paul in that matter...! (i don't believe i said that as well). Play the following game and imagine this specific track not coming from paul van Dyk but from the new unknown paul van bike. Yes you wouldn't even create a thread for this would you?Or even worse...coming from Ian van Dahl. Comments would be "Ian van Dahl has decided to drop the cheesey euro-pop and create some equally stupid cheesey hard-technoy-trance or whatever". Yes, it is amazing how aesthetically biased can you be towards things...especially for those things that you hold a certain attitude. So...for the love of baby jesus stop swallowing whatever is thrown to you just because it c(u)omes from a "super-star" and support something which really deserves to be supported...don't be the industry's slave.

I don't think Ian Van Dahl or Paul Van Bike would have a track with great mastering and ultrapassed technical aspects , but you do have a strong point that makes me feel kind of guilty.

Formulaic as hell but still not that bad, especially for his recent standards. 'Out There', for example, was much better than this, though.

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