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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Sorry I qouted you but was refering to the other guy

I didn't say it was a bad thing, I was pointing it out because it's the easiest way to ID something as psy. That said, I do think it's a bad thing, because it becomes extremely repetitive very quickly, and there's no good reason to rehash the same element across a genre.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I didn't say it was a bad thing, I was pointing it out because it's the easiest way to ID something as psy. That said, I do think it's a bad thing, because it becomes extremely repetitive very quickly, and there's no good reason to rehash the same element across a genre.

Well I think different songs are good but I don't really become annoyed by the fact that a song has a padded kick and then 2 synth base notes (you know what I'm talking about). It sounds far better then hardstyle with just kick anyway. Certainly songs such as say Infected mushroom songs who don't use this and sound unique are great. Just saying not really annoyed by it or find it repetitive.

somebody post a good Goa mix and Psy mix kthxbye.

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK somebody post a good Goa mix and Psy mix kthxbye.

the obvious goa ones are Oakenfolds 1994 essential mixes. Man With No Name has also done one iirc. Psy wise, check out j00f or Kristian. A lot of psy is in the form of live acts moreso than DJing although there's some good ta psy djs here, like ste, kr00t & j:/digital amongst others

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK somebody post a good Goa mix and Psy mix kthxbye.

download the mix by ben and sasha petrovic in the aussie promo whore thread

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Originally posted by PETRAN Faust_UA and Ian, the think is, that, if you noticed, your "Psy" reccomendations were most (if not all) coming from post-millenium artists, and the sound that you suggest as "Psy" is what i call the more full-on post-millenium iron-trance which wasn't so evident in the 90s(or i think didn't exist at all...perhaps Ololiuqui was somehow close but...). What you propose as a strict universal goa-psy difference is nothing more then the one and only genre's revolution in time, branching in various directions and sounds IMO.

Yes, I've noticed that almost all of my examples of psy tracks were from post-millenium period. I did it meaningly because post-millenium psy trance differentiated from goa more strongly than late 90's psy. Well, I can name tracks that were released after 2005 and which I consider as goa trance (Filteria, Afgin, Ka-Sol, Radical Distortion stuff). At the same time I can name some of late 90's tracks which I consider as psy trance (Killing Joke - Love Like Blood (Deedrah Remix), Four Carry Nuts - Total Recall, Planet B.E.N. - Daily Delay). IMO goa and psy trance have been evolving simultaneously from the late 90's when psy trance differentiated from goa trance till the present day.

It's all about the level of differentiation. The differentiation between trance and blues is deeper than between goa trance and psy trance. The differentiation between psy and goa trance IMO is deeper than between dark psy and full on trance (which I consider as the subgenres of psy). At the same time goa and psy trance have less distinctins than, for example, goa and progressive trance.

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Faust_UA, i don't think that Hallucinogen fit well with Astrix, Skazi and Xenomorph, not at all. I can't see how someone can't group Hallucinogen with Total Eclipse and Man With No Name since they had an almost identical sound back in the day! They were almost always featured in each Psy/Goa compilation with those names anyway. Have you heard Hallucinogen's "Twisted" album? Its full of layers and acid-lines and lead-lines and everything. Ofcourse every artist has his/her/their own style.

I'm not talking about all the Hallucinogen tracks, just about tracks like Gamma Goblins (Part 2), Snarling (Remix), Magik that are quite unpredictable and have ragged structure - IMO they are the main characteristics which distinguish psy and goa trance. Although leading samples in these tracks may sound closer to Total Eclipse, Man With No Name stuff, than to Xenomorph or Skazi tracks, the whole unpredictable structure of these tracks make them more psy trance tnan goa. Agree that tracks on Twisted album have more common with goa trance than with psychedelic.

OK OK.. people have been giving a few math-related equations for goa and psy in this thread.. lets see if we can make some sense of them:

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Originally posted by s3nate Goa = Hippies + acid + drum machines + synths ... Psytrance = Robots on LSD with drum machines and synths

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Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_ psy trance = awesome when tripping goa trance = awesome when tripping

and here's a little something i'll add, which I think most can agree with...

lsd = acid

1. goa = hippies + acid + drum machines + synths
2. psy = robots + lsd + drum machines + synths
3. acid = lsd
4. psy = awesome when tripping = goa

goa = hippies + lsd + drum machines + synths
goa = psy - robots + hippies

... ok, but i think we can be more descriptive.. lets probe a little deeper...

from eq 4, we have psy = goa.. thus we get

goa = goa - robots + hippies, or

robots = hippies

that's more like it.


so really


goa = psy
robots = hippies
acid = lsd

that's all this thread has to offer.


...

what?

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Originally posted by rustyryan OK OK.. people have been giving a few math-related equations for goa and psy in this thread.. lets see if we can make some sense of them: and here's a little something i'll add, which I think most can agree with... lsd = acid 1. goa = hippies + acid + drum machines + synths 2. psy = robots + lsd + drum machines + synths 3. acid = lsd 4. psy = awesome when tripping = goa goa = hippies + lsd + drum machines + synths goa = psy - robots + hippies ... ok, but i think we can be more descriptive.. lets probe a little deeper... from eq 4, we have psy = goa.. thus we get goa = goa - robots + hippies, or robots = hippies that's more like it. so really goa = psy robots = hippies acid = lsd that's all this thread has to offer. ... what?

Actually originally the point of the thread was for anyone and everyone to point out GOA producers that make GOA similar to that wich Oakenfold was known for playing back in the day.

It would be insteresting to find some House tracks with GOA influence.

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Originally posted by rustyryan OK OK.. people have been giving a few math-related equations for goa and psy in this thread.. lets see if we can make some sense of them: and here's a little something i'll add, which I think most can agree with... lsd = acid 1. goa = hippies + acid + drum machines + synths 2. psy = robots + lsd + drum machines + synths 3. acid = lsd 4. psy = awesome when tripping = goa goa = hippies + lsd + drum machines + synths goa = psy - robots + hippies ... ok, but i think we can be more descriptive.. lets probe a little deeper... from eq 4, we have psy = goa.. thus we get goa = goa - robots + hippies, or robots = hippies that's more like it. so really goa = psy robots = hippies acid = lsd that's all this thread has to offer. ... what?

Thats fucking genious. Thats exactly what i was trying to say really!!! (but in gross verbal statements...). Your formal ways leave no room for debate though dear genious TA! Thanks for formally "integrating these two forces" which were seperated for so many years due to "naive" and grossly subjective categorisation! Psy and Goa will never be the same again...

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Originally posted by PETRAN Thats fucking genious. Thats exactly what i was trying to say really!!! (but in gross verbal statements...). Your formal ways leave no room for debate though dear genious TA! Thanks for formally "integrating these two forces" which were seperated for so many years due to "naive" and grossly subjective categorisation! Psy and Goa will never be the same again...

Stay away from this thread, it's not good for you.

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Originally posted by SMC Stay away from this thread, it's not good for you.

I think so as well...

Y que?

Re: GOA and PSY trance are different

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Originally posted by Surfmorworkless I always figure there is and i know there is some controversy over this.But from what i understand GOA feels more organic and PSY more metallic.I'm looking for GOA influenced tracks that have been released lately.Any suggestions?

The easiest way to learn what the difference is, is to play old Infected Mushroom records and then play older Astral Projection stuff.

You will notice similarities, but Infected 'Shroom has more of the psy sound while AP is more on the GOA side.

hello my frewnd

and remembers kids progressive psy/psygressive or progress trance (as psyshop calls it) ownz all

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Originally posted by Eagle` and remembers kids progressive psy/psygressive or progress trance (as psyshop calls it) ownz all

Post links to a few examples please.

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Originally posted by Surfmorworkless Post links to a few examples please.

frogacult - bye she said

behind blue eyes - welcome to the jungle

sonic cube - cloud buster

sbk - miles and more

freq - return to the masters (antix remix)

hope that helps

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Originally posted by Eagle` and remembers kids progressive psy/psygressive or progress trance (as psyshop calls it) ownz all

No, it doesn't

Progress trance:

FreQ - Awaken

Son Kite - Catch

Lish - Conciousness

Son Kite - Let us be (Vibrasphere rmx)

Minilogue - Little Sisters (D-Nox & Beckers Remix)

Flowjob - Mood Flood

FreQ - Stone Shaker

Vernon - Wonderer (Son Kite Remix)

Ticon - Poem for Granny

Mostly older stuff, the pile is too big to pick out a few

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Originally posted by Eagle` Progress trance: FreQ - Awaken Son Kite - Catch Lish - Conciousness Son Kite - Let us be (Vibrasphere rmx) Minilogue - Little Sisters (D-Nox & Beckers Remix) Flowjob - Mood Flood FreQ - Stone Shaker Vernon - Wonderer (Son Kite Remix) Ticon - Poem for Granny Mostly older stuff, the pile is too big to pick out a few

Wow that stuff awesome!!!That's what i've been looking for.

Psychedelic trance vs Goa trance

The term "psychedelic trance" is frequently used almost synonymously with "Goa trance". Goa trance is a precursor to the late 1990s psychedelic trance, which utilizes more sophisticated melodic devices and distinctive basslines. The term "Psychedelic trance" is used to distinguish the newer material made by many artists, who were formerly known to have produced Goa trance. Commercialized Psychedelic trance is popularly termed "Full on". Full On is a sub-genre characterized by "solidly driven" basslines, melodies, and frequent use of DSP Effects. Notable artists include, Spain's (Ibiza) Growling Mad Scientists G.M.S. and Israel's Astrix in comparison to the more "clubbier" minimalist and less melodic genres, such as Progressive Trance with more of a psychedelic influence, exemplified by many Scandinavian and German artists, including Sweden's Son Kite. Many use the term Goa trance to simply distinguish those pieces which seem to incorporate eastern, Indian, or "organic" melodies (see raga), derived from sources, like Indian classical music. This makes it easier to identify those which don't incorporate such elements, which listeners would call Psychedelic trance. These pieces tend to be more experimental and futuristic (in the case of Full on), usually using programmed melodies juxtapositionally derived from minor arpeggios Cm7, Dm7, Em7, etc and other exotic or unusual harmonic combinations (see transposition), with the intent of being multi-timbral (see glissando). Both genres, however, continue to use samples taken from sources, like sci-fi film's, documentaries, etc.

http://gnomefatty.tribe.net/thread/...4c-83b83acbb17b

all i know is the stuff on the iboga label has turned me into a psy dj

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Originally posted by PezCore Psychedelic trance vs Goa trance The term "psychedelic trance" is frequently used almost synonymously with "Goa trance". Goa trance is a precursor to the late 1990s psychedelic trance, which utilizes more sophisticated melodic devices and distinctive basslines. The term "Psychedelic trance" is used to distinguish the newer material made by many artists, who were formerly known to have produced Goa trance. Commercialized Psychedelic trance is popularly termed "Full on". Full On is a sub-genre characterized by "solidly driven" basslines, melodies, and frequent use of DSP Effects. Notable artists include, Spain's (Ibiza) Growling Mad Scientists G.M.S. and Israel's Astrix in comparison to the more "clubbier" minimalist and less melodic genres, such as Progressive Trance with more of a psychedelic influence, exemplified by many Scandinavian and German artists, including Sweden's Son Kite. Many use the term Goa trance to simply distinguish those pieces which seem to incorporate eastern, Indian, or "organic" melodies (see raga), derived from sources, like Indian classical music. This makes it easier to identify those which don't incorporate such elements, which listeners would call Psychedelic trance. These pieces tend to be more experimental and futuristic (in the case of Full on), usually using programmed melodies juxtapositionally derived from minor arpeggios Cm7, Dm7, Em7, etc and other exotic or unusual harmonic combinations (see transposition), with the intent of being multi-timbral (see glissando). Both genres, however, continue to use samples taken from sources, like sci-fi film's, documentaries, etc. http://gnomefatty.tribe.net/thread/...4c-83b83acbb17b

Interesting post.

I'm sure their different

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