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Originally posted by jerZ07002 It's nice that a french person admitted that americans are better at something, because in this case we clearly are. And what does primitive way of life mean?? If you are referring to the fact that there is a disparity between rich and poor, well that's the incentive system we have. This system is the reason this country has been the most innovative over the last 100 years. This is also the reason you are in this country. If you want to live off of government handouts that's fine. But for the most part people in this country don't. And those that do are the ones who deserve it the least. Maybe they need it the most, but our system is based on merit.

i wasn't being nice i was just pointing out what i know, and yes the reason i'm in this country is to benefit from this system but that doesnt mean i like it, clearly i want there to be changes. This system is good if you are rich since many of them benefit from it or a hardworking person, the reason many americans work so many long hours is that working is just a way of being kept busy so that you don't have to think about the problems in the real world...

energy is sayin all the right things.............NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!!

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 i wasn't being nice i was just pointing out what i know, and yes the reason i'm in this country is to benefit from this system but that doesnt mean i like it, clearly i want there to be changes. This system is good if you are rich since many of them benefit from it or a hardworking person, the reason many americans work so many long hours is that working is just a way of being kept busy so that you don't have to think about the problems in the real world...

i could careless if you were being nice or not, i said it is nice, not you are nice. no offense intended.

But back to the point, you aren't making any sense. You are in this country to benefit from the system that rewards people for hardwork, but yet you want to change that to give benefits to those who need it, and don't necessarily deserve it. i hope you can see the problem with that logic.

you can have your opinions about why americans work long hours, but i simply don't agree. I know i work long hours because i have to pay off massive graduate student loans.

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Originally posted by SayNoToNational energy is sayin all the right things.............NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!!

dude, what the hell are you talking about?? Are you an illegal immigrant or something? You have representation, unless you live in DC. You may not like it, but you do. Furthermore, you can't complain if you don't vote.

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 the reason many americans work so many long hours is that working is just a way of being kept busy so that you don't have to think about the problems in the real world...

out of ALL the stupidest things I've ever read on TA, this takes the cake

entertaining because of the outrageous comments i've read...

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Originally posted by verndogs out of ALL the stupidest things I've ever read on TA, this takes the cake

You hate me that much don't u, i havent heard one positive thing come out of your mouth ever since i started posting on here, are you even american?.... but do you even travel out of the states? wtf do you know whats stupid or not?? people have opinions, and truth of the matter is thats wat the rest of the world thinks i could care less what any of you think

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 i could careless if you were being nice or not, i said it is nice, not you are nice. no offense intended. But back to the point, you aren't making any sense. You are in this country to benefit from the system that rewards people for hardwork, but yet you want to change that to give benefits to those who need it, and don't necessarily deserve it. i hope you can see the problem with that logic. you can have your opinions about why americans work long hours, but i simply don't agree. I know i work long hours because i have to pay off massive graduate student loans.

but see thats the thing, you work because you have to pay off something, or someone.... you have to pay everything in this system don't u get that? your sayin you love paying off massive loans?? I'm here because my father is doin a job that requires him to be here, as much as i love NYC i dont see why i should go back yet even though i will, when i can try and make a difference in this system...

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 You hate me that much don't u, i havent heard one positive thing come out of your mouth ever since i started posting on here, are you even american?.... but its obvious you would know because you travel out of the states right ? wtf do you know whats stupid or not?? people have opinions, and truth of the matter is thats wat the rest of the world thinks i could care less what any of you think

come on man, that was a pretty ridiculous comment. i was entertaining it just to be insightful. And i'd love to hear how you know what the rest of the world thinks. What are you 21? And i'm sure you've been to Argentina, Cuba, Australia, Russia, China, Japan, Thailand, Nigeria, South Africa, Norway, North Korea, Iran, and India, right???? So you probably had the chance to ask all of them why americans work long hours.

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 but see thats the thing, you work because you have to pay off something, or someone.... you have to pay everything in this system don't u get that? your sayin you love paying off massive loans?? I'm here because my father is doin a job that requires him to be here, as much as i love NYC i dont see why i should go back yet even though i will, when i can try and make a difference in this system...

Man, that's not what you were saying. You said americans work long to forget about real world problems. That's not the case. I am working to pay off loans. Of course i don't like it, but its a fact of life, and has nothing to do with what you said. Soon enough the loans will be gone.

Plus a citizen paying for something him/herself isn't a bad thing. We are just substituting our choice for a government mandated choice. That's why taxes are a bit lower in the US, to allow for americans to chose how they want to spend money. Alot of european countries have their highest personal income taxes rates as high as 40 - 50%, with VATs around 20%. In contrast, the highest US personal income tax rate is 35%, with states electing to charge sales taxes. THe higher european taxes are basically the governments making expenditures that in the US you have to make yourself. In the US, the government gives people the chance to spend as they see fit.

Good luck trying to change a system that has worked since 1787. What's that saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 Man, that's not what you were saying. You said americans work long to forget about real world problems. That's not the case. I am working to pay off loans. Of course i don't like it, but its a fact of life, and has nothing to do with what you said. Soon enough the loans will be gone."

exactly my point buddy, i don't live to work but hey wat ever floats your boat right? I dunno how you can live with the fact that there are still people in iraq dying and fighting a lost war, "BUSH's" war... it dont make sense to me, and im sorry if i seem like im runnin on and on, on certain things as i myself am still trying to make sense of corporate america.

and yes they do work long hours and i was saying anything that is public you have to pay for, in other words nothing is free there is always something to pay off.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 Good luck trying to change a system that has worked since 1787. What's that saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

sounds pretty ignorant to me, so basically your saying you don't give a fuck about people but yourself and that your not willing to help change the way this country is being run.... hmmmm that says alot considering your the best country in the world right?

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 You hate me that much don't u,

nothing personal at all

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 i havent heard one positive thing come out of your mouth ever since i started posting on here,

i disagree. i was very positive on the 2006 world cup thread when italy beat france

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 are you even american?....

yep. born and raised in NYC.

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 but do you even travel out of the states?

been to the philippines, mexico, england, ireland so far. I'll be backpacking throughout asia next month.

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 wtf do you know whats stupid or not??

I know that statement was very stupid

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 people have opinions and truth of the matter is thats wat the rest of the world thinks i could care less what any of you think

I can't believe I've wasted my time to explain why I thought your statement was so ridiculous. (It really is a slap in the face to the average working American) Anyways, here it goes:

Assume that the general rule of thumb in the US is that within a specific industry, people who are in higher paying positions have more responsibilities and duties and have to spend a lot of time dealing with it. This article sums it up nicely.

Americans who are paid by the hour work more hours simply because they want the extra cash. Certainly there is nothing wrong with having an extra few dollars.

Americans who are salaried work long hours because they want to have an edge over their competition. Competition can be either a rival company (spend extra time dealing with work to win a major client over a competitor) or other people (spend extra time improving your quality of work to show that you are the best candidate to move up to a higher position within the firm).

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 Equal?? def not, i think you have things backwards... i got family in france and go there often and i can tell you that the quality of life is 10x better then it is in NYC or the US for that matter, we have one of the best healthcare systems in the world which is free, education is free, and working hours are less demanding simply because people arnt workaholics, the goverment does alot for the people which in this case is actually a good thing because everyone gets their fair share and is treated equally. I dunno about the rest of the places in europe but from what i know their way up there as well, more advanced in technology and modern.

All of that comes at a cost of a France having a high unemployment rate, and a sluggish economy.


If the social welfare of France was so good, why was the conservative Nicolas Sarkozy who is advocating a free market approach elected president over the socialist candidate S�gol�ne Royal?

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 Plus a citizen paying for something him/herself isn't a bad thing. We are just substituting our choice for a government mandated choice. That's why taxes are a bit lower in the US, to allow for americans to chose how they want to spend money. Alot of european countries have their highest personal income taxes rates as high as 40 - 50%, with VATs around 20%. In contrast, the highest US personal income tax rate is 35%, with states electing to charge sales taxes. THe higher european taxes are basically the governments making expenditures that in the US you have to make yourself. In the US, the government gives people the chance to spend as they see fit.

Ooh, thanks for this tidbit. I was trying to find a good explanation on why the US taxes aren't as bad as Europe.


having said that, taxes in NYC really fucking suck.


edit: Going back on topic, I do like the idea of a congestion tax since if it does reduce traffic, the MTA buses will actually be useful and not crawl going crosstown.

The downside for having the congestion tax for those who don't drive this is that the prices of just about everything that has to be delivered by truck or car to Manhattan will go up. We're all paying for it one way or another.

i'm not a treehugger or anything... but i feel like the environment should be somewhat high on everyone's list of priorities. We should definitely spend more money on alternative fuels, but i suppose many large petroleum corporations might go down if they were forced to quickly move away from their most lucrative product.

as for the congestion tax... thats gonna hit me pretty hard seeing as i commute to nj for work (yea i know, it doesn't make sense). now i'm gonna have a congestion tax on top of my gas and holland tunnel toll. might just have to move back to nj after this.

heres the thing thats gettin me confused
if you use the battery tunnel or midtown tunnel linchon or holland tunnel cause all those tunnels are below 86 street
do you still have to pay the $8 tax?
i mean cause a round trip on the battery tunnel is 9 bucks so you gotta pay an additonal 8 bucks to come into nyc?
or is it just gonna be 8 bucks on like the brooklyn,manhattan and williamsburg bridge?

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Originally posted by AY STAR heres the thing thats gettin me confused if you use the battery tunnel or midtown tunnel linchon or holland tunnel cause all those tunnels are below 86 street do you still have to pay the $8 tax? i mean cause a round trip on the battery tunnel is 9 bucks so you gotta pay an additonal 8 bucks to come into nyc? or is it just gonna be 8 bucks on like the brooklyn,manhattan and williamsburg bridge?

you'll pay the congestion tax minus tolls

so if it costs you $6 to cross a tennel, you'll pay an additional $2 for entering below 86th st

+1

traffic sux

I cant believe I can hate a person from TA as much as I hate this tool, he heres studying in NYC, and hes bitching, what an ass, No one, not any of my European friends would ever think to classify NYC as primitive,nor would I ever think about referring to London, Paris, Madrid, Copenhagen, or any of the other places I visted or have family in, primitive, your are such a little girl; who cant argue with content, wawawa its Bush's war, wawawa u get your dumb college talikng points out and then your left to name calling, you can anser this post, but I will never adress you or your ignorance again, until i Mett hyouin person, but how dare you refer to my great city by such names, you are a poor representation of Europeans and the French.

so easy a caveman can do it.

you are all living in a bubble, that is about to burst!!

Folks, we have now: military law (meaning, right and wrong is determined by whether a person is paying taxes; not by ethics or morals), extreme nationalism. FEMA camps, a NEO-NAZI president who doesn't listen to one goddamn thing congress says, the Patriot Act which allows surveillance, warrantless searches, warrantless wiretaps (one of the reasons why Nixon was impeached), and all the mainstream media is completely slanted. The government is now having people chipped with these new RFID tags called verichips that can constantly monitor a persons' position. There is also going to be a new national ID that has biometrics and an RFID chip embedded in it. The Real ID Act comes into effect in May 2008 (the very same chip that is in all our passports. All of our hard earned tax money is being put into survallience and the War(s), not into social reform; while giving tax-cuts to huge corporations. Furthermore The goverment also wants to unite Canada and Mexico to the US thanks to the NAFTA (North America Free Trade Area) bill passed by Clinton in 1994. The holocaust ocurred in Germany in 1939 before Germany invaded Poland and more than 11 million people were forced in concentration camps. We are now in 2007 and technology has progressed alot since then. With all these new security measures and intsruments that are here to "protect" us, it leaves one wondering; Where was all this security when 911 happened? WHERE WAS ARE PROTECTION THEN? billions upon billions of dollars were being invested in our national "defense" years before 911. And if all of these things are being implemented for our safety and security, why are we being constantly warned of "terrorist" threats, since these things are put into place so we feel safe and secure. The NSA is doing nothing for our safety and is using scare tactics so we keep paying our taxes. We are the 4th Reich and this is a World War; make no mistake about it.

"Goverments are instituted among men...that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the 'people' to alter or abolish it, and institute a new one"-Declaration of Independence

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Originally posted by southbound24 I cant believe I can hate a person from TA as much as I hate this tool, he heres studying in NYC, and hes bitching, what an ass, No one, not any of my European friends would ever think to classify NYC as primitive,nor would I ever think about referring to London, Paris, Madrid, Copenhagen, or any of the other places I visted or have family in, primitive, your are such a little girl; who cant argue with content, wawawa its Bush's war, wawawa u get your dumb college talikng points out and then your left to name calling, you can anser this post, but I will never adress you or your ignorance again, until i Mett hyouin person, but how dare you refer to my great city by such names, you are a poor representation of Europeans and the French.

I'm far from a tool, and again your twisting what i said,the more and more i hear you speak the more i think your some typical NY trashtalking hard ass, get over yourself... i never said i hated New York i love it because of its diversity and opportunities what i was saying was that many people from abroad get a certain idea when they come to the states. What i dont agree with is this government in the US ... and any form of government to an extent isnt great, when i said those things about france it doesnt mean that i approve of everything they do either, i think it should be somewhere in between...

and verndogs i guess i must've misjudged you then....

Re: you are all living in a bubble, that is about to burst!!

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Originally posted by SayNoToNational Folks, we have now: military law (meaning, right and wrong is determined by whether a person is paying taxes; not by ethics or morals), extreme nationalism. FEMA camps, a NEO-NAZI president who doesn't listen to one goddamn thing congress says, the Patriot Act which allows surveillance, warrantless searches, warrantless wiretaps (one of the reasons why Nixon was impeached), and all the mainstream media is completely slanted. The government is now having people chipped with these new RFID tags called verichips that can constantly monitor a persons' position. There is also going to be a new national ID that has biometrics and an RFID chip embedded in it. The Real ID Act comes into effect in May 2008 (the very same chip that is in all our passports. All of our hard earned tax money is being put into survallience and the War(s), not into social reform; while giving tax-cuts to huge corporations. Furthermore The goverment also wants to unite Canada and Mexico to the US thanks to the NAFTA (North America Free Trade Area) bill passed by Clinton in 1994. The holocaust ocurred in Germany in 1939 before Germany invaded Poland and more than 11 million people were forced in concentration camps. We are now in 2007 and technology has progressed alot since then. With all these new security measures and intsruments that are here to "protect" us, it leaves one wondering; Where was all this security when 911 happened? WHERE WAS ARE PROTECTION THEN? billions upon billions of dollars were being invested in our national "defense" years before 911. And if all of these things are being implemented for our safety and security, why are we being constantly warned of "terrorist" threats, since these things are put into place so we feel safe and secure. The NSA is doing nothing for our safety and is using scare tactics so we keep paying our taxes. We are the 4th Reich and this is a World War; make no mistake about it. "Goverments are instituted among men...that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the 'people' to alter or abolish it, and institute a new one"-Declaration of Independence

before you continue to ramble on with your propaganda....

how is this relevant to congestion tax? please elaborate on it

otherwise, please just shut up. thanks

Re: you are all living in a bubble, that is about to burst!!

This is the biggest load of bullshit i've ever had the displeasure of reading

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Originally posted by SayNoToNational Folks, we have now: military law (meaning, right and wrong is determined by whether a person is paying taxes; not by ethics or morals), extreme nationalism. FEMA camps, a NEO-NAZI president who doesn't listen to one goddamn thing congress says, the Patriot Act which allows surveillance, warrantless searches, warrantless wiretaps (one of the reasons why Nixon was impeached), and all the mainstream media is completely slanted.

You're a moron. Prior to posting propoganda BS like this, please learn how to read something other than the books on the Hugo Chavez best seller list.

I'm not exactly sure why i'm even entertaining this stupid post, but you should know a few things. Firstly, a US court of appeals just ruled that a US citizen who was labeled an "enemy combatant" couldn't be held indefinitely. Secondly, the president doesn't have to answer to congress; That is part of the famous "Checks and balances" our system was founded upon. Lastly, the biased tendency of media has nothing to do with government.

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Originally posted by SayNoToNational The government is now having people chipped with these new RFID tags called verichips that can constantly monitor a persons' position. There is also going to be a new national ID that has biometrics and an RFID chip embedded in it. The Real ID Act comes into effect in May 2008 (the very same chip that is in all our passports. All of our hard earned tax money is being put into survallience and the War(s), not into social reform; while giving tax-cuts to huge corporations.

Again, please learn to read, a little self help can go a long way to avoid stupidity. The Real ID Act is meant to provide a uniform standard for state issued ID's, among other unrelated things. Plus, the law doesn't go into effect until the beginning of 2010. It has nothing to do with marking people for location.

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Originally posted by SayNoToNational .........

the rest of your post is just too stupid so it doesn't deserve a response.

Re: Re: you are all living in a bubble, that is about to burst!!

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Originally posted by verndogs before you continue to ramble on with your propaganda.... how is this relevant to congestion tax? please elaborate on it otherwise, please just shut up. thanks

What am i saying that is propaganda? many of the things that i have mentioned are factual and you can choose to believe this or not, tax has a major part to play in this society you pay taxes your not breaking the law, you don't pay taxes your breakin the law. Our tax money goes to the military which in turn is put into weapons,ammunition,bombs and all type of welfare that is killing innocent women and children over in iraq and our soldiers are dying as well. War is a global issue that has to do with everything, i don't care if you agree or not we are all going to feel the effects of this one way or another. prices of all goods and services are increasing to the point where we have a super hyper inflation as a result of this war. Our economy very well could collapse thanks to president Bush.


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