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| Originally posted by Magnetonium Oh, great ... so the burden of proof is on me again? Its easy to deny and disagree than to provide information on the rise of autism. How about you guys provide some evidence to prove your point!!! Huh? ... I am just using logic to back my point because the science is too weak right now to back up my point properly. But I have shown proof that vaccines HAVE a negative effect on children, at least the ones that show very acute symptoms. Its very ignorant to believe that the rise of autism is just a normal occurence and there's no correlation to the stuff our children are forced to intake into their bodies at young age (pretty much the main thing that can have an immediate impact on their bodies, brain). |
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| In 784 DT and 15,752 DTP immunizations given to children 0 to 6 years of age who were prospectively studied for reactions occurring within 48 hours following immunization, minor reactions were significantly more frequent following DTP vaccine. The ratio of reaction rates associated with DTP and DT immunizations (DTP/DT) for selected local and systemic reactions was as follows: local redness, 37.4%/7.6%; local swelling, 40.7%/7.6%; pain, 50.9%/9.9%; fever, 31.5%/14.9%; drowsiness, 31.5%/14.9%; fretfulness, 53.4%/22.6%; vomiting, 6.2%/2.6%; anorexia, 20.9%/7.0% and persistent crying, 3.1%/0.7%. Following DTP immunization nine children developed convulsions and nine developed hypotonic hyporesponsive episodes. No sequelae were detected following these reactions. |
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The vast majority of adverse reactions following immunisation of children with live measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine were shown in a double-blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study in 581 twin pairs to be only temporally but not causally related to the vaccination. The true frequency of side-effects caused by MMR vaccine, estimated from the discordance rates of individual signs and symptoms between MMR vaccinees and their placebo-injected twins, was between 0.5 and 4.0%. Moreover, respiratory symptoms, nausea, and vomiting were observed more frequently in the placebo-injected group than in the MMR vaccinated group. |
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In light of the fact that many additional factors may play a potential role in the development of neurodevelopmental disorders in children, the observed statistical increase in neurodevelopmental disorders in children receiving thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccines may reflect a synergistic effect of multiple factors in a susceptible child. We recommend that additional studies be conducted to confirm and extend the results of this study. We suggest that even though there may be other factors related to the incidence of neurodevelopmental disorders in children, manufacturers should consider removing thimerosal from vaccines either by using another preservative or by producing single dose vials so that no preservative is necessary, for it is better to be safe than sorry. Despite these negative findings concerning the preservative thimerosal, vaccination has been and will continue to be an invaluable asset to control potentially debilitating and deadly infectious diseases. |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium Oh, great ... so the burden of proof is on me again? Its easy to deny and disagree than to provide information on the rise of autism. How about you guys provide some evidence to prove your point!!! Huh? ... I am just using logic to back my point because the science is too weak right now to back up my point properly. But I have shown proof that vaccines HAVE a negative effect on children, at least the ones that show very acute symptoms. Its very ignorant to believe that the rise of autism is just a normal occurence and there's no correlation to the stuff our children are forced to intake into their bodies at young age (pretty much the main thing that can have an immediate impact on their bodies, brain). |
I'll give you some credit for your research, and you do have an upper hand in this argument. I will wait and see while the science on the issue of autism is getting upgraded. Once me and someone else finds any updates in the search of causes of autism that has some good evidence to it, I would love to see it / share it with you guys. But, I still believe that there's something that babies INTAKE at that critical young age that results in autism. Autism is not a genetic disorder, its not passed down in generations - none of my extended family and their long long line has ever had it, but my youngest brother - THE ONLY PERSON in my extended family who has been born in Canada HAS AUTISM. Which is very freaky. I could be wrong about vaccines, but I am certain its something that they are exposed to (that might've been overlooked?) that results in autism. Time is my enemy right now, but I am patient ...
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium I'll give you some credit for your research, and you do have an upper hand in this argument. I will wait and see while the science on the issue of autism is getting upgraded. Once me and someone else finds any updates in the search of causes of autism that has some good evidence to it, I would love to see it / share it with you guys. But, I still believe that there's something that babies INTAKE at that critical young age that results in autism. Autism is not a genetic disorder, its not passed down in generations - none of my extended family and their long long line has ever had it, but my youngest brother - THE ONLY PERSON in my extended family who has been born in Canada HAS AUTISM. Which is very freaky. I could be wrong about vaccines, but I am certain its something that they are exposed to (that might've been overlooked?) that results in autism. Time is my enemy right now, but I am patient ... |
I just saw this post...
Paraphrasing what I wrote in the autism post, you have to weigh the increased range of diagnosis criteria for autism today vs. what it was 10 or 20 years ago. If you look at 100 people that would be considered autistic to some degree today, but 20 years ago only 10 of those people would have been diagnosed as autistic, simply due to narrower diagnostic criteria, you don't have a 100% increase in autism, you have a 100% increase in the diagnosis of autism. Big difference.
Patient autonomy is a great thing, and it truly is the emphasis in modern medicine. I think having an enthusiastic, well-educated patient is great for both themselves and the doctor, regardless of what others may say. However, there is a limit. When people begin to look for evidence of pathology or treatment benefits using emotion, biased statistics and personal experience, it becomes frustrating for the doctor and dangerous for the patient.
In the end though, it is the patient's choice. If you'd rather opt out of a procedure or medication because your own research tells you it might be bad, even though the medical community says that it's safe and effective, don't do it.
(I'd also add that regardless of how little time you think your doctor has to keep up with medical journals and research, I can guarantee that a great deal of their "free time" is in doing just that. It's required via continuing education responsibilities, recertification examination and to remain competent with new technology and treatment options. Each specialty, along with hospitals, release clinical guidelines based on current evidence that doctors are also expected to follow to a degree. In short, doctors do keep themselves knowledgeable of possible health issues with current treatments.)
Just wanted to add at least one reference to my last post...
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/289/1/49
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| Debate continues about whether the overall prevalence of autism has increased or whether past rates underestimated true prevalence.1, 3-4 This debate is difficult to resolve retrospectively. In the United States, the increase in the number of individuals receiving services for autism22-23 may be attributed to several factors. Changes in diagnostic criteria have expanded the concept of autism to a spectrum of disorders.1, 37-38 Heightened public awareness of autism also has had an effect, due in large part to efforts of parent and advocacy groups, availability of more medical and educational resources, increased media coverage of affected children and families, and more training and information for physicians, psychologists, and other service providers.2, 5, 39-40 Also, in 1991, the US Department of Education added autism as a category for special education services, possibly leading to increases in the number of children classified with autism because of the availability of these services. The mandate for early intervention services for children with DDs, including autism, also has contributed to greater attention being placed on autism. At the same time, studies are suggesting that some children with autism respond well to early, intense educational intervention.40 The combined influence of these factors has probably contributed to the identification of more individuals with autism. However, it remains unclear whether specific environmental, 42-43 immunologic,44 genetic,45 or unidentified factors also have contributed to these higher reported prevalence rates. |
Here's a headscratcher ...
http://autism.about.com/gi/dynamic/...80424120953.htm
http://autism.about.com/od/causesof...uryemission.htm
Autism Risk Linked To Distance From Power Plants, Other Mercury-releasing Sources
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ScienceDaily (Apr. 25, 2008) � How do mercury emissions affect pregnant mothers, the unborn and toddlers? Do the level of emissions impact autism rates? Does it matter whether a mercury-emitting source is 10 miles away from families versus 20 miles? Is the risk of autism greater for children who live closer to the pollution source?
A newly published study of Texas school district data and industrial mercury-release data, conducted by researchers at The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio, indeed shows a statistically significant link between pounds of industrial release of mercury and increased autism rates. It also shows�for the first time in scientific literature�a statistically significant association between autism risk and distance from the mercury source.
�This is not a definitive study, but just one more that furthers the association between environmental mercury and autism,� said lead author Raymond F. Palmer, Ph.D., associate professor of family and community medicine at the UT Health Science Center San Antonio. The article is in the journal Health & Place.
Dr. Palmer, Stephen Blanchard, Ph.D., of Our Lady of the Lake University in San Antonio and Robert Wood of the UT Health Science Center found that community autism prevalence is reduced by 1 percent to 2 percent with each 10 miles of distance from the pollution source.
�This study was not designed to understand which individuals in the population are at risk due to mercury exposure,� Dr. Palmer said. �However, it does suggest generally that there is greater autism risk closer to the polluting source.�
The study should encourage further investigations designed to determine the multiple routes of mercury exposure. �The effects of persistent, low-dose exposure to mercury pollution, in addition to fish consumption, deserve attention,� Dr. Palmer said. �Ultimately, we will want to know who in the general population is at greatest risk based on genetic susceptibilities such as subtle deficits in the ability to detoxify heavy metals.�
The new study findings are consistent with a host of other studies that confirm higher amounts of mercury in plants, animals and humans the closer they are to the pollution source. The price on children may be the highest.
�We suspect low-dose exposures to various environmental toxicants, including mercury, that occur during critical windows of neural development among genetically susceptible children may increase the risk for developmental disorders such as autism,� the authors wrote.
Study highlights
Mercury-release data examined were from 39 coal-fired power plants and 56 industrial facilities in Texas.
Autism rates examined were from 1,040 Texas school districts.
For every 1,000 pounds of mercury released by all industrial sources in Texas into the environment in 1998, there was a corresponding 2.6 percent increase in autism rates in the Texas school districts in 2002.
For every 1,000 pounds of mercury released by Texas power plants in 1998, there was a corresponding 3.7 percent increase in autism rates in Texas school districts in 2002.
Autism prevalence diminished 1 percent to 2 percent for every 10 miles from the source.
Mercury exposure through fish consumption is well documented, but very little is known about exposure routes through air and ground water.
There is evidence that children and other developing organisms are more susceptible to neurobiological effects of mercury.
Implications
�We need to be concerned about global mercury emissions since a substantial proportion of mercury releases are spread around the world by long-range air and ocean currents,� Dr. Palmer said. �Steps for controlling and eliminating mercury pollution on a worldwide basis may be advantageous. This entails greener, non-mercury-polluting technologies.�
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) estimated environmental mercury releases at 158 million tons annually nationwide in the late 1990s, the time period studied by the Texas team. Most exposures were said to come from coal-fired utility plants (33 percent of exposures), municipal/medical waste incinerators (29 percent) and commercial/industrial boilers (18 percent). Cement plants also release mercury.
With the enactment of clean air legislation and other measures, mercury deposition into the environment is decreasing slightly.
Limitations
Dr. Palmer and his colleagues pointed out the study did not reflect the true community prevalence rates of autism because children younger than school age are not counted in the Texas Education Agency data system. The 1:500 autism rates in the study are lower than the 1:150 autism rates in recent reports of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Furthermore, the authors note that distance was not calculated from individual homes to the pollution source but from central points in school districts that varied widely in area.
Data sources
Data for environmentally released mercury were from the United States Environmental Protection Agency Toxics Release Inventory. Data for releases by coal-fired power plants came from the same inventory and from the Texas Commission for Environmental Quality. Data for school district autism came from the Texas Education Agency.
Journal reference: Palmer, R.F., et al., Proximity to point sources of environmental mercury release as a predictor of autism prevalence. Health & Place (2008), doi:10.1016/j.healthplace.2008.02.001.
Adapted from materials provided by University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio.
http://www.thespec.com/article/367418
American families will make case for a vaccine link to autism in children
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May 11, 2008
Kevin Freking, The Associated Press--
The Canadian Press, 2008
WASHINGTON - Families claiming that a mercury-based preservative in vaccines triggers autism will challenge mainstream medicine Monday as they take their case to a federal court.
They seek vindication and financial redress from a government fund that helps people injured by shots.
Two 10-year-old boys from Portland, Ore., will serve as test cases that determine whether the children and their families in similar situations should be compensated. Attorneys for the boys will attempt to show the boys were happy, healthy and developing normally. But, after being exposed to vaccines with thimerosal, they began to regress and show symptoms of autism.
Thimerosal has been removed in recent years from standard childhood vaccines, except flu vaccines that are not packaged in single-doses. The CDC says single-dose flu shots currently are available only in limited quantities. In 2004, a committee with the Institute of Medicine concluded there was no credible evidence that vaccines containing thimerosal caused autism.
Overall, nearly 4,900 families have filed claims with the U.S. Court of Claims alleging that vaccines caused autism and other neurological problems in their children. Lawyers for the families will present three different theories of how vaccines caused autism.
The Office of Special Masters of the claims court has instructed the plaintiffs to designate three test cases for each of the three theories - nine cases in all - and has assigned three special masters to handle the cases. Three cases in the first category were heard last year, but no decisions have been reached.
The two cases beginning Monday are among the three that focus on the second theory of causation: that thimerosal-containing vaccines alone cause autism. The plaintiff in the third case originally scheduled for hearing this month has withdrawn and lawyers and court officials are working to agree on substitute case.
Hearings in the test cases for the third theory of causation are scheduled in mid-September.
Lawyers for the petitioning families in the cases being heard this month say they will present evidence that injections with thimerosal deposit a form of mercury in the brain. That mercury excites certain brain cells that stay chronically activated trying to get rid of the intrusion.
"In some kids, there's enough of it that it sets off this chronic neuroinflammatory pattern that can lead to regressive autism," said attorney Mike Williams.
In the end, the families' attorneys hope to convince the special master hearing their case that thimerosal belongs on the list of causes for the inflammation that leads to regressive autism.
To win, the attorneys for the two boys, William Mead and Jordan King, will have to show that it"s more likely than not that the vaccine actually caused the injury.
Many members of the medical community are skeptical of the families' claims. They worry that the claims about the dangers of vaccines could cause some people to forgo vaccines that prevent illness.
"I think that what's so endearing to me about the anti-vaccine people is they're perfectly willing to go from one hypothesis to the next without a backward glance," said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Centre at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
Autism is a developmental disability that typically appears during the first three years of life and affects a person's ability to communicate and interact with others. Dr. Andrew Gerber, a psychiatrist, said that medical experts don't have a comprehensive understanding of what causes autism, but they do know there is a strong hereditary component.
Toxins from the environment could play a role, but currently, data does not support that they do, Gerber said.
Arguments are scheduled to go on throughout the month. A final decision could take several more months. Claims that are successful would result in compensation taking into account lost earnings after age 18 and up to $250,000 for pain and suffering.
The families or the federal government can also appeal the decision of the special master to the Court of Federal Claims or to a federal appeals court.
The court website says more than 12,500 claims have been filed since creation of the program in 1987, including more than 5,300 autism cases, and that more than $1.7 billion has been paid in claims. It says there is now more than $2.7 billion a trust fund supported by an excise tax on each dose of vaccine covered by the program.
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