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Originally posted by beats and beeps well all the female artists im thinking of dont make a dollar from their music, so I have no reason to beleive they would do it for any other reason. also when they talk about making it they have a passion for the shit just like anybody else.

Oh, yeah, well that may have a lot to do with generational differences arising - women seem more motivated now than ever - not to necessarily make money, but to do what they enjoy doing in life. The current state of things is always an amalgam of influences from the past and from numerous societal variables not limited to class, social standing, location, gender, politics, etc... I know this doesn't say a whole lot in itself, but in the west, people are very much motivated to seek pleasurable activities as professions. And since we are well past the dawn of feminism, females can feel empowered to do what they like if they so choose - but interestingly enough, males, too. Women aren't the only ones constricted by social duty at times.

Seems to me that the atomic family is all broken up in some parts of the world and people, regardless of sex and gender, are free to pursue their interests. So yeah, you're right - it can be a very universal set of values.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps I dont think it is sex based to any large extent really...well maybe in the pop scene.

Just conditioning.

cool thread.

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Originally posted by Project-K Women aren't creative because they're not encouraged to be. Just look at the kind of toys we give to children from an early age. Women get barbie dolls and ponies, the most superficial of things. They aren't encourage to think, just to assimilate an ideal. Boys are given video games and legos, both of which encourage them to think and be creative. Girls are given romance novels to read. Again - very superficial and unintelligent things. Boys are given science fiction and fantasy books, things that stimulate the imagination. How would the two turn out if you switched them around and gave the boy toys to the little girls? More creative and more imaginative women, that's what I think.

that's a good point, and certainly applies true when i compare my childhood activities to my adult creativity.

i'm very fortunate that as a child i spent a lot of time with Legos, "homework" books, educational computer/video games, piano lessons, art projects, band camp, origami, museums and hands-on science centers, etc... my mom was all about letting my brother and i experiment with our creative minds when we were kids, and it definitely had a huge impact on us.

sure, i had some girly toys too, but most of the time i was trying to figure out how to cut their hair or arrange their outfits, or destroying them with huge rocks that i could barely lift, just so that i could pretend they were in an accident and then id have to figure out what needed to be fixed.

now, i'm not some super-successful or insanely-wealthy creative type, but i'm doing what i love and it makes me happy. i work full-time as a graphic artist (i don't get paid for my Tiesto chops though, lol) and music and DJing is a hobby of mine. i guess if i had the drive and determination to go further with my skills/talents, i could make more money, but that's not so important to me right now. it's nice to be able to do what you love without having to work too hard at it.

???? i know i'm a pretty creative person and it seems that creativity seems to balance. i think men tend to be more creatve in numbers and structure and females more creative in literal things... to be general.

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Originally posted by bas lol Also...here:

lololol

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Originally posted by l�cid cool thread. that's a good point, and certainly applies true when i compare my childhood activities to my adult creativity. i'm very fortunate that as a child i spent a lot of time with Legos, "homework" books, educational computer/video games, piano lessons, art projects, band camp, origami, museums and hands-on science centers, etc... my mom was all about letting my brother and i experiment with our creative minds when we were kids, and it definitely had a huge impact on us. sure, i had some girly toys too, but most of the time i was trying to figure out how to cut their hair or arrange their outfits, or destroying them with huge rocks that i could barely lift, just so that i could pretend they were in an accident and then id have to figure out what needed to be fixed.

hahah plus 1 as usual

and ya i was always outside climbing trees and inventing weird contraptions for catching tadpoles and shit like that, or had my face burried in a calvin & hobbes book or glued to the tv playing sega. i was a major tomboy. once i made something out of that little green wirey basket that strawberries used to come in with a baggy, a stick and a rubberband. lol my mom was like, "woah, u made that?"

it totally worked too.

and i used to cut my barbies' hair too and get more involved w/ the clothes and outfits as well. lol

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Originally posted by beats and beeps I don't give a fuck most of them are stronger than me anyways. Thats not very important now.

LMFAO get in the gym

no wonder you and i get along so well, Jamie.

i was such a tomboy when i was younger that i REFUSED to wear anything that came in really girly colors. i only started liking the color pink a few years ago, and now it's one of my favorites because i feel like i missed out on so much cool pink stuff, lol.

oh and is the original question about whether or not females care about the fact that it's still pretty much a man's world?


if so, then no. it doesn't really bother me because i'm doing what i want to do and slowly getting a college degree and i'm confident i'll be successful in a very male dominated industry.

i have a strong feminine to me despite still being a ball busting tomboy and as long as i end up with a man who treats me nice, i don't mind doing laundry and blow jobs hahah

i'm content with my role in society and who i am as an individual, as opposed to who i am as a "woman".

if that makes any sense.

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Originally posted by l�cid no wonder you and i get along so well. i was such a tomboy when i was younger that i REFUSED to wear anything that came in really girly colors. i only started liking the color pink a few years ago, and now it's one of my favorites because i feel like i missed out on so much cool pink stuff, lol.

Dude don�t even make me bust out my kid pictures. lol I looked like a little boy.

Even my todler pictures...you seriously can't tell if I'm a boy or girl. I was like, "the fuck mom!? u dressed me like a damn boy"

Green overalls n crap. hahaha

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Originally posted by Slylee Dude don�t even make me bust out my kid pictures. lol I looked like a little boy. Even my todler pictures...you seriously can't tell if I'm a boy or girl. I was like, "the fuck mom!? u dressed me like a damn boy" Green overalls n crap. hahaha

yeah my parents didnt have a ton of money when i was younger (and if they did, they weren't the type of people to spend it on fashionable children's clothing that's only going to fit for a few months), so we got a lot of hand-me-downs from family friends. anyway there was this kid who came from a pretty wealthy Italian family that was one of my dad's clients, and my brother and i used to fight over who got what when we got bags of his old clothes.

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Originally posted by l�cid (i don't get paid for my Tiesto chops though, lol)

We need to fix this

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Originally posted by Lilith We need to fix this

a few hearty LOL's and a bit of e-fame is well enough payment for me!

I did the typical boy stuff...

Watched TMNT, Transformers, G.I. Joe, Thundercats, etc... I had all the action figures also. And yes, I would simulate fighting scenes with them.

I had Atari, Nintendo, Gameboy, SNES, N64, Playstation - I was a video game junkie.

Finally, I lived in the schoolyard and park running around like a kid after 20 red bulls.

so was i right about what the thread starter was asking?

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Originally posted by l�cid a few hearty LOL's and a bit of e-fame is well enough payment for me!

hehe, apparently the trainwreck express one I did got spammed all over myspace by Narcism to everyone she thought was a trance-weenie

like i said before, humans are still animals and as such, the males are dominant as in every other mammal species.

you can cover it up with as much culture and society as you want, but in the end we're still governed by our animal nature.

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Originally posted by kadomony like i said before, humans are still animals and as such, the males are dominant as in every other mammal species. you can cover it up with as much culture and society as you want, but in the end we're still governed by our animal nature.

rawr?

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Originally posted by beats and beeps I think maybe the ones that don't want to get married and shit (well not right away at least) feel pressured to automatically take on a major corporate/academic roll. Also female djs suck. Just as bad as male ones. END THE DJ. see how poorly she cues that record? and how she pretends to be really working those eqs and cutting the bass on the track...well trance djs do that too.

That track is f***ing horrible, and its taking her forever to cue. No wonder why the scene is dying.

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Originally posted by StanVoid rawr?

kekekekek :3

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Originally posted by beats and beeps ok, so this is something that i has crossed my mind various times...maybe i already made a thread about it but i forget. this isnt troll shit im serious. I'd really like some feedback cuz im totally lost as to how this stuff works. ok, so I personally think that girls are pretty much equal to dudes...if anything judging by highschool girls are smarter. Uh physically...I don't give a fuck most of them are stronger than me anyways. Thats not very important now. so why is it that males still dominate so much stuff. Like why are the best or most "innovative" chefs/clothing designers/interior designers/makup artists or whatever still dudes. Why is it that even in industries where most of the people interested in it, and trained in it are totally women, but men are still at the top? Is this just the whole male bias thing in the corporate world? Well forget that then...let me look at something else. Why does it seem like to some extent guys tend to have a higher creativity ratio or something...like not as many girls produce, or invent and shit like that...maybe they are equally involved in like drama and visual arts and shit...and dance...but yeah guys still are at the top of those too. Don't get me wrong I know they have done mad things and everything, but like for every 10 dudes that write music how many girls do you think do? Whats weird is that some girls actually are like...uh stereotypical girls...like the kind that would make a liberal feminist want to throw up, and they like it that way...they have no desire to break that. They are cool with being objects or whatever. I guess i have to remember that the majority of males are lame too, but cool girls who are interested in cool shit seem even rarer...I've seen like 2 girls on the internets who know how to tweak the shit out of proper synthesizers or some shit like that. Yeah I understand that girls are gonna have different interests...but still. I guess I don't buy into that oh no girls arent gonna like synthesizers and outer space, because i'm a boy and I like dresses and flowers. I dont know exactly what my question is...maybe like do you guys think these things are all due to conditioning? or is it like a physical/instict thing. Like I said I'm not trolling, seriously, if i said anything that offends girls (or dudes) it was unintentional. Oh yeah and I don't wanna google this shit, because its all fucking crazy ass extremist literature on it. inb4tldr

cause the women are all too busy cooking and cleaning?

zzzzzing!

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Originally posted by beats and beeps I think maybe the ones that don't want to get married and shit (well not right away at least) feel pressured to automatically take on a major corporate/academic roll. Also female djs suck. Just as bad as male ones. END THE DJ. see how poorly she cues that record? and how she pretends to be really working those eqs and cutting the bass on the track...well trance djs do that too.

i thought something was going to happen in this video..

nothing happened

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Originally posted by Slylee oh and is the original question about whether or not females care about the fact that it's still pretty much a man's world? if so, then no. it doesn't really bother me because i'm doing what i want to do and slowly getting a college degree and i'm confident i'll be successful in a very male dominated industry. i have a strong feminine to me despite still being a ball busting tomboy and as long as i end up with a man who treats me nice, i don't mind doing laundry and blow jobs hahah i'm content with my role in society and who i am as an individual, as opposed to who i am as a "woman". if that makes any sense.

::claps:: thank you! almost exactly what i wanted to say.

for me its even weirder because i am a double major/double degree seeking... computer science + computer engineering. I am surrounded by males in school and in the computer lab. I don't have a problem showing that girls can build + program a computer (having a brain) and actually maintain two distinct eyebrows + while not rocking a pocket protector (feminine side).

The other piece no one has really touched upon is the thought of feminity vs. power. That you can not be both strong and feminine. Either you are the prom queen or the drama/art/band/math geek. That these are two mutually exclusive roles. I think that is the bigger problem to address. It will be very hard to eradicate the notion of beauty queen from a girl's head. As long as there is some object of affection, you are going to want to be the pretty one he picks. What you can change however is the idea that you can both "get the guy" and "get the grade"...

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Originally posted by Slylee i was a major tomboy.

No you weren't, you were just being you.

Go, cut off your cock. Seriously. Granted, I know some smart girls, but they all have various qualities that negate their intelligence. In my experience, most, if not all of them lack any sense of logic, are stubborn and posses a superiority complex. There's a reason, why males are males, and females are females. Therefore, they must have their respective roles in the society. I'm not saying that one sex is superior to the other, but you can't have similar expectations for both.

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